[I. Chairperson’s Opening Remarks]
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THE HISTORICAL LANDMARKS COMMISSION. THAT THEY GIVE YOU REPORTS. 246 AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A DEFENDER. WE CAN START WITH THE ROLL CALL. IF YOU DON'T MIND ME SAYING YOUR NAME. ZULIMA. ESCOBIDO. LES MCMAHON. VERNA. RUTHERFORD. ROOSEVELT. ROOSEVELT. PATRICK.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PRESS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MISS. COULD YOU SAY YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT WE DO HAVE A FULL. PROVE. THERE IS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS. BUT BEFORE WE BEGIN, I DO WANT TO FIRST OF ALL SAY WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME. I AM THE SENIOR PLANNER, ARIES MALO, AND THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WORKING WITH THIS COMMISSION. SO IF YOU ALL DON'T MIND, WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE THIS OUT TOGETHER. WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS SESSION TOGETHER. OKAY. I DID PROVIDE SOME SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO CHOOSE CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR ON TODAY. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A MINUTE SINCE WE HAVE MET, SO IT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT THAT WE ESTABLISH THAT LEADERSHIP FIRST. SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR MOTIONS FOR CHAIR AND CO CHAIR, I NOMINATE. I NOMINATE LES MCMAHON AS CHAIRMAN. I SECOND. AND I ALSO NOMINATE ZULIMA AS CO-CHAIR AND I SECOND THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I. I. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ESTABLISHED OUR CHAIR AND CO CHAIR. YES, SIR.
ONE SECONDED THE MOTION. OH. MR. MCMAHON. ZULIMA. ESCOBIDO. OKAY. I DID, MISS RUTHERFORD.
RUTHERFORD. OKAY. AND NEW BUSINESS. WE HAVE ONE ITEM. H IS 26-01. A CERTIFICATE OF
[VI. NEW BUSINESS - PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS (INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION)]
APPROPRIATENESS REQUESTED FOR 0.17 ACRE OF LAND. LOT FIVE. BLEDSOE TO ADDITION. CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 227 BLEDSOE PLACE, JC PARCEL NUMBER 9327 AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS RECORD IS TO ALLOW RECONSTRUCTION OF A RESIDENCE IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND ONCE AGAIN, BOARD MEMBERS. I DID PROVIDE SOME SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. SO THE FIRST SHEET THAT YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS THE MEETING GUIDE AND MOTIONS REFERENCE. AND I'LL GO THROUGH THIS BRIEFLY, OUR CHAIR AND OR CO-CHAIR, WHO'S EVER IN CHARGE OF THE MEETING AT THE TIME. YOU CAN JUST FOLLOW THIS FLOW THAT I CREATED FOR YOU. I FELT LIKE THIS WOULD BE AN EASIER WAY TO KIND OF CONDUCT THE MEETING AND GET A GOOD FLOW GOING. AND IT ALSO RIGHT NEXT TO MEETING FLOW SAYS COMMISSION ACTIONS. IF YOU WISH TO APPROVE AN ITEM OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, DENY TABLE, CONTINUE, WITHDRAW, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO MAKE THOSE MOTIONS AND ACTIONS, AND IT TELLS YOU RIGHT NEXT TO IT WHEN TO USE OKAY. AND IT GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE. OKAY. I DID REFERENCE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER FOR THAT. AND ON OUR SECOND SHEET, I DID PRINT OUT SECTION THREE OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS AGAIN IN GRAPHIC FORM TO GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE ARE TRULY HERE TO MAKE A DECISION ON. WE ARE HERE TO FOCUS ON THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE ORDINANCE, AND THE PROPERTIES OWNERS PROJECT. BASED ON WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS WE CAN AND CANNOT DO. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. SO FOR YOUR REFERENCE, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THESE SHEETS AND GET ANY INFORMATION YOU NEED WHEN MAKING YOUR DECISION. WHILE WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISION. AND OF COURSE, YOU ALL MAY KNOW THAT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS OUR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NON DISTRICT. I DID PRINT OUT A SHEET THAT DISCUSSES AND BREAKS DOWN OUR PD9, AND I'LL JUST GO OVER QUICKLY BEFORE WE GET TO THE CASE SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HERE AND THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING TODAY. OKAY. WHAT IS THE PD9? IT'S PORT ARTHUR'S LANDMARK DISTRICT, ESTABLISHED TO PRESERVE THE ARCHITECTURAL, HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA WHILE ALLOWING COMPATIBLE RESIDENTIAL, EDUCATIONAL, INSTITUTIONAL AND LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES. THE[00:05:05]
PERMITTED USES BY RIGHT IN THE PD9, ALL USES PERMITTED WITHIN THE TWO FAMILY DISTRICT. WHICH IS WHY OUR PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE ON TODAY. EXAMPLES INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, DUPLEXES AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY USES. ADDITIONAL PERMITTED USES WITHIN DESIGNATED INSTITUTIONAL AREAS. WE HAVE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, LIBRARIES, ART GALLERIES, MUSEUMS, CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS, PHILANTHROPIC INSTITUTIONS, APARTMENTS AND DORMITORIES, LODGES AND FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS, AND THOSE REQUIRING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FROM CITY COUNCIL. THEY ARE LOCATED IN BLOCKS 161 THROUGH 165 OF OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT, AND THOSE THAT REQUIRE AN SUP WILL BE AN ART GALLERY, ANTIQUE SHOP, BOUTIQUE SHOP, RESTAURANT, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USE AND. AS OF 2024, WE DID AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WITH AN SUP IN BLOCKS 161 AND 165. YOU MAY KNOW THAT THEY TOOK ONE OF THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND TURNED IT INTO A LAW OFFICE. THAT IS, WHEN WE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE OFFICE THERE. OKAY.HISTORICAL PRESERVATION STANDARDS. NO CONSTRUCTION OR REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING STRUCTURES SHALL BE PERMITTED THAT WILL BE ADVERSE, THAT WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, HISTORICAL CHARACTER OR CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT.
COMPATIBLE DESIGN MATTERS WON. NUMBER ONE. GENERAL QUALITY OF THE BLOCK. OPEN LANDSCAPE, FRONT YARDS. PRESERVATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. CONSISTENT STREETSCAPE APPEARANCE. NUMBER TWO BUILD FORM. WHAT'S COMPATIBLE? THE HEIGHT. THE WIDTH. THE ROOF DESIGN. PORCHES, FACADES, AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THREE HARMONY OF BUILDING TREATMENT. WHAT'S COMPATIBLE COLORS, MATERIALS, EXTERIOR DESIGN, WINDOW PLACEMENT, DOOR PLACEMENT AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. ALSO COMMISSIONERS. I DID BRING A COPY OF THE PLANS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. THEY ARE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF MR. PETRIE. FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE.
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD IS 25FT. THE MINIMUM REAR TEN FEET. THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX 50FT AND MULTIFAMILY 60FT. IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE 50FT. HEIGHT STANDARDS, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, MAXIMUM TWO AND A HALF STORIES AND INSTITUTIONAL INSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURES UP TO SIX STORIES. ADDITIONAL SETBACKS WILL APPLY FOR BUILDINGS EXCEEDING TWO STORIES, AND THAT DOESN'T COUNT IN THIS CASE, PARKING REQUIREMENTS. AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIRED. LANDSCAPING MAY BE REQUIRED, AND WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE.
SCREENING MAY BE REQUIRED, LIGHTING MAY BE REQUIRED. FENCE STANDARDS NO FENCE OR WALL MAY BE ERECTED IN FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. NEW FENCES AND WALLS MUST COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE CITY STANDARDS. AND OF COURSE, OF COURSE, NOISE STANDARDS. ALL USES COMPLY WITH RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT NOISE STANDARDS. SO OUR JOB TODAY, NUMBER ONE, MEET WITH PLANNING STAFF. AND WE DID MEET WITH MR. LONG. HE SUBMITTED HIS PLANS. AND HERE WE ARE TODAY ON NUMBER THREE. IF YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW PROCESS, WE ARE AT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THEY USED THE PHONE BECAUSE WE HEAR A LOT OF NOISE COMING FROM MISS HOLMES. COULD YOU MUTE YOUR PHONE? BUT THERE WAS A LITTLE NOISE GOING ON. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. OKAY.
POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO MUTE YOUR PHONE? YOU CAN HEAR THE BACKGROUND NOISE IN YOUR HOME.
IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW WHERE THERE'S NO NOISE. OKAY? IT'S LIKE IT'S PICKING UP STATIC OR SOMETHING, BUT LET'S JUST TRY IT, OKAY? A LITTLE BIT LONGER. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING ON. I'M
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IN A ROOM WHERE NOTHING SAID. NO WORRIES. I MAY HAVE MY LITTLE ROUGH VOICE. MAYBE. OKAY, SO CASE NUMBER H26-01. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RICHARD LONG. THE SURVEYOR IS OASIS ENGINEERING LLC. AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, THE PLANS ARE LOCATED RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 227 BLEDSOE PLACE, JC PARCEL NUMBER 9327. THE REQUEST TYPE IS AN APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN BLEDSOE PLACE. THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST. THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER GRANTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 227 BLEDSOE PLACE, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. TOTAL ACREAGE .17 ACRE OF LAND. THE CURRENT ZONING IS IN THE PD NINE AND THAT IS OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE RECONSTRUCTION OF A RESIDENCE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING, THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND ZONING ON OR AROUND MAY 1ST, 2026. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW.RECONSTRUCTION OF A RESIDENCE IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT. DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES RECOGNIZE THAT CONTEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION MAY BE APPROPRIATE WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMPLIES WITH ACCEPTED PRESERVATION STANDARDS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH GUIDANCE ESTABLISHED BY TEXAS HISTORICAL LAND COMMISSION, HISTORICAL COMMISSION, SORRY, AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT SHOULD BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM HISTORIC STRUCTURES WHILE REMAINING COMPATIBLE WITH DISTRICT'S HISTORIC CONTEXTS. DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, SCALE, AND ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER. THE GENERAL COMPATIBILITY CONTAINER BASED RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO COMPLEMENT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT ATTEMPTING TO REPLICATE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE IN A FALSE, MISLEADING MANNER. REFLECTS COMPATIBLE BUILDING SCALE, MASSING ORIENTATION, SETBACKS, AND PROPORTIONS COMMONLY FOUND WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICT REINFORCED THE ESTABLISHED RHYTHM OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE STREET THROUGH COMPATIBLE SPACING, FRONTAGE PATTERNS, AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGN FEATURES, AND MAINTAIN RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. AND THEN THERE'S MORE INFORMATION ON THE EXTERIOR, THE SCALE AND MASSING, THE WINDOWS, DOORS AND FENESTRATION, WHICH I HAVE INCLUDED IN THE GRAPHIC. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND IT'S ALSO IN YOUR ORDINANCE.
AND ON THURSDAY, MAY 7TH, 2026, NINE NOTICES RIGHT NOW ON ONE FOUR. WHERE IT SAYS PUBLIC NOTICE. ON THURSDAY, MAY 7TH, 2026, NINE NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWSPAPER A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION. PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED FOR TODAY, JUNE 4TH, 2026. AND THAT IS ALL COMMISSIONERS. AND WE DO HAVE SOME PHOTOS AVAILABLE. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK IN THE BACK OF YOUR AGENDA AND THERE IS A RENDERING AND ALSO THE PROPERTY OWNER, HE DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT HE WANTS TO SHOW YOU ALL. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. CAN YOU SEE THAT FOR A MINUTE? CAN Y'ALL SEE THIS? OKAY, OKAY. CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS? WE CAN LOOK LIKE, YEAH, THEY CAN LOOK LIKE INSTEAD OF LOOKING LIKE THAT. SO WOULD IT BE A DUPLEX? YEAH.
IT'S A HISTORICAL SOCIETY, I DON'T THINK. WHAT DO YOU THINK? BUT IT STILL LOOKS LIKE. YEAH, YEAH. IT JUST. I GUESS IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAD TO MEET THE CODE AND GET THE ELEVATION UP.
I. WAS ZONED REQUIRED TO BE BEHIND THAT. RECOMMENDATION OF THE GEO ENGINEERING FOR FLOOD WITH THE SEE THAT'S WHAT. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. YEAH. YEAH. BUT WHAT BUT WHAT THEY COULD DO IS THEY CAN PUT OKAY. LIKE I'VE DONE IT YEARS AGO. SO ALL THIS STUFF YOU'RE READING, ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT Y'ALL GOT, WHY DIDN'T I GET THIS INFORMATION ON THERE? I WENT TO APPLY FOR MY PERMIT. THIS IS THE MEETING. YOU CAN'T WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS FIRST. OF COURSE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT. NO, NO, NO, NO FIT IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THE
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EXTERIOR. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD ABOUT. PROBABLY SHOULD BE PLANTED WITH SOMETHING TO ME. PARTY PLANT. YEAH, YEAH. ALL OF THIS GUYS. YEAH. IT LOOKS LIKE A HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL. DOESN'T MATTER. PROBABLY HORIZONTAL BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE. INFORMATION. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING HORIZONTALLY. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHY HE DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS THE STANDARDS. IT WAS A LITTLE HIGHER PITCH. CORRECT. TIMBER FRAME KIND OF LIKE NOW WHAT ABOUT A 12 PITCH THAT. YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT THREE THREE AND A HALF. PROBABLY ABOUT A FOUR. IT'S THAT MUCH. YEAH. BUT DEFINITELY.OKAY. DETAILED. THE WINDOWS EVERYTHING IS THE SAME ACCORDING TO DESIGN STANDARDS.
REALLY NOT A HISTORICAL CHARACTER. BECAUSE ALL THE DOORS LIKE THE SHUTTERS. YEAH.
BUT THE ONE YOU SHOULD PROBABLY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION, I TOLD YOU THAT YOU HAVE COMMISSIONERS. COULD YOU ALL SPEAK IN THE MIC? THAT DON'T LOOK. IS THIS GOING TO BE ON OVER AN ACRE THE LOT? NO, IT'S NOT AN ACRE. IT'S .17 ACRE OF LAND. THE PICTURES ARE HERE. AND AGAIN, HE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE THE DUPLEXES THERE. OF COURSE, THEY DO ENCOURAGE THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT OF COURSE WITH THE STIPULATIONS AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE AND THE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES GO. THE WAY YOU ALL ARE LOOKING. I JUST WANT TO GO WITH THE COMMISSION'S ROLE. THE COMMISSION IS NOT DECIDING WHETHER SHIPPING CONTAINERS ARE ATTRACTIVE, WHETHER COMMISSIONS WOULD PERSONALLY LIVE THERE, WHETHER YOU LIKE MODERN ARCHITECTURE, WHETHER YOU SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THE APPLICANT. THE COMMISSION IS DECIDING WHETHER THE PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE, WHETHER IT COMPLIES WITH ADOPTED DESIGN STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES THAT ARE IN THIS ORDINANCE, WHETHER IT PRESERVES HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT, WHETHER IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WHETHER ANY CONDITIONS ARE NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE. SO THAT IS THE GOAL FOR TODAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION GUIDE, I'VE ALSO INCLUDED IN NUMBER THREE THE DESIGN RUBRIC, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. OKAY. AND THE QUESTIONS TO FOCUS ON NUMBER TWO. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FOCUS ON THE FACTS FOR SURE AND NOT OPINIONS. JUST TO SAVE TIME.
STARTING WITH THE ROOF AND COMING DOWN THE ROOF WAS THE STANDARDS FOR THE ROOF. IS IT ALL IN YOUR PRESENTATION? THE ROOF AND STUFF? OKAY. THE STANDARDS FOR THE ROOF, IT. LET ME START ON PAGE 83. WAIT, LET ME SEE. OKAY, LET US SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS VOLUME ON THAT PHONE TURNED UP A LITTLE BIT. FOR THE ROOF. HOLD ON. THAT'S THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THERE'S ONE SECTION THAT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO ROOFS ON PAGE 115. YES, MISS HOLMES, YOU MAY SPEAK. AND. AND FROM THERE ON WE CAN DISCUSS IT BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN BE AND NOT BE DISCUSSED. ANYWAY, I HAVE PICTURES, BUT WHEN YOU FIRST TURN IN THERE, IT'S LIKE AN ESPLANADE IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S A HORSESHOE, AND YOU JUST GO AROUND THE BACK AND TURN AND COME RIGHT BACK OUT AGAIN ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO IT'S A VERY NICE SETUP. NOW THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE RIGHT FACES LAKESHORE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF THE BLEDSOE ADDITION, I DON'T KNOW. BUT BEHIND THAT IS A TRAILER. SOMEONE'S LIVING IN. AND THEN THERE'S ASSORTED LOOKS LIKE TENTS PEOPLE MAYBE LIVING IN. THERE'S A HOUSE AT THE VERY END ON THE RIGHT SIDE. I SOLD THAT TO A YOUNG GENTLEMAN SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I THINK HE'S STILL THERE BECAUSE IT'S STILL UNDER HIS NAME. YOU MAKE THE LOOP AND THERE'S ANOTHER HOME RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT ON
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THE OTHER SIDE. THAT ONE'S VERY WELL KEPT. AND THEN AFTER THAT IT GOES DOWNHILL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. THERE'S A NICE NEWER BUILDING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING. AND THEN THERE'S A BOXCAR ON ANOTHER LOT FROM A TRAIN. THERE'S A VACANT SPACE. THERE'S A TRUCK THAT HAS A SIGN THAT SAYS PRIVATE OR KEEP OUT OR WHATEVER. IT'S A CONSTRUCTION OFFICE. THAT'S EXACTLY, THAT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY WHERE IT SAYS, WHERE THE TRAILER, WHERE IT SAYS PRIVATE OFFICE. THAT'S THE PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTY. YES, THAT'S THIS PROPERTY. SO ALL THIS STUFF IS HIS PROPERTY? YES. WE TOOK IT. WELL, THE ONE WITH THE. BUT WE HAVE TO CAPTURE THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT. SO JB CAN YOU SCROLL? YEAH. LET'S GO BACK TO THE TOP AND COME DOWN. I NEED TO SEE ALL THAT. OKAY. THE ONE WITH THE RED CONTAINER. THAT'S A SHIPPING CONTAINER THAT I'VE JUST GOT MATERIAL IN FOR THIS PARTICULAR JOB. THAT'S IT'S NOT A PERMANENT FIXTURE. IT'S NOT STAYING THERE. WE'LL LET YOU SPEAK FOR THE RECORD WHEN THEY OPEN UP THE FLOOR. OKAY. THEY'RE JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION. YES, SIR. THAT'S THE PICTURE THAT'S UP THERE NOW. THAT'S THE LAW. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE WANT TO PUT HIM ON RECORD SO THAT HE CAN BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. ARE Y'ALL DONE WITH DISCUSSIONS? Y'ALL CAN ASK HIM ALL THE QUESTIONS Y'ALL WANT ONCE Y'ALL OPEN. ONCE WE OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR THOSE WHO ARE FOR THE PROJECT, HE CAN SPEAK FOR HIS PROJECT. OKAY. JB, CAN YOU SCROLL TO THE NEXT PICTURE? OLDER TWO STORY. OKAY. AT THE VERY POINT THAT YOU TURN AROUND, YOU CORRECT? WHO WAS THE ONE SCROLLING? JB I COULDN'T GO TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. THAT'S.YEAH. SO THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH WERE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES MISS HOLMES WAS DISCUSSING. AND THE ONE AT THE BOTTOM IS ANOTHER PROPERTY ADJACENT RIGHT NEXT TO THE VACANT LOT. OH, THAT'S YOUR HOUSE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU A WHOLE THE WHOLE AREA. YEAH. IT'S IT'S ANY OF THOSE ROOFS? IS ANY OF THOSE ROOFS NETTLE THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW? I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. ONE OF THE ROOFS IS A FLAT ROOF.
IT'S A FLAT ROOF. BUT IS THERE ANY ANY, ANY OF THEM. THAT'S. NO. YES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S GOT ON IT. I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR THOSE TO SPEAK FOR SO HE CAN COME DISCUSS. SO ANYONE SPEAKING FOR THE PROJECT, YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM, MAKE SURE YOU MENTION YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. OKAY. YOU CAN SPEAK FOR YOUR PROJECT. OKAY. I'M GOING TO SPEAK FIRST. THERE YOU GO. HEY, PAT, IT'S JEFFREY. MISS HOMES SOLD ME MY HOUSE 34 YEARS AGO. WOW. YEAH. I NOW OWN 320 AND 324 BLEDSOE PLACE. AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THESE NEW NEIGHBORS. I THINK THIS PROJECT THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN IS GOING TO BE SPECTACULAR. AND THE HOUSE THAT WAS ON THAT LOT.
TERMITES RIDDLED. AND THE CITY TORE DOWN ABOUT 22 YEARS AGO. AND SO IT'S BEEN TWO VACANT LOTS. AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THEM COME IN AND DO THIS. AND IT'S GOING TO ADD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY HOUSES IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT THAT ARE THESE NEW HOUSES, AND THEY'RE ALL NONDESCRIPT. THEY'RE PLAIN. THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OPULENT ADDITION TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IN REFERENCE TO THE FLAT ROOFED HOUSE ON THE ON OUR STREET, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN THE 1920S AND WAS A BEAUTIFUL MEDITERRANEAN SPANISH STYLE HOUSE WITH ALL THESE CURVES AND THIS BEAUTIFUL FIREPLACE WHERE YOU CAN STILL SEE THE FIREPLACE WITH ALL ITS ORNATE. BUT IN THE 1960S, THE OWNER AT THE TIME CUT ALL. IT WAS ALL. WHAT'S THE MATERIAL? THE STUCCO. IT WAS THE. THE WHOLE HOUSE WAS STUCCO AND THEY TOOK ALL THE BEAUTIFUL SPANISH ARCHITECTURE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE, CUT IT OFF AND CLAD IT IN THIS METAL CLADDING. AND NOW IT'S A SQUARE BOX ON THE STREET. IT'S YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T IT'S THE ONLY HOUSE ON
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THE WHOLE STREET THAT DOESN'T FIT. INSIDE THE HOUSE. IT STILL HAS ALL ITS 1920S CHARM, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE, IT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO THIS HOUSE THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING.SO I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 34 YEARS. AND THANK YOU, PAT, FOR SELLING ME THIS HOUSE. I LOVE IT, I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS, AND I REALLY WANT TO WISH RICHARD AND CINDY TO BE MY NEW NEIGHBORS. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO ADD TO THE MEETING TODAY. THANK YOU ALL. SURE. SO WHAT DOES THIS HOUSE ON? WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THE PHOTOS AND STUFF THAT'S IN MY PACKET, IT'S NOT A FLAT ROOF. IT LOOKS LIKE. NO, IT'S NOT A FLAT ROOF. IT DOES HAVE. SO THAT ROOF IS FOR COSMETICS IN. IN GENERAL, IT IS NOT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE OF THE CONTAINERS. AND THE REASON I DID THAT WAS TO CONTROL THE WATER RUNOFF, AS WELL AS TO KEEP THE. IT IS. SO. SO WHAT? IT'S GOT TWO PICTURES ON IT. YOU'VE GOT THE FRONT THAT COMES DOWN AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE BACK PART OF IT, WHICH IS A REGULAR A ROOF. IT'S LIKE A 212 PITCH ON AVERAGE IS WHAT THAT WILL BE. SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS. YEAH, JUST LOOKING AT IT, I'M LOOKING AT SUMMARIES OR, OR OR OR 412. AND SOME OF THEM LOOK LIKE THEY'RE 512. NO, THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL I'M LOOKING. YEAH. WELL I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE. THAT'S THE DESIGN STANDARDS. SO THAT'S GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE. OKAY. SEE, SO SO HERE'S THE PROBLEM I'VE GOT WITH THIS WHOLE THING. EXCUSE ME, SIR, LET ME HAVE THIS. THE DESIGN STANDARDS YOU HAVE ARE WHAT YOU'RE BASING YOUR DECISION OFF OF IN THAT BOOK.
YEAH. COMPARED TO HIS PROJECT, I'M LOOKING AT A TWO PICTURE COMPARED TO 4 OR 5 PEOPLE OR FLATS. AND I'M SAYING A TWO PICTURE IS WELL BELOW WHAT I'M SEEING IN THIS BOOK. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. OKAY. AND OKAY. AND I DON'T SEE ANY MEMORIES IN HERE. I SEE SHINGLE ROOFS, I SEE FLAT ROOFS. AND WHAT YOU NEED IS GOING TO BE BRIDE OR EITHER GOING TO BE TALL AND ROCK OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? I, I DON'T SEE ANY METAL OR. BUT HISTORICAL. I'M NOT SAYING RIGHT. I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU, BUT KEEP IN MIND, NEWER CONSTRUCTION AND NEWER DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALLOWED IN THE DISTRICT, EVEN IF YOU WANT TO PUT CONTINGENCY UPON THEM. ON YOUR HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION GUIDE. IF YOU GO TO NUMBER NINE, OKAY, HERE, IT'S ON YOUR SHEET. HERE YOU RIGHT HERE CONTAIN A B. YEAH, THEY ARE ALLOWED. SO WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO, IF THE ROOF ISN'T UP TO PAR OR WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE PER THE DESIGN STANDARDS, WE CAN TELL THEM THE TYPE OF ROOF HE CAN USE OR THE TYPE HOW OR HOW HIS ROOF CAN LOOK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THIS WILL HELP A LOT. OKAY, OKAY. SO. THANK YOU. YEAH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PAPERS.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WHAT IS WHERE. SO THANK YOU. AND PLEASE BE PATIENT BECAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST DAY ON HERE. ME TOO. YEAH. ALL OF US, I UNDERSTAND. AND MY FIRST DAY ON THIS BOARD. SO SO HERE IS, IS MY ISSUE WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. THE INFORMATION THAT Y'ALL ARE BEING GIVEN, I'VE NEVER BEEN GIVEN THAT. I FOUND OUT AFTER MY PLANS WERE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, THEY WERE APPROVED. AND THEN I WAS TOLD, BUT YET I HAVE TO COME BEFORE A HISTORICAL COMMISSION WITH ALL OF THESE GUIDELINES THAT Y'ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
IF I'D BEEN GIVEN THESE SAME GUIDELINES, I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A DESIGN THAT FIT THOSE GUIDELINES. BUT YOU CAN'T COME UP HERE TODAY AND TELL ME, WE'VE GOT THIS AND THIS AND THIS, AND THIS IS ALL OF OUR GUIDELINES, AND I'M SITTING OVER HERE. WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. AS MY DESIGN, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS PROJECT.
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AND THEN FOR THEM TO COME UP AND SAY, OH NO, WE'VE GOT THIS PACKAGE OF RULES THAT'S GOT TO BE GONE BY. YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME THAT BEFORE I SPENT $10,000 ON ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING PLANS. I, I WANT TO COMMENT, I FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR PAIN. I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT AS A BUSINESSMAN MYSELF. OKAY, I, I'M TALKING TO WHEN I BUILT MY COMPANY PLANT, I WAS GETTING STUFF IN THE CITY AND I HAD TO GO BACK AND CHANGE IT, BUT I STILL HAD TO BE WITH THEM. THEY DIDN'T GIVE IT TO ME IN THE BEGINNING. I UNDERSTAND THAT, LIKE I SAID, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, EVEN THOUGH. AND THIS IS JUST MY. EXPERIENCE, OKAY, IS WE STILL GOT NOT ONLY RULES IN THE CITY, WE GOT RULES THAT THE STATE IS BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.SO WE STILL GOT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. I KNOW IT'S I KNOW YOU WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND THIS BOARD WANT TO WORK WITH YOU. OKAY. BUT WE CAN'T MAKE OUR DECISION IF WE VIOLATING THE LAW AND THE POLICIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. I PERSONALLY LIKE. THIS TYPE OF BUILDING STRUCTURE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. ME PERSONALLY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE. CORRECT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE THING. I LIVED IN NEW ORLEANS FOR TEN YEARS.
THEY'VE GOT A PUBLIC ACCESS CHANNEL THAT YOU CAN WATCH. IT'S GOT ALL THEIR MEETINGS ON IT. I USED TO LIVE IN FRONT OF THE TV AND WATCH THE HISTORICAL MEETINGS, WATCH CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS READILY, READILY AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY WHO IS DOING ANY KIND OF HISTORICAL PROJECT IN NEW ORLEANS. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION SHOULD ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY AND ANYBODY WHO IS DOING THE PROJECT HERE IN PORT ARTHUR, INSTEAD OF COMING BACK TO THEM AFTER THEY'VE FINISHED THIS AND WENT THIS FAR, DON'T COME BACK AND THEN SAY, OH, YEAH, WELL, WE GOT ALL THESE GUIDELINES YOU GOT TO MEET. NO, THAT'S A THAT THAT RIGHT THERE IS ASKING FOR A LAWSUIT. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS ASKING FOR. BUT I DIGRESS. IF YOU NEED TO ASK A QUESTION, GO AHEAD. WELL IT'S REALLY A MISS MARLOWE. SO IS THERE I MEAN, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS LEADING UP TO THIS. AND SO IT DOES SEEM THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A STEP IN THAT PROCESS THAT AN INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, BUILDER OR HOMEOWNER WOULD RECEIVE THIS KIND OF MATERIAL. AND IS THERE A REASON THAT HASN'T HAPPENED OR, OH. YES, MA'AM, BUT LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR THAT THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THIS BODY AS OF YET. THIS WAS DESIGNED MAYBE 9 OR 5, SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO. THEY BROUGHT IT UP. IT HAD NEVER BEEN COME UP FOR ADOPTION. I THINK IN YOUR FUTURE, ONE OF YOUR FUTURE MEETINGS, IT WILL COME UP FOR ADOPTION. ALL OF THESE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US ARE NOT JUST THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE BINDER THAT HE HAS, THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THEY'VE NEVER BEEN APPROVED BY THIS BOARD. SO BUT WE TRY TO FOLLOW IT. SO THAT'S WHY THE GENTLEMAN. MR. MR. LONG HAS GIVEN US. THE THE DRAWINGS AND EVERYTHING. AND THEY. THEY FIT PERFECTLY. NOTHING'S WRONG WITH THEM. JUST. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACADE. ALL WE ARE CONTROLLING IS THE FACADE. AND ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU NEED TO CHANGE. BUT THE BUILDING, THE INFORMATION THAT HE HAS ON THOSE PAPERS ARE REALLY GOOD. IN FACT, OUR.
BUILDING INSPECTOR WAS GOING HE WANTS TO APPROVE IT. HE SAID THEY LOOK NICE, BUT WE JUST HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN ORDER TO GET IT DONE. SO SEEM LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING AND GET THIS APPROVED. YES, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. NO. THAT SOMEBODY COME UP TO CITY HALL. AND STAFF DIRECT THEM AND TELL THEM THEY CAN DO SOMETHING AND THEN APPROVE IT.
THEY DON'T SPEND ALL THIS MONEY BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH THAT. WELL, YES. AND, AND UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO HIS HIS PLANS FIT EVERYTHING. ACTUALLY, ONLY THE THINGS THAT IS NOT FITTING PROPERLY. AND HE MADE SOME CHANGES BECAUSE I SPOKE TO HIM IS THE FACADE. AND HE MADE SOME REALLY NICE CHANGES ON THAT FACADE. SO YOU DIDN'T BRING A PICTURE OF THE ONE, THE LATEST ONE YOU DID. I GOT ONE ON MY PHONE. YEAH. LET ME SEE THE LATEST ONE. NO, THE LATEST ONE.
YEAH, I, I HAVE IT AND I WILL SAY IT DOESN'T LOOK, IT DOESN'T LOOK. YOU CAN'T SEE ALL THE METAL HE HAS LIKE STONES IN FRONT, YOU KNOW. SO BUT HERE'S, HERE'S MY THING. THAT PIECE OF
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PAPER. YOU GOT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. IT SHOWS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A METAL FACADE ON THE OUTSIDE. BUT SHOW US WHAT YOU GOT. SHOWS WHAT YOU GOT. SO THIS IS NOT WHAT THE HOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS JUST. IT'S NIGHT AND DAY. OH MY GOD, LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS WORLD. BUT MY POINT IS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT HE COULD.YOU JUST TOLD THE TRUTH WHEN YOU'RE STANDARD IS THAT AND THAT IS THAT. THERE SHOULD BE NO QUESTION. OKAY, BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU GOT. CAN YOU SEE? OKAY, SO THAT'S NICE. THAT'S PRETTY.
I CAN PUT DIFFERENT. THAT'S LIKE NIGHT AND DAY. ALSO COMMISSIONERS THAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE, THE GUIDELINES ARE ALSO FOR YOU ALL TO GO THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN APPROVE. I THINK OUR DIRECTOR SAID IN ABOUT 90 DAYS. BUT SHE DOES WANT US TO FOLLOW THE STANDARD. YEAH, YEAH. IT CHANGES TO SILVER. YEAH. THE ROOF LINE CHANGED TO SILVER, I'M SURE, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL. YOU GOT IT. YEAH, BUT THE SLOPE IS ON THAT ONE TOO. THE DIFFERENCE IN SILVER INSTEAD OF BLUE. SO IS THIS WHAT YOU HAD FIRST. OH I'M SORRY. YES. WAS FIRST. THIS WAS FIRST. THIS IS THIS IS YOUR CURRENT. WELL, JUST THE OTHER DAY MR. LARRY CONTACTED ME. HE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY EVERYBODY WAS, YOU KNOW, IN AGREEANCE. THEY LIKED IT, BUT MAYBE ADDING SOMETHING TO THE FRONT FACADE OF IT. SO I WENT BACK AND I ADDED THIS STONE TO THE FRONT FACADE. ACTUALLY I DIDN'T, CINDY DID, BUT HE SAID THAT, SO OOPS. BUT IT WOUND UP BEING A GALVALUME METAL ROOF. WHAT COLOR IS YOUR ROOF GOING TO BE? GALVALUME IS WHAT COLOR IS GOING TO BE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. GAVIN. IT'S SILVER.
SILVER. IT LOOKS LIKE GALVANIZED METAL. OH, THAT'S GOING TO BE SILVER. OKAY. THE REASON BEING IS IT'S THE MOST ENERGY EFFICIENT COLOR THAT YOU CAN. OH I'M SORRY. CAN YOU. SHE DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT. CAN YOU. I'M SORRY. YEAH. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, NOT THIS.
SO WHY DO WE NOT HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT? LIKE I SAID, BOTH OF THEM ARE THE SAME. THEY'RE THEY'RE THE SAME HOUSE. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THIS ONE'S GOT STONE ON THE FRONT. THAT ONE. DON'T. THE METAL ROOF AND EVERYTHING AND IT LOOK BETTER. I THINK THE THE FACADE OF IT LOOKS BETTER. YEAH. BECAUSE THIS LOOKS LIKE YOU BOLTED TO THE CONTAINERS TOGETHER. YEAH.
ACTUALLY THEY'RE WELDED. WELDED. YEAH. BUT BUT BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SEAMLESS. ALMOST.
YEAH. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE BLUE ROOF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WHAT I, I HATE TO SEE WHEN I, WHEN I THINK OF WHEN I LOOK AT HISTORIC, OKAY. AND I'M THINKING HISTORICALLY, OKAY, LIKE I SAID, I KNEW THIS, I GOT A LOT OF READING TO DO, OBVIOUSLY. OKAY. BUT. I'M NOT THINKING OF A DISTRICT WHERE YOU GOT MAYBE SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT AGREEMENT, SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT AN ORANGE, SOMEBODY MAY WANT A PINK ONE. I THINK THERE'S MORE CONSISTENCY. AND I'M JUST NOT PERSONALLY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HISTORIC NOW, THIS WAS OUT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, UNLESS YOU HAD A HOA, A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND THEY CONTROL WHAT YOU WHAT YOU GOT, YOU YOU DON'T HAVE THAT. OKAY. BUT YOU DO HAVE THE HISTORICAL AREA. AND I JUST CAN'T SEE WHERE PEOPLE START PUTTING ALL THESE DIFFERENT COLORED ROOFS THROUGHOUT IT. AND IT'S HISTORICAL. I THINK THAT YOU WANT TO BE LIKE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH YOU. MY HOUSE, 100 YEARS OLD. AND WHEN I READ IT, IT'S GOT AN ASPHALT ROOF AND IT'S BLUE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD TO COME TO HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR NOT. I DON'T KNOW THAT. AND I KNOW THAT BEFORE PORT ARTHUR REALLY WASN'T PUSHING HISTORICAL STUFF LIKE THAT FOR YEARS. AND, AND, AND NOW COULD YOU SPEAK IN THE MIC, COMMISSIONER? THE NOT NOT NOW THEY HAVE THESE. I THINK THEY'RE DOING MORE HISTORICAL NOW. AND AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, HIS HOUSE IS NOT WHAT WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISION FOR. I'M LOOKING AT HIS PROJECT. AND ALTHOUGH I PERSONALLY LOVE THIS, I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU.
AND TO BE HONEST, I'M GONNA PROBABLY GET HIM TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR ME. I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, OKAY, I LOVE IT. WELL, COMMISSIONER, I WILL SAY THIS.
YES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROOFS AND HISTORICAL BUILDINGS. I MEAN, HISTORICAL DISTRICTS. IF YOU DRIVE DOWN LONGVIEW, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOFS. BUT UNDER LAW, YOU CANNOT STOP INDIVIDUALS FROM PUTTING UP ENERGY. THEY. I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS A MAN. I'M JUST SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING. BUT THE LAW, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. BUT IT BRINGS.
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IT'S A DIFFERENT. LOOK, I KNOW YOU CAN'T BECAUSE I WENT TO A HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONVENTION AND I ASKED THE QUESTION AND THEY SAID, WELL, THAT QUESTION IS STARTING NEW AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS FOR THAT. BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT, IT JUST TAKES TO ME, IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE HISTORICAL LOOK OF THE OF THE ROOF. I AGREE WITH THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. BUT LET ME TELL YOU, BUT WITH SOLAR PANELS, THAT'S GOING TO FALL UNDER A WHOLE NEW SET OF RULES, OKAY? BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE ENERGY, WHETHER THEY WANT TO PUT A WINDMILL, WHETHER THEY WANT TO PUT SOLAR PANELS, THAT'S A WHOLE NEW SET OF STUFF THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH. YEAH, BUT I WAS JUST SAYING THAT YOU JUST DRIVE DOWN AND IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE IT DOES TAKE AWAY. I AGREE. AND I JUST I WAS JUST BRINGING THAT UP. SO RIGHT NOW, ME PERSONALLY, I LOVE WHAT HE'S DOING AND I'M SERIOUS. I'M GOING TO BE TALKING TO MY BUILDING ONE FOR ME. I'M VERY SERIOUS. OKAY. AND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME. I THINK THERE NEED TO BE GUIDELINES ON BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH EVERYBODY HAVING DIFFERENT COLORED ROOFS. I MEAN, IF YOU START OUT WITH BLUE, THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE, YOU CAN GO WITH MAYBE BLUE, RED OR BLACK OR SOMETHING. THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT, IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER FIVE ON YOUR HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION GUIDE, YOU DO, YOU CAN APPLY CONDITIONS TO HIS STRUCTURE, EXTERIOR MATERIALS, WINDOWS AND ROOF, REQUIRE A PITCHED ROOF OR CHANGED ROOF MATERIAL AND OR COLOR SO YOU CAN STILL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DENIAL OR ANYTHING. YOU CAN SAY YES, WITH THESE CONDITIONS APPLIED. AND OF COURSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT. WELL, HE'S GOING WITH SILVER AND THAT'S A GOOD A GOOD COLOR. OKAY. TO ME, THAT'S ME PERSONALLY. I MEAN, SILVER IS A NICE COLOR. PLUS IT'S HEAT EFFICIENCY AND YES. YEAH. SO.OH WAIT, SIR, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE YEAH, COME TO THE MIC. SO MY ROOF IS 16 YEARS OLD. IT WAS AFTER ONE OF THE LAST HURRICANES AND I REALLY WANTED TO GO WITH THE METAL ROOF, BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT'D BE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WOULD HAVE A TROUBLE WITH THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A SILVER ROOF ON MY HOUSE. SO YEAH, BUT WE HERE IN HIS CASE TODAY, I KNOW YOU GOT TO GET WITH THEM BECAUSE IF YOU APPROVE SILVER ON HIS HOUSE, THEN WHEN I REDO MY ROOF IN A FEW YEARS, I CAN DO SILVER ON MINE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. YOU GOT TO GET WITH STAFF ON THAT. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. YEAH, YOU GOT TO GET WITH THOSE GUYS. YOU HAVE TO COME FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. AND SILVER AND THEN YEAH, BUT IT'LL BE WELL, THAT'D BE YOUR CASE. I WOULD PRESENT BUT BUT RIGHT NOW I WANT TO I WANT TO FOCUS ON WHAT HE'S THERE'S A LOT ON WHAT THIS GUY'S GOT. I WANT TO FOCUS ON HIS. AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR ME. I'M GOOD WITH SILVER. I'M THINKING OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL, BUT I CAN'T. HE GOT THREE MORE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE. HE HAS A POWERPOINT THAT HE DOES WANT TO PRESENT AS WELL. COMMISSIONER. YEAH, HE DOES IN ONE OF THE PLANT. BUT GO AHEAD, MISS RUTHERFORD. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? COMMISSIONER RUTHERFORD, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I'VE GOT A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO BE AT THE HEIGHT THAT IT'S PRESENTED? WELL, THAT'S JUST 36IN ABOVE GRADE, WHICH IS WHAT MY GEO ENGINEER RECOMMENDED. WHY? WELL, YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM, BUT THAT'S WHAT WAS IN MY REPORT ON GEO ENGINEERING, WAS FOR IT TO BE AT LEAST 36IN. WELL, ACCORDING TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, PEOPLE, THAT PARTICULAR ZONE DOES NOT REQUIRE, I GUESS, ANYTHING MORE THAN FOOT ABOVE GRADE. WELL, SO IT STARTED OUT AND I, I TALKED TO STAFF UPSTAIRS AND THEY SAID THAT IT NEEDED TO BE. SO HERE'S WHAT ELSE THEY'RE DOING AS WELL.
HISTORICALLY, THE LOTS, ESPECIALLY AT BLEDSOE PLACE, HAVE DRAINED TO THE BACK OF THE LOT. WELL NOW THEY'RE TURNING THAT AND FLIPPING IT. SO NOW I HAVE TO MAKE THE LOT DRAIN FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT. SO NOW IT HAS TO DRAIN TO BLEDSOE INSTEAD OF DRAINING TO THE BACK LIKE IT NORMALLY DOES. SO WITH THAT HAPPENING, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE WATER AND BRING IT FORWARD TO THE HOUSE. AND I WANTED TO HAVE SOME HEIGHT UNDER IT SO THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT GETTING UP UNDER THERE AND THE MOISTURE AND STUFF STAYING UNDER THERE AND IT RUSTING UP UNDER THAT HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS A STEEL STRUCTURE OR MOISTURE GETTING UNDER THERE, AND THEY'RE GETTING MOLD AND THINGS LIKE THAT UP UNDER THE BOTTOM OF IT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE INSULATED, THERE'S STILL YOU WITH THE HUMIDITY AND STUFF. I GREW UP IN THIS STUFF. I'M FROM MYRTLE BEACH, SOUTH CAROLINA. Y'ALL DON'T HAVE NO MORE HUMIDITY IN MARCH THAN I DO. WHY CAN'T YOU? CONCRETE UNDERNEATH. SLAB? BECAUSE IT
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WAS RECOMMENDED FOR PILES. THE BILL THAT'S SITTING ON BILL. BUT WHY CAN'T YOU PUT CONCRETE WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD WATER ON IT, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SITTING WATER. I'VE GOT TO WELL, I'VE GOT TO DRAIN THAT WATER A CERTAIN WAY, AND I'VE GOT TO CUT THE LOT A CERTAIN WAY, ACCORDING TO STAFF UPSTAIRS, TO GET IT TO DRAIN OFF. RIGHT. BUT IF I PUT CONCRETE, HOW MUCH IS CONCRETE A YARD? I DON'T REMEMBER. I WAS SELLING IT. I DON'T REMEMBER AT ONE TIME HOW MUCH. IT'S ABOUT $130 A YARD TODAY. AND SO. RIGHT. SO $130 A YARD UP UNDER THERE WHEN I CAN PUT GRAVEL AND ROCK UNDER, THERE IS A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER TO PUT GRAVEL AND ROCK THAN TO POUR CONCRETE SLAB. THIS IS JEFFREY DICKEY AGAIN. 324 BLEDSOE PLACE WHERE THE HOUSE STANDS. SO MY HOUSE IS HISTORICAL AND THE GATES FAMILY IS THE ONE THAT MOVED THE HOUSE THERE TO THE PROPERTY. AND MY HOUSE IS 30IN OFF THE GROUND. SO HIS 36 IS COMPARABLE IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. IS IT SITTING ON ON PIERS LIKE HIS. IT'S ON BRICK PIERS. IT'S ON.IT'S ON BRICK PIERS. MOST OF THE HOUSES IT'S A 20 YOU SEE UNDER IT. IT'S A 2300 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND IT'S ON PIERS. AND YES, YOU CAN SEE UNDERNEATH IT. YES, YES YOU CAN SEE. WELL IT DOES HAVE A SKIRT AROUND THE BOTTOM OF IT. SO YOU CAN ONLY SEE LIKE TWO FEET UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE. YOU HAVE TO CRAWL UNDERNEATH IT. ONCE YOU GET UNDERNEATH IT, YOU CAN STAND UP AND WALK BENT OVER. NO, NO, NO, LISTEN TO ME. I'M SAYING IF I WAS STANDING ON THE STREET OR STANDING IN YOUR YARD AT THE FRONT, AND I LOOK AT IT LIKE I'M LOOKING AT HIS. YEAH, OKAY.
I'M STANDING IN FRONT AND I'M LOOKING. YOU CAN SEE UNDER THE HOUSE. YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANT. YEP. SO DO I RECALL EARLIER YOU SHOWED US PICTURES OF THE HOMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE? YES. IF SO, COULD YOU GO BACK AND AND FLIP THROUGH NOW THAT WE'VE HEARD SOME DISCUSSION, IS HIS HOUSE ON THERE? MY HOUSE IS ON THERE. YES. IT'S THE GRAY HOUSE. IT'S GRAY ON THE BOTTOM, WHITE ON THE TOP. AND IT'S GOT THE BLUE ROOF. THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE.
YEP. THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT. YEAH. SEE HOW YOU CAN SEE UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE IN THE BACK OF YOUR REPORT. CAN I ZOOM IN. I CAN'T SEE IT. YOUR REPORT PAGE 14 ON YOUR REPORT PAGE 14. YEAH. WHEN MY DAD WENT AND LOOKED AT THE HOUSE WITH ME, THAT HOUSE WASN'T BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY.
IT WAS MOVED TO THAT PROPERTY IN 1911, AND IT HAS 18 INCH BY 18 INCH. WOODEN THINGS UNDERNEATH THE FOUNDATION. AND THEN IT'S 16IN OFF THE GROUND. SO IT'S OVER 30IN ABOVE GRADE.
THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE FERNANDO'S HOUSE SORT OF ON ON. YEAH, THE HOUSE WAS ACTUALLY BUILT IN 1906, BUT IT WAS MOVED TO THE CURRENT LOCATION IN 1911. MARY CROWDER, THE THE DOCENT AT THE POMPEIIAN VILLA. SHE'S THE ONE THAT TOLD ME ALL THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE AND HOW IT WAS. MRS. GATES TOLD HER TWO NIECES THAT IF YOU COME TAKE CARE OF ME IN MY OLD AGE, I WILL GIVE YOU EACH A HOUSE. AND. THERE WASN'T TIME TO BUILD THE HOUSES. SO THERE IS A PICTURE OF MY HOUSE BEING MOVED DOWN. PROCTOR ON TELEPHONE POLES AND BEING PULLED BY 16 MULES. HEY, Y'ALL WANT TO LOSE A QUORUM? IF WE KEEP RIGHT NOW, I'M GOING TO BE LEAVING, OKAY. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION. ALL RIGHT. LET ME STICK OVER HERE. OKAY.
GETTING READY TO LEAVE. OKAY. BECAUSE I CAN'T BE HERE ALL NIGHT. I'VE HELPED ALL I CAN.
OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO STICK TO HIS PROJECT. THAT'S ON THE AGENDA. OKAY? OKAY. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO LOOK AT THE HOUSE AS A COMPARISON FOR MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY, SO WE'RE READY NOW. SO MY BACKGROUND IS IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL CONSTRUCTION. BUT IN MARCH OF 2025, I MADE IT TO JEFFERSON PARISH OR JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. AND WHEN I CAME HERE, I HAD A WEEKEND OFF. I CAME, DROVE AROUND AND I FOUND PORT ARTHUR AND I FOUND LAKESHORE DRIVE AND BLEDSOE PLACE, AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH IT. SO WHAT I DONE WAS I STARTED CONTACTING THE CITY TO FIND OUT WHAT IT WAS ZONED FOR, WHAT I COULD PUT THERE. COULD I PUT A DUPLEX OR DID IT, COULD IT ONLY BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? AND ALL THESE TIMES NOBODY EVER
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MENTIONED ANYTHING TO ME ABOUT IT WAS A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. I HAD GUIDELINES I HAD TO USE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. IF YOU GO OVER TO THE OFFICE OVER THERE, THEY'LL GIVE YOU A PIECE OF PAPER THAT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED IN ORDER TO DO THIS. AND I GET, I GOT THAT PIECE OF PAPER, AND THEN I CHECKED OFF EVERYTHING ON THAT LIST. SO THE FIRST TIME I SUBMITTED MY PLANS, I HAD EVERYTHING I NEEDED AND I WAS APPROVED EXCEPT FOR AT THE LAST MINUTE. AT THE LAST HOUR, THEY TOLD ME, OKAY, WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A HISTORIC COMMISSION. YOU'VE GOT TO GO BEFORE THEM FIRST. I EVER HEARD ABOUT IT.WHO APPROVED THE DRAFT? WHOEVER APPROVED THE THE ONE OF THE BUILDING OFFICIALS. BUT I HAVE TO ONE BUILDING OFFICIAL. WE HAVE. YEAH. OKAY. WE HAVE A CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL AND A DEPUTY OFFICIAL. THE DEPUTY OFFICIAL APPROVES THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES. HE HASN'T APPROVED IT YET. BUT HE LOOKED AT IT. HE DIDN'T WANT TO. HE COULDN'T APPROVE IT BECAUSE HE SAID YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH HISTORIC DISTRICT. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME. YEAH.
HE LOOKED AT IT. HE SAID IT'S GOOD. AND HE WANTED TO HE WANTED TO SIGN OFF ON IT, BUT IT WAS IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. AND THEN. IS THAT MR. ROBINSON YOU TALKING ABOUT. YES. OKAY.
AND SO NOW THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. THE PLANS ARE MEET ALL THE ALL THE CRITERIA. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PLANS. ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE FACADE. AND FOR YOU TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS UPON THAT. BUT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT, HOW DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT FEEL ABOUT WHAT HE SUBMITTED, INCLUDING THE DRAWINGS THAT HE GOT ON HIS CELL PHONE? HOW DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT FEEL ABOUT THE OVERALL. ARE YOU GOOD WITH THIS? WELL, WE I I'M ALLOWED TO SAY THAT. WELL, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'S FINE. THE EVERYTHING IS FINE. HE MEETS ALL OUR CONDITIONS AS FAR AS PLANNING. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. AND THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPOSED TO GIVE. NO, YOU CAN GIVE. OKAY.
GIVE A RECOMMENDATION. WE DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL, BUT OF COURSE WE HAD TO BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION. LIKE ALWAYS. OKAY. AND I AND I'LL CUT THIS SHORT FOR YOU WITH THE CONDITION THAT I MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, PUT THE STONE ON THE FRONT OF IT LIKE IT IS IN THE PICTURE ON MY PHONE. I'M WILLING TO DO THAT AND TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE ROOF THERE TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE OR WHAT I INTENDED ON IT BEING TO START WITH. WHEN WE DID THAT RENDERING, IT COME BACK WITH A BLUE ROOF, WHICH I NEVER INTENDED TO PUT AN ACTUAL BLUE ROOF ON IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'VE RESEARCHED THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COLORS OF METAL ROOFS. AND FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO PUT A METAL ROOF ON THEIR HOUSE, JUST KNOW THAT GALVALUME IS THE MOST ENERGY EFFICIENT COLOR TO GO WITH. AND THEN WHITE. AND THE DARKER YOU GET, YOU KNOW, THE LESS ENERGY EFFICIENT IT BECOMES. BUT I AM WILLING TO PUT THE STONE ON THE FRONT OF IT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'VE GOT A LITTLE MODEL THAT I HAD STARTED BUILDING THAT I WAS GOING TO BRING, AND IT HAS STONE ON THE FRONT OF IT IN THOSE SPOTS RIGHT THERE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT A NONSTARTER FOR ME. AND I'LL JUST LEAVE THAT AT THAT. MY FIRST IMPRESSION OF THE DRAWING WAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A BEACH HOUSE AND A LOT OF FEATURES THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DRIVE YOU TO THAT DIRECTION. SO I SAT DOWN AND BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, THINGS THAT I KNEW ABOUT FROM THE ORIGINAL PLANNING OR HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION, THERE'S MY LIST OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO, SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT YOU GOT TO LOOK AT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, JUST RIGHT HERE ON SHORELINE, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IMMEDIATE AREA. FROM THE TIME THAT THIS PLACE WAS FOUNDED AND THE FIRST HOUSE WAS BUILT HERE, WHICH I THINK WAS IN 1856, IT WAS AT THE OTHER END DOWN THERE AT THE QUEEN STREET. YEAH, THAT'S THE HOUSE. OKAY, SO THAT HOUSE LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. OTHER THAN THE LINES ON THE HOUSE. NOW, YOU LOOK AT THIS HOUSE.
THIS IS THE MEDITERRANEAN SPANISH STYLE THAT JUST SPOKE OF EARLIER. THAT'S ACTUALLY ON
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BLEDSOE STREET. THAT'S ANOTHER VIEW OF IT. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CHIMNEY STICKING UP THERE. BUT IT'S JUST A SQUARE BOX. THAT HOUSE DOES HAVE METAL SIDING ON IT. OKAY. THIS HOUSE IS THE ONE THAT'S ON LAKESHORE DRIVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF BLEDSOE PLACE. IT ACTUALLY BACKS UP TO MY PROPERTY. AND THEN THAT ONE IS FURTHER DOWN. BUT ALL OF THESE HOUSES WERE BUILT IN THE 60S. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE OVER APPROXIMATELY TEN DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS THROUGHOUT, FROM LAKE CHARLES DOWN TO WOODWARD, WHERE ROSE HILL MANOR IS. THERE'S TEN DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS OF HOUSES IN THAT AREA. SO I'M NOT LOOKING TO BE SOMETHING TOTALLY RADICAL AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, BUT I'M LOOKING TO BRING A NEW LOOK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WORKS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT WE LIVE IN TODAY, WHICH IS SEVERE STORMS AND HURRICANES. AND THIS PROJECT HERE IS A PROJECT THAT IS DESIGNED SO THAT WE CAN CLOSE IT UP. WHEN A HURRICANE COMES IN, SHUT IT COMPLETELY DOWN, LEAVE IT AND COME BACK TO IT AND JUST OPEN THE CONTAINER DOORS ON IT, PUT THEM BACK WHERE THEY GO, AND YOU'VE GOT A HOUSE TO LIVE IN AGAIN. YOU'RE NOT HERE WORRYING ABOUT GETTING AN ENGINEER TO SEE IF YOUR HOUSE IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND SO THAT YOU CAN MOVE BACK IN IT. YOU'RE NOT HERE BECAUSE IT WASN'T SEALED AND IT FLOODED OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. THIS IS DESIGNED SO THAT IT MEETS ALL OF THAT CRITERIA, AND IT'S DURABLE AND LASTS FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT DON'T REALLY STAND OUT. AND FOR WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT DON'T STAND OUT A LOT. IT DOES HAVE THAT BEACH FEEL, BUT THERE IS A HOUSE RIGHT ON LAKESHORE DRIVE THAT'S GOT. THEY CALL IT A, LET'S SEE. I CAN GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS HERE. JUST. IT'S 2249 LAKESHORE, WHICH IT'S IT'S CALLED A COASTAL TRADITIONAL HYBRID. AND IT'S GOT A REALLY SHARP PITCHED ROOF ON IT THAT COMES DOWN LIKE THIS. AND THEN IT'S GOT A BALCONY ON THE FRONT OF IT, JUST ABOVE THE PORCH THAT WALKS ACROSS THE PORCH.THAT'S RIGHT ON LAKESHORE DRIVE. SO YOU'VE GOT A EXAMPLE OF A BEACH HOUSE TYPE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S RIGHT HERE IN LAKESHORE. I THINK THE KIND OF TONES IT DON SOMEWHAT. AND LARRY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT OVER THE COMPUTER. BUT A LOT OF MY THINGS INVOLVE DOOR TREATMENT, WINDOW TREATMENT, STAIR RAIL OR STAIRS AND RAILING THAT SCREAM MODERN. WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS 2026. IT'S NOT. I KNOW IT IS 1936, BUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS OLDER, OLDER THAN TODAY.
YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT IT WILL BE OLDER THAN TODAY, TOMORROW AS WELL. AND WOULD LIMITING WHAT YOU GOT HERE WHEN YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SO MANY DIFFERENT DESIGNS OF ARCHITECTURE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD BE DOING AN INJUSTICE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LETTING IT GROW AND EXPAND. YOU'RE STOPPING AT A POINT AND YOU'RE SAYING NO MORE GROWTH. YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO THAT TO THE WHOLE CITY AND SHUT IT DOWN. WELL, THE FORUMS COULD CHANGE, BUT THE THE TREATMENT OR TREATMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT. NEED TO NEED TO GO BACK A FEW YEARS MORE THAN TODAY. DID YOU GET A COPY OF MY OH, HERE YOU ARE. COMMENTS. AND JUST TO REITERATE, COMMISSIONERS EXAMPLES OF COMPATIBILITY. WELL, HE JUST GAVE IT TO US. I'M COMPATIBLE. DOES NOT MEAN IDENTICAL. NEW NEW HOMES CAN BE DIFFERENT IN STYLE AS LONG AS THEY RESPECT THE SCALE, SETBACKS, ORIENTATION, AND CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AGAIN, REFERRING BACK TO NUMBER FIVE UNDER THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION GUIDE, YOU CAN MAKE CONDITIONS ON EXTERIOR WINDOWS, ROOF SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING THAT IS TOTALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION. AND YES, MISS
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HOLMES HAS A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD. ARE WE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HISTORICAL.I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE EXTERIOR IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT THEY DO IN THE INTERIOR. I DIDN'T KNOW IT AFFECTED THAT ALSO. WELL, NO, MA'AM, WE'RE ONLY DISCUSSING THE EXTERIOR. OKAY. BECAUSE JUST NOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STAIRWELLS AND EVERYTHING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE EXTERIOR. SO OUR CONCERN IS KEEPING THE THE EXTERIOR IN COMPLIANCE WITH HISTORICAL. YES, MA'AM. WITH THE ORDINANCE? YES, MA'AM. AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STAIRS ON THE OUTSIDE. OKAY. WELL DOES HE HAVE STAIRS ON THE OUTSIDE? YES. YES. YES. OH, GOOD. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. HEY, LET ME I WANT TO I WANT TO ADD ONE THING, GUYS. OKAY, SO THE EDC BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL GUYS ARE AWARE, BUT WE GOT THE EDC BUILDING AND YOU GOT THE PEOPLE'S PARK RIGHT THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE GRASS THAT'S MINE RIGHT BEHIND ME. MOTIVA IS DOING ALL THAT RENOVATION. NOW, THOSE WINDOWS THEY PUT IN AND THAT THAT'S A HISTORICAL BUILDING, OKAY? THEY'RE METAL.
AND I'M GONNA BE HONEST, THEY LOOK NICE. CORRECT. AND AND AND AND TO ME, I MEAN, JUST MY.
THESE ARE METAL ONES. YES. OKAY. SO TO ME, I'M JUST THINKING TO MYSELF, OKAY, STRUCTURE WISE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BETTER THAN THE WOODEN FRAME. OKAY. WOODEN FRAME, WOODEN FRAME, DEPENDING ON HUMIDITY AND ALL THAT. SOMETIMES THEY STUCK. THEY DON'T WANT TO GO UP. THEY DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY FIND THAT AS LONG AS ARCHITECTURALLY THEY LOOK SIMILAR. I GOT RENT HOUSES, THEY GOT THESE.
EXACT WINDOWS ON THEM, BUT THEY BUT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE THOSE ARE WOOD.
AND THEY'VE GOT WEIGHT ON THE ON EACH SIDE, THEY GOT THESE WEIGHTS ON THEM AND ALL THAT.
THEY BE GETTING STUCK AND ALL THAT, BUT THEY LOOK LIKE THIS. RIGHT. AND WHAT I, WHAT I DO LIKE ON WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE SHUTTERS. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE SHUTTERS, IT BRINGS ME BACK. 50 YEARS, 60 YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE SHUTTERS. NEW HOMES. I DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF SHUTTERS ON MODERN HOMES THAT I'M SEEING TODAY. RIGHT. BUT ON YOUR DESIGN, I DO LIKE THE SHUTTERS AND I REALLY DON'T LIKE IT WITH THE STONE. OKAY, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR NOBODY ELSE. YOU KNOW, SO OVERALL. WITH SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE THE COLOR OF THE ROOF. RIGHT. AND THE ESTHETIC HERE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE STAIR WHAT CAN BE DONE UNLESS YOU GOT THE HORIZONTAL. Y'ALL GOTTA I GOT REAL BAD DIABETES.
I CAN'T SEE TOO GOOD. OKAY. BUT UNLESS MAYBE YOU RAN IT VERTICAL. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
OVERALL, TO ME, UNLESS THE BOARD FEELS DIFFERENT, I DON'T SEE NOTHING. WHY? WE SHOULDN'T ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S JUST MY HONEST OPINION. SO I CAN'T, LIKE. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE. THE SUGGESTION. WHAT IF HE MIMICS HIS. YOU CAN'T MIMIC WHAT.
LIKE THE HISTORICAL. THE HOMES IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THE.
THE POMPEIIAN VILLA. LIKE. YOU CAN'T MIMIC IT. EXACTLY. NO, NO NO. I'M JUST SAYING, IF HE STYLED HIS RAILING AFTER THE RAILING AT THE TOP OF THE POMPEIAN VILLA WITH THAT STAR PATTERN, IT WOULD TIE IT INTO THE AREA AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN AND IT WOULD LOOK GREAT WITH THE ESTHETIC, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STONE FACADE. BUT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO DO? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THAT DESIGN IS, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF IT FITS IN WITH THIS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO HERE.
THIS IS JUST A YOU'VE GOT TO REALIZE ALSO, THIS IS A RENTAL RENTAL UNIT IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO WIND UP BEING. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK FOR DURABILITY AND LONGEVITY.
THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO I'M WHEN I DO THIS AND LIKE I SAID, IF I'D HAVE HAD ALL THIS OTHER STUFF BEFOREHAND, YOU'D HAVE PROBABLY BEEN LOOKING AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PICTURE ALTOGETHER. BUT I'M JUST NOW RECEIVING JUST LIKE HIS LIST OF THINGS THAT HE WANTED
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RECOMMENDED. I JUST RECEIVED THAT FROM HER. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW, AND I CAN'T HELP THAT THAT'S ON SOMEBODY ELSE. SO YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO BE INFORMED ABOUT THINGS. SO DESIGN CHANGE. YES. I CAN PUT THE REGULAR PICKETS IN IT. THAT GOES UP AND DOWN. BUT I WAS TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITHOUT GOING TOO FAR OUT OF THE BOX AND KEEPING IT SO THAT IT WAS FUNCTIONAL AS WELL AS. DURABLE. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE CONTINUING ON TELLING US WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR LIST THAT YOU FELT LIKE? STILL, AFTER ALL, THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AND I'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. HERE'S YOUR STUFF. I REMEMBER DOING THIS WHEN I WAS WITH THE EDC. WHEN WE DID THAT OLD BANK BUILDING. MATTER OF FACT, I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE OF THE EDC AT THAT TIME. AND WHEN WE GOT THE EDC BUILDING, WHO WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. IT WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT GROUPS WE HAD TO DEAL WITH. AND THOSE WINDOWS AND EVEN THE DOORS, WE HAD TO DO IT A CERTAIN WAY, BUT WE STILL HAD TO MAKE CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF YOU CAN'T FIND, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND WOODEN WINDOWS LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, UNFORTUNATELY AND SADLY, Y'ALL HAVE THE RULES AND YOU KNEW WHAT GOING INTO IT. WELL, ACTUALLY STAFF DID ALL THAT THEY HAD. THEY HAD THE CITY WENT AND RESEARCHED IT. YEAH. I THINK IT WAS PAMELA LANGFORD. AND, AND THEN THEY WENT AND DID ALL THAT RESEARCH AND BROUGHT IT TO US. AND SO THAT WE WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY AND THE STATE. RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I SEE WE HAVE LIKE TWO VISITORS. ARE THEY ARE THEY WANTING TO SPEAK AS WELL BESIDES OR WERE THEY IS ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE FOR OKAY, ANYONE SPEAKING AGAINST. NO, MA'AM. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING, BUT I DO WANT TO REFER BACK TO, AGAIN THESE GUIDELINES AND THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION GUIDELINES THAT I DID CREATE. I DID INCLUDE A RUBRIC AGAIN, FOR YOU ALL TO FOLLOW AND MAYBE MARK YES OR NO BASED ON HIS PROJECT. AND IF YOU GO TO THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR DESIGN STANDARDS, I BROKE EVERYTHING DOWN FOR YOU. YOUR REVIEW CHECKLIST BEFORE MAKING A DECISION. X DOES THE PROJECT MATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTATION? THAT IS, DOES IT RESPECT ESTABLISHED SETBACKS? AND IT DOES. DOES IT MAINTAIN A HISTORIC CHARACTER? DOES IT COMPLIMENT SURROUNDING STRUCTURES? DOES IT AVOID FALSE HISTORIC DESIGN? DOES IT REFLECT QUALITY, QUALITY DESIGN OF ITS TIME? DO NOT ASK WOULD I BUILD IT THIS WAY? DO I PERSONALLY LIKE IT? WOULD I CHOOSE THESE MATERIALS? DOES IT LOOK OLD ENOUGH? IS IT HISTORIC? IS IT A TRADITIONAL ENOUGH? DOES IT MATCH THE OLDEST BUILDING? THOSE AREN'T QUESTIONS. X INSTEAD, IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? DOES IT RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PATTERN? DOES IT SATISFY THE ADOPTED DESIGN STANDARDS? DOES IT PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT, AND DOES IT SUPPORT THE GOALS OF THE DISTRICT? AND ALSO KEEP IN MIND THE KEY PRINCIPLE. ANY BUILDING SHOULD REFLECT ITS TIME. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS TRYING TO SAY. IF HE BUILT HIS STRUCTURE NOW, 40 YEARS OR 50, 60 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, HIS PROPERTY WILL NOW BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC. SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WHERE THE DIFFERENT STYLES COME FROM IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY. AND PRETTY MUCH ON NUMBER THREE, THE COMPATIBLE DESIGN DESIGN, NEW BUILDING. SO THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH BUT DIFFERENTIATED FROM HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT DO COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT RESPECT WITH HISTORIC CHARACTER AGAIN AND CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. DO NOT FAKE HISTORIC REPLICAS, ARTIFICIAL HISTORIC FEATURES OR FALSE ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY. AND THAT IS IT. WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN USE THIS GUIDE TO KIND OF MAKE YOUR DECISION. I DID AGAIN, I INCLUDED A RUBRIC FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THE ROOF, THE WINDOWS, THE CHARACTER, AND ALL THOSE GREAT THINGS. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN APPLY CONDITIONS IF THERE'S SOMETHING Y'ALL CAN WANT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE, YOU CAN ALSO PROVIDE CONDITIONS AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS, EXTERIOR MATERIALS, SCREENING, LANDSCAPING. LESLIE, WOULD YOU CONTINUE? OKAY. PROBABLY THE MAIN THINGS THAT I WOULD. LOOK[01:10:09]
AT. LET ME START AT THE BOTTOM. THE THIRD ONE UP WOULD BE ADDRESSING THE PORCHES, STAIRS, RAILINGS IN SOME. APPROPRIATE WAY. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE UP. ALSO DOORS AND WINDOWS. I WON'T HARP ON THE MATERIAL, BUT TO THAT THEY WOULD MATCH THE STYLE AND MASS APPROPRIATE TO OTHER HOMES IN THE DISTRICT. I MEAN, THAT COULD BE. MAYBE A LITTLE BIT THICKER. SEPARATING STRIPS ON THE WINDOWS. THE WINDOW FRAMES BEING MAYBE A LITTLE BIT STRONGER, SHALL WE SAY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THESE? YES, MA'AM. THOSE ARE THOSE DOUBLE GLAZED WINDOWS WERE DOUBLE GLAZED. YES.THEIR IMPACT. YEAH. YEAH. THEIR IMPACT DOUBLE GLAZED WINDOWS. SO WHEN YOU BUY THOSE LIKE THAT WHAT THAT IS WINDSTORM. BUT THEY I MEAN BUT THEY COME IN DIFFERENT. YOU TALKING ABOUT THE YOU TALKING ABOUT THESE. YEAH. BE A LITTLE THICKER, A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORIC. OKAY.
ACCORDING TO SOME OF THE STYLES THAT ARE WELL, MOST OF THE WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T EVEN HAVE LIGHTS IN THEM. IF YOU GO AROUND AND LOOK AT THESE HOUSES, A LOT OF THE HOUSES, THE WINDOWS DON'T EVEN HAVE LIGHTS. THEY'RE OPEN WINDOWS, JUST LIKE THE WINDOWS IN THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE. AND PROBABLY THE SAME FOR THE. MAYBE CHANGING FOR THE PATIO DOORS TO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD MAYBE QUESTION TO LOOK INTO WOULD BE AGAIN, WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION OF THE HEIGHT ABOVE GRADE. IF ALL YOU NEED IS JUST AREA TO ALLOW THE WATER TO DRAIN PROPERLY AND BE ABLE TO WALK OR CRAWL UNDERNEATH THERE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY LOWERING A FOOT WOULD LET IT LOOK LESS LIKE A BEACH HOUSE AND MORE LIKE A HOME. SO LOWERING IT BY ONE FOOT, SAY A FOOT. AND I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT TREATMENT OF THE, THE RAILINGS. PROBABLY VERTICAL ON A PARTIAL SKIRT ON THE SKIRT, THOUGH IT DIDN'T LOOK REAL BAD. THAT'D BE TOO BIG OF A SKIRT. YEAH. IT WON'T BE TOO MUCH IF HE CAME, IF HE, IF HE CAME DOWN TO. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? IF HE DID COME DOWN A FOOT, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY THAT THE BEACH HOME LIKE KIND OF THING. AND THEN YOU NEVER KNOW. HE CAN ALWAYS MAYBE PUT SOME FLOWERS IN FRONT OF IT TOO, AFTER THAT. AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT. YES, WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE. YOU PUT SOME SHRUBS.
YEAH. PUT SOME SHRUBS. PUT THEM IN FRONT OF ME. YEAH. OH HE CAN GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT.
YOU KNOW IT'S NOT THAT EXPENSIVE. SOME SHRUBS. I MEAN THE OVERALL THING I LIKE IT, I LIKE WHAT WERE YOU SAYING MR. MCMAHON, ABOUT THE, THE PATIO DOORS, THE PATIO DOORS ARE PATIO DOORS. BUT IF THEY YOU KNOW. EVEN METAL DOORS, THAT WOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THE LOOK, I GUESS, OF, OF A, OF A, OF A HOUSE METAL DOORS RATHER THAN A CABIN. OKAY. OKAY.
SO THAT'S AND OF THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER AND PATTERN OF LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WOULD LOOK BEST ON, ON THAT SCALE. AND SAME THING WITH THE WINDOWS. I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, NOT LOOKING BACK DIRECTLY AT THE HISTORICAL STANDARDS, BUT IN THOSE, IF THE LIGHTS PATTERN WOULD BE MORE HISTORIC, IF YOU WILL. SO WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR THE WINDOWS? WHAT WOULD YOU WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE WINDOWS? WELL, IT STILL COULD BE METAL, BUT AS I SAID A WHILE AGO, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT THICKER FRAMES AND DIFFERENT LIGHT PATTERN LIGHTS PATTERN THAT WOULD BE MORE HISTORIC. SO LET'S KEEP ONE THING IN MIND RIGHT HERE. THIS IS ACTUALLY TWO APARTMENTS, CORRECT? RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU DRAW YOUR
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LINE RIGHT HERE. THAT'S ONE. PEOPLE STAY HERE AND THAT'S ANOTHER GROUP STAYING OVER HERE.AND SO IT'S LIKE TWO HOUSES IN ONE OKAY. DUPLEX THIS DUPLEX EFFECTIVELY. YES. AND WHICH IS ALLOWED. YES. COMMISSIONERS, I'D LIKE TO SAY ONE THING. THIS HOUSE, THIS LOCATION IS NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE. SO YOU CAN BUILD A GRADE WITH WITH. BUT WE HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS ON US, ON ANYONE BUILDING, PUTTING ON PIER AND BEAM. IN FACT, WE ASKED THEM, YOU CAN PUT IT THE STRUCTURE ON CONCRETE OR YOU CAN USE PIER AND BEAM. THAT'S EVERYWHERE WE HAVE. SO THE PIER AND BEAM IS NOT ILLEGAL OR IS NOT SOMETHING WRONG IN THIS? IN THIS AT THIS TIME? YEAH. I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST DROPPING IT A FOOT SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR SO. OKAY. I MEAN, YEAH, YOU CAN DROP IT A FOOT, BUT THERE'S NO HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ON HOW HIGH YOU CAN BUILD IT, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T MEET THE HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOTAL BUILDING. RIGHT. SO, SO HE CAN, HE SAID HE CAN SCREEN IT IF HE LIKES TO SKIRT IT, SKIRT AND SCREEN, SAME THING, SIX FOOT. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. IF YOU CAME DOWN A FOOT, COULD YOU WORK WITH THAT? WHAT IF I WENT UP SIX FOOT SIX FOR THE RECORD WENT UP SIX? WHAT IF I GO UP SIX FOOT AND PUT IT ON STILTS SO I CAN PARK UP UNDER IT? WELL, IT REALLY DOESN'T FIT THERE. IT. IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE GOT A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, BUT IT DON'T EXCEED THAT HEIGHT REQUIREMENT. LET ME ASK YOU, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH BRINGING IT DOWN A FOOT? YES I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T BE OKAY WITH THAT. I'VE GOT A RECOMMENDATION FROM AN ENGINEER THAT SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE UP 36IN. THAT IS WHERE IT'S DESIGNED TO BE. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS. YES, I CAN PUT A SKIRTING AROUND IT A FOOT, BUT THE PIERS ARE GOING TO BE 36IN RECOMMENDED BY AN ENGINEER AND NOT A HISTORIC COMMISSION. YEAH, BUT YOU GOT A FEW ENGINEERS THAT ARE SITTING ON THIS BOARD RIGHT NOW. I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. I JUST WANT I WANT YOU TO BE THAT STUPID. NO, NO, NO, NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M JUST SAYING WHAT YOU SAY. NOT A HISTORIC COMMUNITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S A PE UNDERSTAND? BUT OKAY. HE WAS OVER ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY. RIGHT. BUT I MY BACKGROUND IS ENGINEERING ALSO.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT PACKET THERE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IS DONE BY WHAT I WAS RECOMMENDED ME BEING DOING BE BEING DONE. THAT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE 36IN ABOVE GRADE. OKAY. IT'S IN THE IT'S THERE'S A PACKET I GIVE TO THE CITY. THAT I DON'T WANT TO SAY, BUT YEAH, IN ORDER FOR YOU TO EVEN PROCEED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COME TO SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT. AND LIKE I SAID, I CAN PUT A SKIRT AROUND IT THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S ONLY TWO FOOT HIGH VERSUS THREE FOOT HIGH. WHICH IS THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AROUND HIS HOUSE. HE'S GOT HIS HOUSE IS NOT AS HIGH. I'M GOING TO RIDE BY IT WHEN WE LEAVE HERE. HIS HOUSE IS 30IN OFF THE GROUND. AND THEN HE'S GOT A SKIRT AROUND IT. THAT'S WHY IT DON'T LOOK LIKE IT'S SO HIGH BY 18 INCH TIMBERS. SO THE SKIRT COMES DOWN TO THE END OF THE 18 INCH, BUT IT'S STILL ON. I WAS TRYING TO GET YOU AN AGREEMENT FOR THE DAY. WHEN YOU WALK OUT HERE AND GET IT APPROVED. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO, IF YOU WANTED TO COME BACK. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. I MEAN, I'M COMPROMISING BY PUTTING A SKIRT THAT WILL LOWER THE LOOK OF IT ALONG THE FRONT. AND WHAT I MEAN BY SKIRT IS, MAN. HE'LL COME AROUND UP HERE. DOWN, DOWN. YEAH, YEAH. SO WE COME DOWN. SO BY LOWERING HEIGHT ABOVE GRAVE LOWERING BY ONE FOOT, OR HIM PUTTING A SKIRT. SO ARE YOU GOING TO COME ONE FOOT DOWN WITH A SKIRT ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND AND THAT'LL GIVE YOU YOUR 24IN. BUT IT'S STILL TALL. YEAH.
LET'S DO THIS. IS WHATEVER YOU DECIDE. I WILL SUPPORT YOU ALL THE WAY. WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WISH I COULD SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. WE PROBABLY CAN GO ON GOOGLE EARTH.
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AND MAKE HIM LANDSCAPING WHAT HE IS. HE HAS SHRUBS ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND HE HAS TO KEEP THE SHRUBS. WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE UNDER. AND WE CAN DO THAT. WELL, WE CAN, WE'LL REPLACE. WE CAN MAKE THEM WHERE THEY HAVE TO PUT SHRUBS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT, THE SOLID WALL. THEN YOU CAN'T SEE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. SHOULDN'T SEE IT SHOULDN'T SHOULDN'T BE SOLID BECAUSE HE HAS TO GO IN THE WATER. NO SHRUB IS GOING TO DRAIN BETWEEN THEM. YEAH, BUT NOT SOLID SHRUB. WHAT SOLID WHEN IT'S DRAINING. WHEN YOU GOING TO HAVE ONE HERE. IT'S GOING TO SPREAD OUT AND ONE HERE AND ONE HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN. AND THE WATER WILL FLOW OUT FROM THE BOTTOM. ANYWAY THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL OPEN. I'M NOT SURE SURE SURE. NO NO NO NO NO NO. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BREAK UP WITH YOU. BUT THE WATER WILL STILL FLOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. COME DOWN TO FOOT AND SHRUB. WELL I THINK ARCHITECTURAL. IT ALWAYS LOOKS BETTER IF YOU PUT SKIRTS OVER SKIRTING. THAT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE MISSING SHRUBS. AND THE SHRUB WOULD PROBABLY GO, OH, AND THIS IS THREE FOOT SHRUBS GOING TO GROW AT LEAST UP TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE ANYWAY. THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. YOU'D BE GOOD WITH THAT. SIR, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? CAN YOU COME TO THE RIGHT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. AGAIN.YOUR ADDRESS. WOULD YOU BE WOULD YOU BE OKAY? COMING DOWN THE FOOT WITH THE SKIRT. BUT THEN WE WOULD WANT YOU TO PUT SHRUBS ACROSS THE FRONT OF THIS THING. OH, NOT SOLID, NOT SOLID.
BUT YEAH, NO, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO DO A IF YOU PUT SHRUBS ACROSS THE FRONT. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SIDE BY SIDE. RIGHT. YEAH I KNOW WHAT. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. CAN YOU PUT THE PICTURE UP JUST ACROSS THE FRONT OF IT. YEAH. THAT WAY IT'S GOING TO BREAK UP THAT LOOKING LIKE A BEACH HOUSE KIND OF. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. AND AND HONESTLY, THE SHORT ABOUT THREE FOOT HIGH ANYWAY. YEAH. SO YOU WON'T BE SEEING THIS. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING, RIGHT.
IF YOU CAN DO THAT. YEAH. NO, WE'RE GOING TO PLANT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND STUFF. THAT'S JUST THIS. PUT THAT IN YOUR REQUIREMENT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH. NO, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE LIZ? WELL, STILL THINK WE GET BACK TO THE DOORS AND WINDOWS TREATMENT. ON YOUR SLIDING DOORS. CAN YOU PUT MAYBE A LIKE A WELL, THERE CAN BE A FRENCH DOOR AS FAR AS THAT GOES. WELL, DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT. CAN IT BE MAYBE A SOLID DOOR, LIKE A LIKE A. WHY WOULD I PUT A SOLID DOOR ON IT? WHY NOT HAVE SOMETHING WITH A LIGHT IN IT WOULD AT LEAST LIKE A 12 LIGHT. WELL, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DO THEY HAVE DOORS OR THEY GOT SLIDING DOORS? IS YOUR HOUSE. I'M TALKING ABOUT A DOOR. IT HAS REGULAR DOORS. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A SMALL PORCH ACROSS. I'M NOT ASKING WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE. I'M ASKING WHAT YOU HAVE.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE? OKAY, SO IF IF WE WANT YOU TO PUT A REGULAR DOOR, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT ON BOTH SIDES? ON THAT END? IN THIS END, YEAH, I CAN PUT A REGULAR DOOR THERE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SOLID DOOR. I'M GONNA HAVE A DOOR WITH A WINDOW IN IT, AND THERE IS NUMEROUS DOORS WITH WINDOWS IN THEM ALONG LAKESHORE DRIVE. YEAH, RIGHT. BUT BUT YOU CAN PUT A LIKE A REGULAR DOOR. SO I MEAN, IT CAN HAVE HALF, I MEAN GLASS IN IT. WELL THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO NOWADAYS AND LIKE YOU SPOKE OF EARLIER, BUT THIS IS ALMOST LIKE I'M TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM WOOD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. YOU CAN GET A METAL DOOR THAT'S GOT THE SAME THING. YEAH. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WOOD. OKAY, OKAY, I'LL STOP BY AND GET A CHECK. THREE FOOT DOORS OR A 36 INCH OR A 42 INCH, WHATEVER. BUT IT'S THE THE PATIO DOOR LOOK LIKE IT'S ON A TERRACE OR SOMETHING. AND THAT THAT'S IN OUR OPINION. YEAH. WE THINK THAT THAT DOES NOT FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH US OR NOT ON THAT. NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S DOORS LIKE THAT EVERYWHERE. BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU OKAY WITH PUTTING A SOLID DOOR? WELL, IF YOU GOT GLASS IN IT OR WHATEVER, THAT'S FINE. AND IT COULD BE METAL. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WOOD. YEAH. I CAN PUT A SOLID DOOR THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, YOU WOULD ALSO ADD SOME SAFETY PROTECTION WITH, WELL THE STREET TRAFFIC GOING BY. WE DON'T HAVE STREET TRAFFIC. NO, WE DON'T HAVE STREET TRAFFIC ON BLEDSOE PLACE. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE ON BOTH ENDS RIGHT. YEAH. ON BOTH SIDES. OKAY. WHAT ELSE LIZ. WELL THINK AGAIN WOULD BE THE
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THE WINDOWS. SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE. OKAY. COMPATIBLE ON YOUR WINDOWS. THE WELL MEMBERS IN THE MIDDLE, THE LITTLE SQUARE PANELS. YEAH. THE WHAT YOU CALL THEM LIGHTS. THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REFERRED TO AS LIGHTS. OKAY. WELL LIGHTS OR WHATEVER. YEAH.THE LITTLE BANDS THAT GO HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL. RIGHT. YOU WANT THEM WIDER, THE WATER ONES. WELL, WHAT IF I JUST LEAVE THEM OUT ALTOGETHER? LEAVE WHAT OUT THE LIGHT AND JUST MAKE IT SOLID, A SOLID FRAME WINDOW. LIKE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? RIGHT THERE ON, ON LAKE SHORE DRIVE. THAT SOMETHING DECORATIVE. THEY LIKE THAT. HE LIKED THE DESIGN IN IT.
WELL, NOW YOU YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THIS IS A RENTAL PROPERTY, OKAY? AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. AND I'M TRYING TO GET AS MUCH STUFF AS I CAN. THAT'S OFF THE SHELF IN CASE SOMEBODY COMES BY AND BREAKS A WINDOW. I'M NOT 3 OR 4 WEEKS OUT ORDERING A SPECIAL WINDOW WITH A SPECIAL PANE IN IT. THAT'S A HELL OF A NICE LOOKING RENTAL PROPERTY. IT IS CORPORATE RENTAL. WHAT WERE THE COMMENTS ON THE WINDOWS AGAIN? COMMISSIONERS? I'M SORRY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT. WELL, MY COMMENT ON THOSE WAS NOT. WELL WAS TO HAVE IT WHERE ONCE WHERE THE FRAMING IS A LITTLE BIT HEFTIER. AND A LIGHTS PANEL THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE OUR DESIGN STANDARDS. AS I REMEMBER THE. THAT NUMBER OF, OF LIGHTS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE, THE STANDARDS BOOK. AND THE LIGHTS. WHAT DID YOU RECOMMEND FOR THE LIGHTS AGAIN? MR. MCMAHON. I'M SORRY THAT THEY BE A PATTERN THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS. HOLD ON. OKAY. WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE DESIGN STANDARDS. I THINK WE GOT LIKE FOUR PANELS. YEAH, THERE'S DIFFERENT ONES. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS JEFFREY DICKEY AGAIN. 324 BLEDSOE PLACE, THE CONTEMPORARY HOUSE THAT USED TO BE STUCCO ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S BEEN METAL CLAD.
IT HAS NINE OVER NINE MODERN WINDOWS IN IT, NINE PANE, OVER NINE PANE. SO YOU KNOW. WELL, THERE'S A DIFFERENT SELECTION OF STYLES IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS. YOU KNOW, CHOOSE ONE.
WELL I MEAN, BUT THAT WAS BACK IN THE 60S WHEN THE HOUSE REALLY WASN'T CONSIDERED CLASSIC. OKAY, YOU CAN'T GO BACK THERE. WHAT WE WANT TO DO, SIR. WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? RICHARD. MR. RICHARD, SELECT A WINDOW DESIGN OUT OF OUR STANDARD, AND STAFF WILL SHOW YOU WHAT YOU CAN PICK OUT OF FOR THE DESIGN. OKAY. AND WE GO WITH THAT FOR. OKAY. I'M TRYING TO GET IT WHERE WE CAN GET THIS THING APPROVED FOR YOU. OKAY. AND SO I'M SAYING IF YOU CAN PICK A DESIGN OUT OF THE STANDARD, WE SHOULD BE OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING, LARRY. AS LONG AS YOU PICK ONE OUT OF THE DESIGN, YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE WINDOWS. OKAY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND EVEN FOR THE FOR THE DOOR, YOU PICK SOMETHING OUT OF DESIGN. WE SHOULD BE GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY? OKAY. ALRIGHT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, MA'AM. I KNOW THAT THE PERSON THAT JUST LEFT WAS HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE DIDN'T SPEAK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS, THAT HER FENCE WAS TORN DOWN FOR THIS PROJECT. HER FENCE? IT WAS A NEIGHBOR. I'M NOT SURE. YES, I SPOKE WITH HER A WEEK OR SO AGO, AND SHE SHE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE FENCE. AND SHE SAYS THAT I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT HER FENCE? SHE SAID A FENCE WAS TURNED DOWN. SHE DIDN'T SAY IT WAS HER FENCE. SHE SAID HER FENCE WAS TORN DOWN AND SHE WAS JUST COMING TO A MEETING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOOD AND, AND A FENCE WOULD BE PUT UP THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT WAS BEFORE. THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS WANTING. I MEAN, I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE DIDN'T TALK OR SPEAK ON THAT ISSUE TODAY, BUT I GUESS SHE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO. BUT SHE SPOKE TO ME. RICHARD LONG 227.
BLEDSOE PLACE SO I CAN SPEAK ON THE FENCE. SO I SPOKE TO MISS HEMPHILL BACK PROBABLY 3 OR 4
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MONTHS AGO AND TOLD HER THAT I HAD PURCHASED A PROPERTY THERE AND THAT I HAD LOOKED AT A LIGHT POLE THAT WAS IN THE BACK CORNER ON HER PROPERTY. AND I HAD ENTERGY COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT. THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO REPLACE IT. WELL, FROM THE POMPEII AND VILLA, THEIR PROPERTY HAS GOT A LOT OF BAMBOO TREES AND STUFF. THAT'S A BREAK BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE BAMBOO OR EXCUSE ME, POMPEII, VILLA PROPERTY. ALL OF THAT OVERGROWTH HAS PUSHED OUR FENCES DOWN IN THE BACK. SO WHAT I WAS DOING WAS REPAIRING THAT FENCE ON THAT CORNER. SO THE FENCE IS BACK UP. IT'S BEEN REPAIRED. I'VE JUST GOT TO PUT THE TOP RAIL UP AND THAT'S ALL THAT'LL BE LEFT TO DO TO THAT FENCE. BUT THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS SPEAKING. OKAY. SHE'S STILL GOT SOME MORE FENCE REPAIR THAT'S GOT TO BE DONE. BUT THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT, YOU KNOW, I HAD DONE IN REPAIRING BECAUSE THE PART THAT I REPAIRED WAS THE PART THAT WAS BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND HER PROPERTY. OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS SPEAKING ON ABOUT THAT FENCE. DOES SHE LIVE ON LAKESHORE? YES, MA'AM. YEAH, SHE LIVES ON LAKESHORE. THAT'S THAT THE. YEAH. IT'S THAT ONE LITTLE HOUSE THAT'S UP CREAM COLORED. YES, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY IT. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. SO IT LOOKED LIKE IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS GOING TO PUT THE SHRUBS. HE'S GOING TO PUT A ONE FOOT SKIRT AND THE SHRUBS ALL ACROSS THE FRONT. AND THEY SHOULD GROW AT LEAST THREE FOOT TALL SHRUBS. THE SHRUBS. YEAH. GO AT LEAST THREE FOOT. HE'S GOING TO DO THE WINDOWS. HE'S GOING TO PICK IT OUT FROM THE STANDARD DESIGN GUIDE. YEAH.AND THE DOOR. WAS THERE ANYTHING WITH THE RAILS LIST. ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT OR. WELL I THINK HE SAID HE WOULD LOOK AT MAKING IT A LITTLE POSSIBLE. VERTICAL RAILS INSTEAD OF HORIZONTAL. OKAY. CAN I SHOW YOU SOMETHING? OKAY, SURE. SO. HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT? I CAN'T SEE THAT I DO THAT, OR WE SHOULD HAVE YOUR HOUSE UP HERE ON OUR SCREEN. WELL, I CAN'T SEE NOTHING. THIS IS LIVE. THIS IS SOMETHING SHE JUST DONE. OH, LOOK AT THAT. REALLY? HOLY MOLY.
HEY, I LIKE IT. NICE. THAT LOOK GOOD TO ME. BUT WOULD THAT SKIRTING ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND CAUSE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS? WELL, I CAN, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU NEED A DRAIN IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK AND THEN RUN IT OUT TO THE STREET. YEAH. DRAINAGE AND STUFF. ANYWAY, IF HE. AND IF HE LEFT HIMSELF 4 OR 5IN, THAT AIN'T GONNA HURT ANYBODY. NO. I MEAN, THE GRASS GO THAT TALL. YEAH. YOU GOT THE BARRIER DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE LITTLE POCKET. YEAH, THAT LOOKS GOOD. THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. YEAH, THAT LOOKS REAL GOOD. NOW, NOW, THE RAIL SERVICE, SIR. THE PICKETS ON THE RAIL. CAN WE GET THOSE VERTICAL. SO HERE'S THE REASON I DO THAT. THAT WAY TO HONOR THIS RIVER, THE SHIP AND THE DOCK. THAT IT LOOKED LIKE CABLE FOR THE MORNING SHIFT. SO.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WENT WITH THAT WAS DESIGNED ON THE PORCH AS FAR AS THAT. I THINK THE ROCK AT THE BOTTOM KIND OF SOFTENS. THAT TIES IT IN A LITTLE BETTER. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON FOR THAT WAS WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH. BY YOU PUTTING THE ROCK AT THE BOTTOM, HE SAID IT MAKES THE RAILS LOOK BETTER. YEAH. MAKE THE IT DOES MAKE THE RAILS LOOK BETTER. AND LIKE I SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON I USED THAT PARTICULAR DESIGN.
SO ARE YOU GOOD SIR? YEAH, MISS. EXCUSE. YES, YES. OKAY. GOOD. WITH THE SKIRT. CHANGE THE ROCK.
OF COURSE. IN THE FRONT. LET LET HIM SEND THAT TO YOU. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. SO Y'ALL HAVE THAT. OKAY. COULD YOU EMAIL IT TO LARRY? YEAH, LET ME SEND IT TO YOU. SO THE SKIRT, ONE FOOT. ARE WE STILL GOING WITH THE SKIRT? ONE FOOT. SO WHATEVER THAT IS, WHATEVER HE GOT RIGHT THERE WILL GREEN. OKAY. AND THEN AND THEN THE SHRUBS. DO YOU STILL WANT THOSE THREE FEET TALL IN FRONT SHRUBS? UNLESS YOU WANT A FOOT THAT'S ON HIM. OKAY. BECAUSE THOSE ROCKS. YES. TOOK CARE OF THAT. OKAY. SO NO SHRUBS WILL YOU STILL SHRUB. YOU STILL SHRUBS.
OKAY. SO THEY'RE NOT REQUIRING SHRUBS. IF YOU DO IT THAT WAY, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRING SHRUBS.
YEAH. PLEASE SEND US A PICTURE OF THAT. OKAY. SHE KNOWS ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS. AS
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LONG AS HE PICKS WINDOWS AND DOORS FROM THE DESIGN STANDARDS, THEN YOU'RE FINE WITH THAT. THE LIGHT PATTERN YOU WANT IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHATEVER THE DESIGN STANDARDS RECOMMENDED.YES, MA'AM. THAT'S IT. YES. AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THE ROOF AND THE ROOF. WITH THE ROOF. THE ROOF, THE SILVER. YEAH, YEAH, THE GAVEL TO GAVEL. THANK YOU. YOU TAUGHT ME SOMETHING THAT'LL WORK. OKAY, OKAY. SO IF ALL ARE IN FAVOR, SAY I. I MAKE A MOTION. OH, I'M SO SORRY. OKAY, SO HERE WE GO. BEING TAKEN OVER, I MOVED. YOU CAN START TODAY IF YOU WOULD LIKE. I WAS JUST HELPING PUSH THE PROCESS. SOMEBODY HAS TO MAKE A MOTION. YEAH. AND HE ASKED FOR A SECOND CHAIRMAN. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SIR, ARE YOU CALLING FOR A MOTION? ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED AMONG OURSELVES AND WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE IN AGREEMENT. EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SAY I, I SO MOVE. HOW ABOUT YOU MAKE IT SIMPLE. SO MOVE AND I'LL SECOND.
THERE YOU GO. MOTION MADE IN SECOND. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF ISSUING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS WE'VE DISCUSSED SAY I I ALL OPPOSED OKAY. IT'S APPROVED.
DID YOU VOTE. SHE CAME BACK. OH SHE CAN'T ON THE ON THE OPEN MEETING THAT TEXT WILL BE THAT SHE HAS TO HAVE A PICTURE WITH ME. I SEE HER I SEE YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU. BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD A COMMENT TO THE END OF THIS. I HAD MENTIONED THIS TO LARRY THAT WHEN I WAS ON THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK COMMISSION, THE LAST TIME IT MET, WE HAD A CASE WHERE LAMAR UNIVERSITY CAME TO US FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE STUDENT DORMS THAT THEY BUILT ON LAKESHORE. AND SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS REQUESTED THAT THEY LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THE COLORS AND PATTERNS AND WHATEVER. IT WAS KIND OF A 1909 PORT ARTHUR COLLEGE FRONT WITH 1970S 80S ARCHITECTURE. ON TOP OF IT. WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT. THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD MAKE LOOK AT MAKING CHANGES, AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT VOTED NO ON THE CERTIFICATE BECAUSE THERE.
ACCEPTANCE WAS VERY WEAK. AND SURE ENOUGH, THE BUILDING GOT BUILT EXACTLY LIKE THEY PRESENTED IT TO US WITH NO CHANGES. SO I'M ENCOURAGING YOU TO FOLLOW THROUGH IN GOOD FAITH AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT FINISHED. AND COMMISSIONER, AS AS I SAID, WHEN I ON THE PHONE, I'LL BE CHECKING AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WILL ALSO BE DOING IT.
BUT FOR THAT, WHEN LAMAR DID THAT, THAT PROJECT, I WASN'T HERE. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND SO I DID REACH OUT TO MY DIRECTOR AND SHE SAID, SHE'LL GET SHE'S OUT OF TOWN RIGHT NOW. SHE SAID SHE'LL GET BACK WITH ME. AS FOR AN EXPLANATION ON WHY THAT HAPPENED, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IF THEY AGREE TO IT, THEY DON'T DO IT. YOU JUST STOP IT.
YEAH, YEAH, THAT THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO WE'LL KEEP UP WITH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE CORRECTLY. IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW WHAT WE AGREE ON, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO.
YEAH. THAT'S THAT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT OKAY, I'M NOT A TEACHER, BUT I JUST GAVE YOU ALL A GOOD HISTORY LESSON. YEAH. THANK YOU. NO HOLD ON. ANY NEW BUSINESS AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE
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DESIGN STANDARDS. I DIRECTOR DOES WANT TO VOTE ON THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS.SO IF YOU CAN GO THROUGH THEM AND SEE ANY CHANGES YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE OR ANYTHING, JUST MAKE NOTE OF IT AND WE'LL MEET TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE APPROVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OTHER THAN THAT, I DO NOT KNOW WHEN OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE. SEND THOSE COMMENTS QUESTIONS, CHANGES TO YOU CAN SEND THEM ON OVER TO LARRY. HE'S OUR HISTORIC LANDMARK LIAISON, SO YOU CAN SEND IT OVER TO HIM. OKAY. IS THERE ANY WAY THEN WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR A MEETING TO BE SCHEDULED TO DO THE ACTUAL. YES, SIR. SHE DOES PLAN ON ADOPTING THIS YEAR AND APPROVE. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. OTHER THAN THAT, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION. OH. GO AHEAD. I'M SO SORRY. I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. BUT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, SO. YEAH, I JUST I JUST ASK THAT THESE ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS BE GIVEN TO ANY INTERESTED PROPERTY OR ANY PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING. YES,
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MA'AM. THAT THEY GET THAT EARLY ON IN THEIR IN THEIR PROCESS FOR CONSIDERATION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS SITUATION HAPPEN. I AGREE 100%. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT NEXT TIME, OTHER THAN THAT, WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALL RIGHT. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? OH. DOUBLE SECOND. HOW ABOUT THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. HEY. NO APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.