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ALLOWS THEM TO CALL. HELLO. YEAH. THAT'S NOT GOING TO. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS THE PLANNING
[I. Chairperson’s Opening Remarks]
AND ZONING COMMISSION, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, TEXAS. IT IS NOW 5:30 P.M. ON MONDAY, MAY 28TH.APRIL. APRIL. APRIL. APRIL. APRIL. APRIL 20TH. I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE YEAR PAST. I NEED TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. ZULIMA. ESCOBIDO. DWIGHT. WAGNER. WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE NEED TO GET
[IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING APPROVED. HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THEM? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM. I SECOND. MOTION MADE IN SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? I PASS ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THIS. AGENDA. IS THERE ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS?[VI. NEW BUSINESS - PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS (INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION)]
NO, MA'AM. NO. ALL RIGHT. NEW BUSINESS, PUBLIC HEARING. INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ALL RIGHT. YES, MA'AM. CASE NUMBER Z 2604. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS KENNETH RAY RICE JUNIOR. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2219 CANAL STREET, JC. PARCEL NUMBER 86925. AND THE REQUEST TYPE IS A ZONING DISTRICT. CHANGE IN THE PORT ACRES ADDITION. THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION IS LOT 17 PART BLOCK. PART OF BLOCK SEVEN. LOT ONE PART OF BLOCK 32 TRIANGULAR TRACT PORT ACRES.ADDITION. CITY OF PORT ARTHUR. JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 0.2987 ACRES OF LAND. THE CURRENT ZONING IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS COMMERCIAL RETAIL. THE ABUTTING ZONES NORTH, WEST AND EAST ARE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE SOUTH IS COMMERCIAL RETAIL. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO A COMMERCIAL RETAIL DISTRICT FOR THE OPERATION OF A CAR WASH. AN APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON OR AROUND MARCH 25TH, 2026, REQUESTING THE ZONING ZONING DISTRICT CHANGE TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A CAR WASH. ON FRIDAY, MARCH 27TH, 2026, 13 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWSPAPER, A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE PNC PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY, APRIL 20TH, 2026. AND THAT IS ALL, COMMISSIONERS. OKAY, HOW WE RUN THIS HERE, THIS COMMISSION MEETING? IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO IS FOR THIS CHANGE? BUT NOW IT'S THE ZONING CHANGE. YOU HAVE TO STAND HERE, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US WHY YOU AGREE THAT THIS SHOULD BE HERE. AND AFTER THAT, ANYONE IN DISAGREEMENT WILL DO THE SAME. YES, MA'AM. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? IS THE. BECAUSE THERE'S A CAR LOT. I MEAN A CAR WASH ALREADY ON THERE? YES, MA'AM.
SO IT WASN'T OPERATING BEFORE THE ORDINANCE CHANGED. SO NOW HE HAS TO REQUEST A ZONE CHANGE BECAUSE HE CAN'T HAVE IT IN THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT NOW. SO IT'S THE SAME.
IT'S THE SAME ONE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. OKAY, GREAT. IT'S ALREADY AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. OKAY. AND I WILL SAY WHEN WE WENT, ME AND LARRY WENT OUT TO THE ZONE CHANGE SITE. WE DID. WE RECEIVED NOTHING BUT POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK YOUR MIC IS ON. OKAY. LETTERS IN AGREEMENT OR NO DISAGREEMENT OR ANYTHING, BUT WHEN WE WENT OUT, A GROUP OF GUYS DID WALK UP TO US WHO LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DID RECEIVE THE LETTER AND SAID THEY WERE ALL FOR IT. SO THIS IS A FORD EXPEDITION. I THINK THEY NEED ONE OUT THERE. OKAY, THE NEXT. OH, COME TO THE OKAY, COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM.
NO, NO. IS THIS ABOUT THE ZONING? YES. COME ON UP. AND ALSO, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE AS WELL. GREAT. GOOD TO MEET THE OWNER. YOU CAN OPEN UP THE FLOOR. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. OH, OKAY. THE GENTLEMAN. YOU READY TO COME UP? STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS. AND WHERE ARE YOU GOING FOR WANTING THIS DONE? WELL, HE'S SPEAKING, SO REMEMBER, WE HAVE TO SPEAK FOR AND THEN SPEAK. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE I SAID THAT EARLIER. OKAY, SO SPEAK FOR NO AGAIN. OH, OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'S SPEAKING FOR. ALL RIGHT. SPEAKING AGAINST THIS CAR WASH, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS GREGORY KELLER. I LIVE AT 2239 NORTH STREET, PORT ARTHUR, TEXAS, 77640. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT AT 2239 NORMA FOR 28 YEARS. THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY
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HAS ALWAYS HAD A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN IT WAS A CAR WASH BEFORE, IT BROUGHT ALL TYPES OF PEOPLE TO IT AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. LOUD MUSIC, PEOPLE DUMPING THEIR TRASH IN THE PARKING LOT, PEOPLE DOING DRUG DEALS IN THE PARKING LOT.THERE'S FIGHTS OVER THERE. THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY BEEN ANY PARKING LOT LIGHTING OR ANY NO TRESPASSING SIGNS, LOITERING SIGNS OR ANYTHING PUT UP IN THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT I KNOW OF.
IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE VACANT FOR TEN YEARS. NOTHING'S BEEN DONE TO IT UNTIL JUST HERE RECENTLY. I SEEN SOME WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AS FAR AS SOME ROOFING AND SOME PAINTING. BUT UP UNTIL THEN, THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN NOTHING OVER THERE. IT'S BEEN RUNDOWN, JUST BRINGING VAGRANT, SLEEPING INSIDE THE STALLS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND I LIVE DIRECTLY OUT MY FRONT WINDOW. I'M LOOKING DIRECTLY AT IT. OKAY. THERE'S BEEN NOBODY TRYING TO KEEP IT LOOKING RESPECTABLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN AFFECTING MY PROPERTY VALUE FOR AS FAR AS MY TAXES, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF MY HOME AND MY KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE CARS PARKED IN THE OLD CAR WASH STALLS AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. WE DON'T FEEL SAFE WALKING OUT TO THE MAILBOX TO GET THE MAIL.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MIGHT DO. I HAVE A TEN YEAR OLD AND A SIX YEAR OLD CHILD THAT HAVE TO PLAY OUT IN THE YARD. I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM OUT IN THE YARD WHEN THEY'RE BY THEMSELVES.
WE DON'T NEED THE EXTRA TRAFFIC IN THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE RULES TO FOLLOW. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE A CAR WASH AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE, THE GRIT TRAPS THERE IN THOSE STALLS, ARE THEY GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE? OKAY. SO I AM AGAINST REZONING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL CAR WASH BUSINESSES HAVE CHANGED A LOT IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
THERE ARE LOTS OF THEM IN THE PORT ARTHUR AREA. I FEEL LIKE THIS BUSINESS WILL NOT LAST VERY LONG. THEN ONCE IT'S APPROVED FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, I THINK ANOTHER TYPE BUSINESS WILL MOVE INTO THIS LOCATION AND THEN THERE WILL BE NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT. I DIDN'T GET THE LETTER IN THE MAIL BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING OUT OF TOWN FOR TWO WEEKS, BUT I DID. I SEEN A SIGN TODAY. THERE WAS A SIGN POSTED AT THAT PROPERTY TODAY. I HADN'T SEEN THAT SIGN UNTIL TODAY. SO I'M KIND OF BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL ON THIS. BUT JUST MY LITTLE BIT TODAY TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS. I'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR. I HAD FOUR OF THEM KIND OF SIGNED MY LETTER SAYING THEY'RE AGAINST IT. AND THEY'RE I THINK EVERY ONE OF THEM IS IN THAT 200FT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY'RE TALKING TO, BUT I THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THIS BUSINESS. IF I'D HAD A LITTLE MORE TIME, I PROBABLY COULD HAVE GOT A FEW MORE SIGNATURES BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL AT WORK TODAY BEFORE I CAME UP HERE. AND IF Y'ALL HAVE JUST A MINUTE, I'VE GOT ANOTHER LETTER FROM THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR THAT COULDN'T COME. SHE ASKED ME IF I COULD READ IT.
SHE SAID, OH YES, MA'AM. OKAY, I EMAILED IT. I EMAILED IT TO THIS AFTERNOON. I SENT THE EMAIL TO PAMELA AND LARRY. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 4:00 OR SO, BUT I DID SEND THE EMAIL. I DO HAVE THE LETTER. Y'ALL GOT MINE. THIS IS THE ONE. I HAVE MY SIGNATURE AND I HAVE THREE OTHER PEOPLE SIGNED IT. AND THEN I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. YEAH, I DIDN'T IT WAS CERTIFIED. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET IT. LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN WORKING OUT OF TOWN.
I HAD SOMETHING IN MY MAILBOX WHEN I GOT BACK, BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO GET THE LETTER. BUT MY, MY CURIOSITY TOO IS HOW LONG WAS THAT SIGN SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED IN THE FRONT OF THAT BUSINESS SAYING THEY WERE HAVING A MEETING TODAY? IT'S NOT MANDATORY. IT'S NOT MANDATORY. OKAY, OKAY. YEAH. FIRST TIME I SEEN IT WAS TODAY. YEAH. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE THE LETTER. I GOT TWO OF THE SAME ONE. I'M SORRY. I LEFT IT IN THE TRUCK, BUT IT'S BASICALLY STATING THE SAME THING THAT I SAID. I COULD. I CAN'T GO GET IT. I. OKAY, I DO HAVE IT IN THE TRUCK. SOMEHOW. I JUST DIDN'T BRING IT. I THOUGHT I HAD MINE IN HERS, BUT I'VE JUST GOT MINE. DO YOU HAVE A. I'VE GOT THE. IT'S IN MY TRUCK. OKAY. DO YOU SEE WHAT NEED THAT DID GO AGAIN WITH THE COUNCIL. THEY DO THE SAME THING. WE DO THE SECOND VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT.
OKAY, I CAN BRING IT TO YOU IN JUST A FEW. I CAN RUN AND GET. IT WOULDN'T TAKE ME BUT A FEW MINUTES. I DON'T KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE LEFT. A RECAP. DON'T YOU AGREE? THE MEETING.
BUT YOU HAVE ANOTHER HEARING, WHICH IS SOMETHING. I DID SEND IT TO AN EMAIL THOUGH. DID THEY? AROUND 4:00. YOU SAID BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY IT HAD TO BE PRESENTED. YEAH. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. I COULD READ IT OFF MY PHONE. OKAY. I GOTTA TAKE A PICTURE OF IT. HOLD ON A SECOND.
I DO HAVE IT ON MY PHONE. SHE SENT ME A TEXT MESSAGE THIS MORNING. DO YOU WANT TO READ IT?
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THAT'S FINE. YOU PROBABLY READ IT BETTER THAN I CAN. HERE IT IS. RIGHT HERE. IT STARTS RIGHT HERE. HER NAME IS DONNA THOMPSON. MISS ARIES, CAN WE ASK A QUESTION? SO LET'S SAY THAT IF IT LET'S JUST SAY. I'M NOT SAYING BECAUSE I KNOW. NOW WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THESE THESE NEW ITEMS, LET'S SAY, GETS APPROVED. DON'T THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY HAVE TO PUT IT UP TO CODE? BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE BEEN OUT THERE A LONG TIME AGO AND IT WAS VERY. I DON'T KNOW, NOT TAKEN CARE OF. RIGHT. SO, SO WILL THEY WILL THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF WE WANT, IF, IF IT GETS APPROVED, IF IT DOES, I WOULD NOT WANT IT TO BE AN EYESORE RIGHT. TO THE RESIDENTS.IT WOULD HAVE TO BE UPDATED WITH NEW PLUMBING LINES. AND SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. GO AHEAD.
OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE THEY JUST REOPEN IT LIKE SO. THAT'S MY QUESTION. SO WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING. SO HE'S AWARE OF EVERYTHING HE NEEDS TO DO AS FAR AS GRIT TRAPS OR ANYTHING IN ORDER TO COME UP TO CODE BEFORE HE CAN EVEN GET A CO. SO HE IS AWARE.
SO EVERYTHING DOES HAVE TO BE PUT UP TO THE CURRENT CODE. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND ALSO YOU SAID HER ADDRESS IS 2230 STREET NEXT TO MINE ON 2339. IS THE OWNER HERE AS WELL? YES. HIS USES.
ARE YOU THE OWNER? YOU'RE THE BAD, RIGHT? THE DAD? OH, THE DAD OR THE OWNER? OKAY. HE UNDERSTAND THAT I ASKED FOR THE PEOPLE FOR THIS FIRST. DONALDSON, PLEASE. 2029. YOU'VE GOT TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY, I THINK. AND THIS IS HER LETTER. THAT'S HERS. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY.
I'LL READ THIS LETTER INTO THE RECORD. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2219 CANAL STREET.
AND THIS IS FROM DONNA TOM PLATE AT 22 2229 NORMA STREET. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT ON NORMA STREET FOR 48 YEARS. I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS REZONING FROM A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO A COMMERCIAL RETAIL DISTRICT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. NUMBER ONE, I DO NOT WANT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, NOT ONLY THE CARS ON THE ROAD, BUT THE PEOPLE, NOISE AND SAFETY RISKS THAT COMES WITH IT. WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH VANDALISM ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. AS IT IS, THEY OFTEN BREAK BOTTLES AND LEAVE GLASS PIECES ALL OVER. THEY DUMP GARBAGE AND TRY AND TIRES ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. NUMBER TWO, WE ALREADY HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES. THIS INCREASES THE RISK OF ESCALATING THAT PROBLEM. NUMBER THREE, THIS IS ALSO. THIS ALSO HAS POTENTIAL TO AFFECT THE PROPERTY VALUE. OVERALL I FEEL IT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT MY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY PROPERTY VALUE. AND I OPPOSE THIS REZONING. OUR HOME IS OUR SAFE PLACE. WE WANT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN OUR HOMES AND FEEL SAFE. OVER THE YEARS, THE CHANGES MADE IN MY COMMUNITY HAVE ONLY NEGATIVELY AFFECTED MY PROPERTY AND HOME AND HOME AND SAFETY. THIS WOULD BE YET ANOTHER DISAPPOINTMENT AND NEGATIVE IMPACT. I HAVE EMAILED THIS TO THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS. PAMELA LANGFORD AT PORT ARTHUR, TEXAS.GOV. AND I WILL ALSO BE SENDING IT WITH MY NEIGHBOR TO READ ON BEHALF AS I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND. THANK YOU DONNA TOM PLATE. OKAY, SHE'S THE CITY MANAGER SO SHE'S PROBABLY SWAMPED, BUT WHAT'S YOUR. CAN YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OH, YOU'RE THE FIRST ON THE LIST. OKAY, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE. SO IF LET'S SAY WE DID MAKE IT COMMERCIAL, THEY CAN ALSO CHANGE IT TO ANOTHER TYPE OF BUSINESS IF THEY DECIDED TO. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE I'M CONSIDERING JUST. THAT'S CORRECT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO TAKE ALL THOSE FACTORS INTO A DECISION THAT WE TAKE. WELL, AND I'VE ALSO GOT ONE OTHER QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN ASK THE OWNER. THERE'S A LIKE A PORTABLE BUILDING THEY'VE HAULED IN ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEYOND REPAIR. THE ROOF'S PRETTY MUCH BLOWN OFF OF IT. YEAH. AND IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 2 OR 3 YEARS PROBABLY, I THINK AT LEAST TWO YEARS. THAT'S WHAT I LOOK OUT MY FRONT DOOR WHEN I SEE IT EVERY DAY. IT'S JUST SITTING THERE, JUST EMPTY BUILDING. I MEAN, I THINK THE CITY'S TAGGED IT SEVERAL TIMES, WANTING TO REMOVE THE BUILDING. THEY NEVER HAVE. YOU LOOK INSIDE. IT'S JUST TOTALLY JUST ABOUT RUN INSIDE WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE WINDOW AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND MY DEAL WAS TOO. I DON'T. IS THIS A HAND WASHING CAR WASH PLACE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FULLY BLOWN? GETTING THE CAR WASH, WORKING AGAIN WITH THE WANDS AND BRUSHES? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. JUST KIND OF CURIOUS BECAUSE I'VE HEARD SOME RUMORS ABOUT OTHER BUSINESSES BEING THERE. CAR, LOTS OF BARBER SHOPS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU GOING TO SAY IT'S A CAR WASH TODAY, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. YOU KNOW WHEN IT GETS COLD AGAIN, THEN THEN THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING ELSE OVER THERE. AND LIKE I SAID, I WENT AROUND AND GOT 4 OR 5 SIGNATURES. I PROBABLY COULD HAVE GOT EVERYBODY IN THE ZONE TO TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THIS IF I HAD ANOTHER CHANCE. AND I WILL IF Y'ALL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, YES, THERE WILL BE A COUNCIL MEETING. YES. AND I JUST I JUST
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DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME BECAUSE I NEVER GOT THE LETTER. I SEEN THE SIGN TODAY. SO I CALLED THE NEIGHBOR AND SAID, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND SHE TOLD ME. SO SHE GAVE ME A COPY OF HER LETTER. SO I DID ALL THIS IN ABOUT THREE HOURS TIME. I'M SORRY, I'M NOT REALLY PREPARED, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING, BUT IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT EVERYBODY I TALK TO IS REALLY AGAINST IT. THEY LIKE HOW IT IS OUT THERE. I'M NOT TRYING TO KEEP ANYBODY FROM HAVING A BUSINESS. RIGHT. BUT THEY'VE HAD THAT PLACE FOR A LONG TIME. THEY JUST HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IS THERE SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR THIS CAR WASH ZONE? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME, KENNETH RICE, AND THAT'S MY SON. THAT'S HIS BUSINESS. BUT MY SON IS UNDER.HE'S SICK RIGHT NOW. AND HE. HE PARALYZED NECK DOWN. AND HE WAS WORKING AT MOTIVA FOR LIKE 13, 14 YEARS. AND HE WENT WENT OUT THE JOB WITH CIDP, IF YOU EVER HEARD OF THAT. AND HE TOOK HIS RETIREMENT MONEY AND BOUGHT HIS PLACE OF BUSINESS. WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON MAKING THIS PLACE A BUSINESS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL KIND OF STRAGGLERS COMING THROUGH, DUMPING TRASH OUT, THIS KIND OF STUFF. MY SON LIVE IN PORT ACRES ON 5959 MARK. HE GOT FOUR KIDS AND HIS WIFE WORK AT THE SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE, AND HE GOT HIS BUSINESS WITH HE TRYING TO DO BECAUSE HE HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IT WAS. HE JUST HE TOOK HIS MONEY AND BROUGHT IT.
HE WORKING ON COMPUTERS. HE HE CAN'T MOVE AROUND. SO YOU KNOW, HOW COMPUTER. HE HE REAL SMART MINDED AND BUSINESS MINDED, BUT HE GET ON THE COMPUTER AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT STUFF AND HE PURCHASED IT AND HEY, HE SAID, HEY, I COULD UPGRADE THIS HERE AND WE CAN MAKE A DEAL. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE DETAILED CAR WASH IS GOING TO BE FROM LIKE 9 TO 7 ON MONDAYS. THEY CLOSED 9 TO 7, 9:00 IN THE MORNING TO SEVEN IN THE EVENING. AFTER SEVEN IN THE EVENING, EVERYTHING GOING TO BE CLOSED DOWN. AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A FULL CAR WASH. YEAH, IT'S A HAND WASH, CAR WASH, HAND WASH. YES. IT'S NO DON'T HAVE NO PRESSURE WASHERS. AND AFTER 9:00, I MEAN AFTER 7:00. THAT'S IT. THE DETAIL SHOT. IT'S LIKE A DETAIL CAR WASH. IT'S NOT NO SPRAY. YOU CAN JUST PULL UP AND PUT QUARTERS IN THE MACHINE. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NOTHING LIKE THAT. AND HOW LONG HAS HE HAD THAT PROPERTY? MY SON BROUGHT THAT PROPERTY I THINK AROUND THE FIRST OF THIS YEAR. OH, HE BARELY BOUGHT IT. OKAY. HE JUST GOT IT. YEAH, HE JUST HE JUST PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, BUT HE BEEN LIVING IN PORT ACRES FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS AT THE HOUSE HE'S STAYING IN. AND HE GOT MORE LOTS IN PORT ACRES OUT THERE, BUT HE DIDN'T PURCHASE OUT THERE. HE'LL RELATIVES UP PROTOCOLS. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT WE WE AIN'T LOOKING TO HAVE OUR KIND OF STRAGGLERS AND PEOPLE SMOKING DOPE AND ALL THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT NO DOPE SMOKER. I RETIRED FROM TOTAL AND I'M I NEVER DID MESS WITH DRUGS. SO WE NOT THAT KIND OF PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY'S LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW, WE TRYING TO KNOW SOMEBODY ELSE'S HEART. WE'RE THINKING THIS IS THE PREVIOUS OWNER, RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. THEY HAD IT A LONG TIME, RIGHT. THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I WAS I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP ME MAKE A DECISION. IF YOU'VE HAD IT FOR TEN, 15 YEARS AND YOU'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING, I WOULD BE LIKE, WHY NOW? RIGHT? BUT SOMEONE NEW TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, GIVES US A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF IT. SO THAT WAS, I WAS, I WAS ASKING THAT. YEAH.
ONLY CONCERN IS YOU SAID A HAND WASH. HOW MANY STALLS ARE THERE NOW? IT'S LIKE FOUR STALLS, BUT IT'S FOUR STALLS. BUT HE GOT, HE GOT FOUR PEOPLE GOING TO BE WORKING THE CAR WASH EVERY DAY, GOING TO BE FOUR PEOPLE HAND WASHING AND BACKING AND WAXING AND THIS AND THAT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REDO THIS COMPLETE. YEAH. HE HE WE PLANNING ON DOING WHATEVER THE CITY NEED US TO DO JUST TO UPGRADE EVERYTHING WE THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S OUR PLANS. BUT WE HAD TO, WE JUST TRYING TO GET IT TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR US TO FIX IT UP. THE CODE. I THINK ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IS THE FACT THAT THIS CAR WASH HAND WASH DOES NOT WORK OUT IN A YEAR. THEN THE OWNER HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE IT INTO WHATEVER HE CHOOSES. AT THAT POINT, WE CAN'T STOP THAT BECAUSE THEN WE REASON FOR HIM TO DO WHAT HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO. NOW, MISS ERIC, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, YOU GUYS SAID THAT THERE
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WAS A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, AM I RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. NONE OF THIS CAME OUT. NONE OF. NONE OF WHAT? NONE OF WHAT MR. RICE IS SAYING. HE CAME WITH AN IDEA WITH THE PROPERTY, AND WE JUST TOLD HIM HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GET IT COMPLETELY REDONE. HE JUST HAS TO BRING IT UP TO CODE. WE TOLD HIM EVERYTHING HE NEEDED TO DO TO GET IT UP TO CODE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT. NO MA'AM. OKAY.WELL, THANK YOU. MR. MR. RICE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBOR HAS. YOU SAID IT WOULD CLOSE AT 7 P.M. YES. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A MAYBE A NO LOITERING OR NO TRESPASSING SIGN AFTER SEVEN TO SORT OF ALLAY THE FEARS THAT THE NEIGHBORS MIGHT HAVE, POST SOME SIGNS UP. AND, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD ASKED FOR SOME CODES WITH ONCE WE GET THE MOVING WITH IT, WE POST SIGNS, WE'RE GOING TO POST CAMERAS UP AND HAVE LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING WHERE PEOPLE COULD BE ABLE TO SEE ONCE IT'S CLOSED UP, YOU HAVE CAMERAS AROUND THE BUILDING. SO IF ANYBODY COMES UP THROWING TRASH OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CAMERAS OUT THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT SOME CAMERAS OUT THERE. NOW THE PICTURE WE HAVE SHOWS A PORTABLE BUILDING OUT THERE. DID YOU JUST PUT THAT BUILDING THERE OR WAS IT THERE WHEN HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY? IT WAS THERE WHEN HE BROUGHT THE PROPERTY. IS IT GOING TO BE REMOVED? WELL ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO UPDATE IT? WHATEVER WE COULD DO WITH IT. ONCE WE GET THE MOVING WITH IT, WE GOT SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT IT ALREADY TO TRY TO FIX THAT. AND WE DO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT. ARE 26-13. YES MA'AM. CASE NUMBER R26-13. HERE WE GO.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR. THE PROPERTY LOCATION IS NORTHWEST OF ROME.
DOCTOR RANSOM HOWARD STREET AND SOUTH OF REVEREND RAYMOND SCOTT AVENUE. JACOB PARCEL NUMBER.
9565495647956529565595650956539, AND 95648. THE REQUEST TYPE IS AN APPROVAL OF A REPLAT IN THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR. THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A REPLAT REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING. A REPLAY OF ALL OF BLOCK R 22 CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. THE NEW TRACK NAME. FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO REPLAT OF ALL OF BLOCK R 22, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. THE TOTAL LOT DIMENSIONS ARE 90,000FT■!S. THE TOTAL ACREAGE S 2.064 ACRES OF LAND. THE CURRENT ZONING IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL. THE ABUTTING ZONES NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST ARE ALL COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT IS TO COMBINE MULTIPLE LOTS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO. AN APPLICATION FOR A REPORT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND ZONING ON OR AROUND MARCH 20TH, 2026, AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT IS TO COMBINE MULTIPLE LOTS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO ON THURSDAY, MARCH 26TH, 2026, TEN NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWSPAPER, A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE TODAY'S SCHEDULED PUBLIC PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING FOR TODAY, SCHEDULED FOR TODAY, APRIL 20TH, 2026. MY APOLOGIES, COMMISSIONERS. AND THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY ONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WANTING TO SPEAK FOR THIS ITEM? ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK AGAIN, ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK AGAIN? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? WELL, I KNOW THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MY DISTRICT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND I KNOW I HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH NEIGHBORS, BUT WE HAVE HAD WESTSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS ON OTHER ISSUES. AND I WILL SAY THIS NEVER CAME UP. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WESTSIDE NEIGHBORS DID NOT WANT THE WEST SIDE FIRE STATION TO BE MOVED AWAY FROM THE WEST SIDE. IT'S CURRENTLY ON GRAND AVENUE. AND I THINK WHEN THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT MOVING IT, OUR CONCERN WAS, WILL THEY BE MOVING IT FROM THE WEST SIDE COMMUNITY? AND APPARENTLY THEY'RE NOT. SO I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY OPPOSITION, AND I'M
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STILL A WEST SIDER AND PLAN TO BE ONE UNTIL. SO I'M IN SUPPORT. YES, SIR. THEY REALLY NEED A NEW FIRE STATION. YEAH, I'M 74 AND THAT STATION WAS THERE WHEN I WAS BORN. REALLY? SO IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE SPOT FOR HIM TO GO IN, IF ANYTHING AT ALL.WOW. ALTHOUGH THE THING IS, WAS COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR SPACE. SO IT'S GREAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD HAPPEN FOR THE WEST SIDE. I KNOW WE'RE GETTING A FEW OTHER FIRE STATIONS BUILT HERE IN THE CITY. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR. AND YES.
AND THE DESIGNS LOOK REALLY, REALLY NICE. YEAH. I LIKE TO SEE THE DRAWINGS. CASE NUMBER P2602. YES, MA'AM. CASE NUMBER P26-02. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS FREDERICO JORGE CARDENAS. LOPEZ, THE SURVEYOR AND ENGINEER IS ACCESS SURVEYORS. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF 58TH STREET AND EAST OF ROYAL AVENUE. J K PARCEL NUMBER (770) 157-7089 AND 77091. THE REQUEST IS TO CONSIDER THE APPROVAL OF A MINOR PLAT IN THE PALOMAR EDITION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A MINOR PLAT FOR THE FOLLOWING PLAT NAME.
LOPEZ EDITION ON 58TH STREET. THE CURRENT LEGAL DESCRIPTION. TRACK B LOT SEVEN THROUGH TEN.
TRACK ONE, LOT 11 AND 22. TRACK THREE. LOT 26. TRACK TWO. LOT 23 THROUGH 25. BLOCK 17. LOT 11 AND 26. TRACK TWO. LOT SEVEN THROUGH TEN. TRACK ONE. BLOCK 19. LOTS 11 THROUGH 12. TRACK ONE LOTS 26 AND 27. TRACK ONE BLOCK 19. LOT 13. TRACK ONE. LOT 14. TRACK THREE. BLOCK 19.
PALOMAR EDITION. CITY OF PORT ARTHUR. JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. TOTAL ACREAGE APPROXIMATELY 2.24 ACRES OF LAND. THE CURRENT ZONING IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS NO CHANGE. THE ABUTTING ZONES NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST ARE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND. THE PURPOSE OF THIS MINOR PLAN IS TO COMBINE THREE TRACKS INTO A SINGLE TRACK FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR PLAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON MARCH 24TH, 2026, THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE. I'M SORRY COMMISSIONERS, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MINOR PLAN IS TO COMBINE THREE TRACKS INTO A SINGLE TRACK FOR. FOR RESIDENTIAL USE ON FRIDAY, MARCH 27TH, 2026, 13 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS, AS WELL AS PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWS, MORE THAN 15 DAYS BEFORE THE PNC PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY, APRIL 20TH, 2026. AND THAT IS ALL, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? THIS WOULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. OKAY. RESIDENCE. EXCUSE ME. ARE THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THIS MINOR PLANET? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS MINOR REQUEST. NO ONE HERE. MISS HARRIS. YES, WE CAN DO BOTH.
YOU KNOW, ONE IS ONLY MINOR. I HAVE TO DO ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. I WOULD SUGGEST DOING ALL THREE SEPARATELY. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THE LAST ONE FIRST, IF YOU DON'T MIND. COMMISSIONER, COULD YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PART? YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. IT IS FIVE 59. I THINK IT TAKES 30 MINUTES, BUT IT IS NOW. 559. WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AS OF 559. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER P 26 DASH. IS THAT THE ONE I WANT? NO, I'M LOOKING FOR WE'RE STARTING FROM THE BACK YOU SAID. YEAH. OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. WELL 20 6-02. I APPROVED APPROVAL. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY QUESTIONS. NONE. MOTION PASSED. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR MR. WAGNER. YES MA'AM. THAT HE DOES STILL LIVE OVER IN THAT AREA. ACTUALLY THE QUESTION SHOULD BE GOING TO THE AREA ACTUALLY. YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE LISTEN TO WHAT MR. WAGNER SAID, THAT A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. AND THERE IS A COMMUNITY CENTER. IS ANYONE PLANNING TO MEET WITH THE CITIZENS? THE CITY ACTUALLY FILED FOR THIS REPLAT FOR THE FIRE STATION. WE JUST PROCESS IT. SO IT WAS JUST AN
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APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY'RE AN APPLICANT JUST LIKE WE ARE. I MEAN, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS. BUT AS FAR AS IF THEY HELD A PUBLIC MEETING OR ANYTHING, I WOULD KNOW. BUT I COULD FIND OUT. DO YOU ARE YOU AWARE, LARRY? YEAH, I DON'T I HAVE ONE FOR THE NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT IDEA. LET'S JUST GO. UNUSUAL TO NOT HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING KNOWING THAT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE. YEAH. THIS PROCESS FOR THIS ONE JUST STARTED. IT'S JUST THE REPLAT. SO THEY JUST PURCHASED THE LAND AND THEY'RE JUST DEFINING THE LOT LINES REALLY. THEY'RE GETTING RID OF ALL THE LOT LINES TO MAKE IT ONE HUGE LOT. SO WHAT THEY HAVE IN THE FUTURE, PLAN TO LET THEM KNOW. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WILL SPEAK TO PAM ABOUT IT AND GET AN ANSWER FROM HER, AND I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK. SO, I THINK THAT THE CITIZENS GO ALONG WITH THAT. DESERVES TO KNOW ANY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PLANS THAT ARE BEING MADE OVER THERE IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. I THINK WE NEGLECT THE WEST SIDE AND THE COMMUNITY THERE, BUT WE NEED TO AT LEAST ALLOW THEM A CHANCE TO SEE PICTURES, FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. BECAUSE I WENT TO ONE OF THOSE IN COURT AGES AND I KNOW HOW THEY CAN BE RUNNING THEIR EXCELLENT SHOWING THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRAW, BUILD, PUT ON THAT LAND. SO PLEASE LET HER KNOW THAT I THINK THE CITIZENS OF THE WEST SIDE OF. OKAY, I AGREE WITH THAT. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR Y'ALL AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR SURE. OF COURSE. OKAY. OUR 26-13. I MOVE THE APPROVAL I SECOND ALL IN FAVOR I, I APPROVED ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT.ALL RIGHT. CASE NUMBER. Z26-0 FOR THE REZONING FOR A CAR WASH. I AM VERY, VERY 5050 ON THIS ONE. I LIKE THE VISION OF, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS OWNER. YOU KNOW I'M A BIG SUPPORTER FOR BUSINESS. YOU KNOW I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OPEN ABOUT THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, SAYING, OKAY, IS THERE GOING TO BE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IS IT OPEN ON SUNDAYS? IS IT GOING TO BE WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE HOURS? BECAUSE I'M A PERSON ON SUNDAYS, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYBODY. SO I'M VERY DIVIDED. I REALLY I'M RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. SO I. AND JUST REMEMBER COMMISSIONERS, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT. AND THEY DO TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS SERIOUSLY. I DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I'M STUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. I DON'T KNOW ANY COMMENTS. WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT MISS ESCOBEDO IS SAYING. IN A WAY, I'M LIKE THAT TOO. I'M I'M DEFINITELY FOR BUSINESS IN OUR CITY. AND WE HAVE A YOUNG MAN WHO HAS MADE THIS PURCHASE, WHO HAS THIS DREAM.
AND I LIKE THAT IDEA. AND I LIKE TO ENCOURAGE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO BE ENTREPRENEURS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND AGAIN, I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS SIDE OF IT. YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT A LOT OF NOISE, A LOT OF TRASH AND TIRES BEING THROWN THERE, BUT THAT COULD BE BECAUSE IT'S ABANDONED THOUGH, AM I RIGHT? I MEAN, NOTHING'S I MEAN, THE STRUCTURE IS THERE NOW, BUT NO BUSINESS. AND MAYBE PEOPLE JUST CONGREGATE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE NOTHING'S THERE. SO MAYBE IF THEY HAD A NICE CAR WASH THAT WAS WELL TAKEN CARE OF WITH LIGHTING AND CAMERAS, IT MIGHT CAUSE PEOPLE NOT TO WANT TO HANG AROUND. MR. RICE, IS IT POSSIBLE IF THERE IS RESIDENTIAL AND IT IF IT BUTTS, IF COMMERCIAL BUTTS RESIDENTIAL, HE WOULD HAVE TO FENCE IT OR HE WOULD HAVE TO. OKAY. HE WOULD HAVE TO SCREEN. OKAY. BASED ON WHAT I SAW, THERE IS A HOUSE OR SOMETHING NEXT TO THAT PROPERTY. YEAH. WHAT I SAW IN THE BACK HERE THAT I COULD SEE THE HOUSE. MR. RICE, WOULD YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD COMPROMISE TO HAVE THAT FENCE AROUND THE FACILITY? OKAY. AND YOUR. AND I'M SORRY, YOUR NAME AGAIN, SIR? MR. KELLER, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, I KNOW YOU MADE THE SUGGESTION. DO YOU THINK THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO. WE'RE NOT AGAINST ANYBODY HAVING A BUSINESS, BUT WE DIDN'T NOTICE WITH THE NEW OWNERS. I THINK IT CHANGES A LOT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT TO ME, THAT LOOKING AT AND I'VE BEEN BY THERE IS THAT I DON'T THINK THAT I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MOBILE HOME OR TRAILER WOULD EVEN HAD
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A PERMIT BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER ALL OF A SUDDEN IT POPPED UP. I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S BEEN VACANT. RIGHT. HAVE TO. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH BUILDING PERMITS, BUT JUST I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING REALLY QUICKLY. THE PROPERTY IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ACTUAL RESIDENTIAL HOMES. IT'S NOT NEXT DOOR. SO IF IT WAS NEXT DOOR, THEN YEAH, THERE IS NEXT DOOR. THERE IS NEXT DOOR. OH YEAH. SO YEAH. I'M SORRY. CORRECT. MY APOLOGIES. I KNOW I'M NOT THERE, BUT LET'S DISREGARD THAT COMMENT. YEAH. SO SO I MEAN, AGAIN, I LIKE ENTREPRENEURSHIP. I LOVE ACTUALLY, I LOVE ENTREPRENEURSHIP, BUT IF, IF WE WERE TO MOVE IT FORWARD, I'M, I'M LIKE, I AGREE, HAVING A FENCE, WHICH YOU SAID HAS TO IS REQUIRED. YES, MA'AM. AND THEN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS PUT THERE LATER. SO IF IT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR 11 YEARS, THAT WAS PUT LATER. SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE EITHER. WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. SO SO THAT THAT'S HOW ABOUT YOU? WELL, FOR ME, I REALLY HAD PLANNED ON SAYING NO. HONESTLY, I HAVE TO SAY THIS BECAUSE I, I'M ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO BELIEVE THE CITIZEN'S RIGHTS COME FIRST TO ME. BUSINESSES COME AFTER. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS BEEN A, WHAT, 4 OR 5 MONTH PURCHASE NOW, AND HE HAS NOT GOTTEN A CHANCE TO DO ALL THE THINGS HE NEEDS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE RESOLVED. BUT WITH THE REZONING, IT COULD CHANGE BECAUSE WE WE DON'T KNOW WHO ALL. YOU KNOW, IF HE COULD EVEN AFFORD ALL OF WHAT'S NEEDED TO GET THAT UP TO CODE, WE HAVE NO IDEA. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT BECOME ABANDONED. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT THE FINAL VOTE. RIGHT? AND THEN THERE ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. IF HE DECIDES THAT HE DOESN'T THINK IT'LL GO THROUGH, HE CAN ALWAYS WITHDRAW, HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND REAPPLY AND GET WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT RADIUS AND GET THEIR GET THEIR FEEDBACK AND POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS LIKE THEY JUST DID. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE CALLED LIKE A PENDING APPROVAL, BUT WITH THE CITIZENS ALL AGREEING TO IT, BECAUSE I DO WANT TO SUPPORT BUSINESS, BUT I DO ALSO WANT THE CITIZENS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.SO, I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU SAID? WELL, I WOULD CONSIDER THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAR UP ANYTHING. SO IF YOU GUYS WERE TO VOTE A DIFFERENT WAY, THEN HE HAD THE MEETING IN BETWEEN WITH THE RESIDENTS, THEN HE CAN KIND OF GET A BETTER IDEA, AND THEN WE CAN REPORT SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY TO CITY COUNCIL.
OKAY. GREAT. GREAT. AND FOR. THAT KIND OF LIKE OUTSIDE. OKAY, OKAY. SO SO THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE. WHAT? WE REALLY DO A GOOD PRICE AND YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT UNTIL YOU FIND OUT ABOUT.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE ON A VOTE. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS. WE'RE JUST AT THE FRONT OF IT. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW. ALL IN FAVOR FOR REZONING, I WOULD SAY I, I WOULD SAY I, I WOULD SAY NO. MOTION. IT PASSES, IT PASSES. YES, IT PASSES HOWEVER, BUT I WANT TO DO WHAT WE SAID. I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO JUST I WANT TO DO WHAT WE SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO GO, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE WITH CONDITIONS. IT WON'T BE WITH CONDITIONS. HE CAN ALWAYS LIKE. WE CAN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO DO THIS. IT'S TOTALLY UP TO HIM. BUT IF HE'S WILLING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, HE CAN MEET WITH THEM ON HIS OFF TIME. THEY CAN LET US KNOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT VIA THE LETTERS THAT THEY HAVE TO WRITE, OR CALL US AND LET US KNOW THAT, HEY, WE HAD A CHANGE OF HEART. HE AGREED TO DO THIS AND THIS AND DO THAT, AND WE ARE IN 100% AGREEMENT. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND I CAN REPORT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT I CAN'T HOLD HIM TO IT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN OPTION. WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HOLD. WE WE WE RECOMMEND A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH EVERY ZONE CHANGE. SOME.
SOME SAY THEY WANT IT, SOME SAY THEY DON'T. WE CAN'T MAKE THEM HAVE IT. SO. AND WOULD YOU.
WOULD YOU HAVE IT, SIR? WHAT. HE WOULD HAVE IT RIGHT. OR WHO WOULD HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEETING? YES. MR. RICE WOULD DO A COMMUNITY MEETING. WOULD HE CALL A COMMUNITY MEETING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BECAUSE I WOULD WANT A COMMUNITY MEETING. I MEAN, I DON'T MIND WORKING WITH BUSINESS, BUT I WANT THE NEIGHBORS TO BE HAPPY, AND I WANT THEM TO SEE YOUR VISION. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, MY SON, LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM THAT CAR WASH. I MEAN, BUT WERE YOU THAT I'M CONTINGENT TO THAT, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A IF NOT, I
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WOULD HAVE TO VOTE NO. HOLD ON. IF HE DOESN'T GET ALL HIS PERMITS, HE DECIDES TO LET ANYBODY ELSE'S DECISION. EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONERS, I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW PROTOCOL. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. OKAY, OKAY. JUST TRYING TO GET HIM MR. RIGHT TO UNDERSTAND A FEW THINGS THAT WE DID NOT BRING UP OR WAS NOT BROUGHT UP. BUT YES, WE DO KNOW THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED, JUST RIGHT. AND. MR. WE TABLED THIS FOR A WEEK OR TWO. I DON'T MIND TABLING IT. I DON'T REALLY MIND TABLING IT EITHER. NOW, MY QUESTION THEN WOULD GO TO YOU, MA'AM, AND I'LL GET MORE. WELL, TO CHANGE THE MOTION. WELL, DID YOU ALREADY VOTE? YEAH, WELL, WE DID AND IT PASSED, BUT I WAS I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THIS ISN'T THE FINAL STEP. CITY COUNCIL STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL. YEAH. SO IF SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM THAT COMMUNITY ARE OPPOSED TO IT, CAN'T THEY GO TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND SHARE THEIR VIEWS? THEY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MR. RICE AND HE SAYS, I'M GOING TO DO THIS AND I'M GOING TO DO THAT. AND HE DOESN'T. OR HE CHANGES HIS MIND. AND HE TELLS THE THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT, HEY, I KNOW I SAID I WAS GOING TO DO THAT, BUT I'M NOT, THEN THAT MEETING IS THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT IT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT WE CAME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT. WE WILL WORK FOR EVERYBODY AND IT'S JUST NOT WORKING OUT. SO THAT SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY WHO'S AGAINST THIS IS JUST HALFWAY. THIS IS NOT THE FINAL APPROVAL IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING, THE RECOMMENDATION. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WRITE A REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL, A DETAILED REPORT DETAILED OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ASKING. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS. IT IS PROPOSED FOR MAY 19TH. SO IT ACTUALLY GOES TO CITY. WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW. CITY COUNCIL IS THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING TOMORROW. SO WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUEST ON THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW TO BE APPROVED, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE TAKEN TO TAKE TO BE TAKING PLACE ON MAY 9TH, MAY 19TH. OKAY, SO SO AT THE MOMENT IT JUST PASSED FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW IT, BUT COUNCIL IS GOING TO GET A REPORT FROM WHAT WE'RE SAYING. WE'RE SAYING WE WOULD LIKE IT, BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'VE REQUESTED. THAT'S WHERE THE NEIGHBORS CAN COME. AND NOW THERE'S 20 OF THEM. THEY CAN ALL SHOW UP AT THAT MEETING AND SAY, THIS IS WHY YES, OR WHY WE SAY NO. OR MAYBE THEY CAME TO AGREEMENT.EVERYONE SAYS WE'RE FINE. YES. RIGHT. OKAY, WE WILL SEND THEM THE DETAILED REPORT. YES, MA'AM.
OKAY. IT SEEMS FAIR. YES. YEAH. WE WILL ALL BE WATCHING BECAUSE I AGAIN, I'M BUSINESS FRIENDLY, BUT IT HAS TO FIT THE COMMUNITY. YES. WE WOULD NEVER ALLOW ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING THAT THAT WAS IN VIOLATION OR ANYTHING. HE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP TO CODE 100%. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, SO FINAL CITY GETS A REPORT AND THEY NEED TO BE THERE TO PRESENT. IF THEY DIDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT. YES. IF AND I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THAT ANYONE WHO LIVES WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT RADIUS TO COME OUT AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEMSELVES OR MAKE SURE THEY SEND A LETTER WITH A I KNOW IT SAYS RIGHT BEFORE, LIKE BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT WE GET PRETTY BUSY. SO IF YOU COULD, IF THEY COULD SEND IT EARLIER. I JUST SEEN THE SIGN TODAY. Y'ALL PUT IT UP FRIDAY. I GUESS I JUST HAD, I SENT IT TODAY AND I SAID, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON OVER HERE? AND I WILL SAY THAT IN PERSON HELPS A LOT MORE THAN IT DOES THROUGH A LETTER. BECAUSE IF THEY, IF ONE OF THEM WOULDN'T HAVE CAME, I WOULD PROBABLY AGREE DIFFERENT OR, YOU KNOW, BUT HAVING PEOPLE, YOU UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. SO. YES, MA'AM. MAY 19TH SHOULD GET A LETTER. YEAH.
YOU'LL GET ANOTHER LETTER OVER THAT 200 WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS. SO WHEN YOU GET THE CERTIFIED LETTER AGAIN, THAT'S US. SO LET ME SEE. I'LL TELL YOU, COMMISSIONERS, THAT MEETING WILL BE. MAY 19TH IS 10:00 AM. IN THE WORK. YEAH. CITY COUNCIL MEETING. RIGHT.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO THEY DO THE SAME THAT WE'RE DOING. THEY'RE RUNNING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR. YES. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO GO OVER? YOU KNOW, ANY NEW
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BUSINESSES, AREAS? I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO REPORT. DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? OH, I DO NEED TO KNOW. I MEAN, I KNOW YOU SAID THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY, BUT HE'S NOT THE OWNER FOR THAT.AND THIS IS HIS OFFICE FOR THE OWNERS. I CAN'T SEE WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO MEET THE OWNER AND TALK TO THE OWNER ABOUT SOME REACTIVE. I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M
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NOT SAYING ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OWNER. I DIDN'T REALLY GET WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT MAKES SENSE. BUT THE OWNER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PRESENT. AS LONG AS WE PRESENT THE FACTS TO YOU. YEAH. THE FACTS. WELL, HE CAN STILL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF TELLING ME THAT THE OWNER IS GOING TO DO THIS, THIS AND THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. OH, YES. HE IS THE AUTHORIZED AGENT ON ALL HIS PAPERWORK. YES, SIR. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE ARE SHORT A FEW COMMISSIONERS, SO. WELL, WELL, WE HAVE NEW ONES. WE ONLY NEED ONE MORE. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UNLESS MR. SIMON HAS RESIGNED ALSO, HE HASN'T STILL HERE WITH US. BUT WE KNOW DOCTOR BROWN HAS RESIGNED. SO THE COUNCIL, HAVE THEY BEEN NOTIFIED? YES, MA'AM. HE'S MR. DOUCET, COUNCIL MEMBER. DOUCET APPOINTMENT AND COUNCIL MEMBER. DOUCET IS NOT MAKING ANY MORE APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE HE'S ABOUT TO TURN OUT. SO THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES IN. SO WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THE ELECTION'S OVER. OH, YES, MA'AM, BUT WE DO HAVE A HEARING SCHEDULED FOR MAY 4TH AND MAY 20TH, 19TH. YOUR MEETINGS FOR US? YES. THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS, I JUST WANT TO IN MAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL WILL BE PRESENT MAY 4TH AND MAY THE THE NEXT. EVERY OTHER MONDAY, MY PHONE DIED, SO MAY 4TH. I KNOW FOR SURE. AND THEN I PROMISED VICTORIA THAT I WOULD ASK YOU ALL IF YOU WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING AFTER THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE SHE'S ALREADY WORKING ON IT. SHE'S ON FIRE.WAS IN THE 80S, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR SHOWING UP. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL. THANK YOU. AND I TALK SATURDAY. I KNEW SHE WAS COMING IN. I SAW MR. WAGNER'S EMAIL ANSWERED. OKAY, WE GOT THREE OF THEM. OKAY. I GUESS HE WAS TALKING TO A JUROR, BUT THERE'S NO NEW BUSINESS. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, BOSS? OH, I DO HAVE ONE THING. I'M GLAD IT CAME BACK TO ME. SO WE DO NEED SOMEONE ELSE FOR NOW TO SIGN OFF ON THE PLATS. I'VE BEEN TAKING CARE OF IT, BUT I WOULD RATHER NOT BECAUSE I'M NOT A COMMISSIONER. SO IF ANY OF YOU WOULD, WOULDN'T MIND. JUST MY NEXT IN LINE. IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OKAY. YES, MA'AM. AND WE ALREADY HAVE IT IN THE OFFICE. SO IF YOU WANT TO STOP BY. YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO STOP BY TOMORROW, IF YOU WANT TO COME BY TONIGHT, I'LL WALK BACK OVER THERE. IT'S UP TO YOU. HOW DO YOU WANT TO GO HOME? SO I GO. HOME ANOTHER DAY. OKAY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL. SO WE MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. YES, MA'AM. I SECOND THE MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
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