[I. Chairperson’s Opening Remarks]
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GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. IT'S 5:31 P.M. AND WE'RE ABOUT TO START THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR FEBRUARY. THE WHAT IS THIS, 1616 20, 26 STAFF? DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS STARTED? ROLL CALL. YES, OUR ROLL CALL. ROSALYN DWIGHT WAGNER JOHNNY BROWN PRESENT. ALRIGHTY. THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. I'M SORRY. I DON'T SEE
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ANYTHING WRONG. SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO ONE IS OPPOSED. THE NEXT THING IS NEW BUSINESS, SIR. OH. MR. BARTON SAID, COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC? YES, SIR. THERE IS NO UNFINISHED ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS? NO, SIR.[VI. NEW BUSINESS - PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS (INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION)]
ALL RIGHT. NEW BUSINESS, PUBLIC HEARING FOR Z 2603. YES, SIR. ALRIGHTY. CASE NUMBER Z 2603.THE PROPERTY OWNER IS JOSE LUIS FIGUEROA. THE PROPERTY LOCATION IS 1101 JEFFERSON DRIVE, JC.
PARCEL NUMBER 86534. AND THE REQUEST TYPE IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING PROPERTY DESCRIPTION. LOT 20, DASH 23, BLOCK TWO THE GLENDALE ADDITION, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. TOTAL ACREAGE 0.64 ACRE OF LAND. THE CURRENT ZONING IS COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. THE ABUTTING ZONES NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, NORTH, SOUTH, AND EAST, OR COMMERCIAL RETAIL. THE WEST IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN UNMANNED WIRELESS COMMUNICATION SYSTEM SITE. AN APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON OR AROUND JANUARY 15TH, 2026, REQUESTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN UNMANNED CELLULAR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION SITE. ANY PERSON OR CORPORATION HAVING A PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN ANY PROPERTY MAY PETITION THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A CHANGE OR AMENDMENT TO THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY INSTITUTE A STUDY AND PROPOSAL FOR CHANGES AND AMENDMENTS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, OR ON ITS OWN MOTION OR ON REQUEST FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS A ZONING AMENDMENT TO ALLOW A DESIGNATED USE AT A DESIGNATED LOCATION, AN APPROVAL FOR A SPECIFIC USE THAT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE MORE INTENSE, OR TO HAVE A POTENTIALLY GREATER IMPACT THAN A USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT WITHIN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6.07 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SHALL REVIEW THE PARTICULAR FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF EACH PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE IN TERMS OF THE FOLLOWING GENERAL STANDARDS TO ENSURE THAT THE USE WILL BE HARMONIOUS WITH AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GENERAL OBJECTIVES, OR WITH ANY SPECIFIC OBJECT. OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL BE DESIGNED, CONSTRUCTED, OPERATED AND MAINTAINED TO BE HARMONIOUS AND APPROPRIATE IN APPEARANCE AND APPEARANCE WITH THE EXISTING OR INTENDED CHARACTER OF THE GENERAL VICINITY, AND WILL NOT CHANGE THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. WILL HAVE A VEHICULAR APPROACHES TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH SHALL BE SO DESIGNED AS NOT TO CREATE INTERFERENCE WITH TRAFFIC ON SURROUNDING THOROUGHFARES, WILL NOT BE HAZARDOUS OR DISTURBING TO EXISTING OR FUTURE NEIGHBORING USES, WILL NOT CREATE EXCESSIVE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES OR SERVICES. WILL NOT INVOLVE USES, ACTIVITIES, PROCESSES, MATERIALS, EQUIPMENT OR CONDITIONS OF THE OPERATION THAT WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO ANY PERSONS, PROPERTY OR THE GENERAL WELFARE BY THE BY REASON OF EXCESSIVE EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC, NOISE, SMOKE, FUMES, GLARE OR ODORS. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WILL NOT RESULT IN THE DESTRUCTION, LOSS OR DAMAGE OF NATURAL, SCENIC OR HISTORIC FEATURE OF MAJOR SIGNIFICANCE. THE PROPERTY INTERESTS ARE LOCATED ON FOSTER LEWIS DRIVE, AND ON OR AROUND JANUARY 16TH, 18 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITH WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN A NEWSPAPER A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY, FEBRUARY 16TH, 2026. AND COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS PROJECT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INSIGHT ON IT. CAN YOU GIVE ME LETTERS? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEYOND WHAT YOU JUST SAID? NO. NO, I HAVE QUESTIONS. FOR. THIS IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE
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ACTUAL PROJECT, BUT NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER. I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IS THIS SAME ITEM WE'VE HAD BEFORE? YES, SIR. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE CLIENT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, DECIDED TO WITHDRAW THE LAST APPLICATION BECAUSE OF THE DENIAL. BY LAW, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND WITHDRAW AN APPLICATION AND RESUBMIT, BECAUSE IF IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND GETS DENIED THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR TO REAPPLY. SO THEY DID GO WITH THE OPTION TO WITHDRAW AND RESUBMIT AND TO SHOW UP TODAY WITH A PRESENTATION TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEIR PROJECT. YES, SIR. SO THE PRESENTATION, WOULD THAT BE A PRESENTATION WHEN I ASKED FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE FOR THE ITEM? YES, SIR. HE WILL SPEAK ON THE FOR AND FOR THE PROJECT. YES, SIR. AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU NEED THEM TO. SO, SO AT THIS TIME, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM ANYONE WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM. IF YOU'LL PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THANK YOU. AND MAKE WHATEVER COMMENTS YOU WISH TO MAKE. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE REPEAT. MY NAME IS VINCE HEMMINGER, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND THE LANDOWNER. SEE IF THIS THING WILL STAY STILL. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE REPEAT. THERE WAS MISCOMMUNICATION. WE DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP. BUT I DID WATCH THE MINUTES AND THE VIDEO. SO I SAW WHAT YOU GUYS WERE CONCERNED WITH AND REASONS WHY.SO I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND AND BE HERE EXPLAINING WHAT WHAT THE PROCESS IS. THE RF STUFF, THE VALUE STUFF AND THOSE THINGS. ANYWAY, I HAVE AN OLD FASHIONED PRESENTATION HERE.
WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH IT BY HAND. I THINK. I THINK AREAS IS GOING TO PUT IT UP. AREAS IS GOING TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN TOO. SO WHEN WHEN AT&T THIS IS BUILT FOR AT&T PRIMARILY BUT IT WILL BE FOR ALL THREE CARRIERS. THEY'LL MARKET IT TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GO IN HERE. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE RF INFORMATION SHORTLY. WHEN THE NETWORK OPERATION CENTER GETS TOO MANY DROP CALLS. AND THERE'S A LOT OF LOT OF COMPLAINTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THE AREA. IN PORT ARTHUR, THEY ISSUE A RING TO A COMPANY TO SEE IF THEY CAN FIX THE PROBLEMS, AND THEN THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY FIXING THE PROBLEM. SO THE FIRST PAGE, THE SECOND PAGE HERE SHOWS THE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL AREAS IS A BAD PRINT JOB. BUT THE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS IN, WE CAN'T GO IN RESIDENTIAL. WE HAVE CERTAIN SETBACKS FROM RESIDENTIAL AND WE LOOK FOR COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THAT AREA.
THAT'S ALONG JEFFERSON AND LEWIS DRIVE. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A KIND OF A BLOCK AREA AND THE EDUCATIONAL USE ON THE AREA BELOW. ABOVE THAT, THE NEXT SHEET, THE NEXT PAGE IS A LOCATION MAP. SO THIS ONE SHOWS BASICALLY WHERE WE'RE AT. THIS IS MR. FIGUEROA'S PROPERTY. HE HAS LIKE AN EVENT CENTER THERE. IT'S AN OLDER BUILDING THAT THEY HAVE BIRTHDAYS AND WEDDINGS AND SOME SOME TYPE OF STUFF. HE'S GOT A LARGE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK AND IT WAS PERFECT FOR THIS LOCATION. SO HE AGREED TO LEASE A SPOT FOR AT&T IN THAT AREA. AND THE TOWER OWNER THE NEXT, NEXT PAGE. THIS ONE HAS GOT A LITTLE CIRCLE ON IT. THIS IS HOW AND IT SHOWS WHERE THE EXISTING SITES ARE ON AT&T. AND I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT THIS IS HOW IT'S WORKING. I BLAME APPLE BECAUSE THEY MAKE THESE PHONES THAT ARE SO TREMENDOUSLY STRONG NOW THAT THEY'RE RUNNING A LOT OF APPS AT THE SAME TIME. SO ONCE THOSE SITES IN THE AREA FIRST, DON'T GET INSIDE YOUR KITCHEN, INSIDE YOUR LIVING ROOM, INSIDE YOUR HOUSE, AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DROP CALLS IN THAT BLUE CIRCLE THERE. THEY TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT IS ALMOST GEOMETRICALLY EQUAL TO WHERE THEIR OTHER SITES ARE, SO THEY CAN FIX THE GAP. SO THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT WHAT THE AREA IS FROM AN AERIAL AND WHERE THE AT&T SITES ARE, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE IS A CLOSE UP OF THAT INTERSECTION, AND IT SHOWS THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARIES AS WELL. WE CAN'T GO IN. RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ALLOWED.
OBVIOUSLY, THE SCHOOL BECAUSE OF SOME CONCERN. SCHOOLS ARE NOT ALWAYS. I GUESS, AGREEABLE TO A LEASE WITH THE CELL TOWER. THEY THEY ALSO HAVE THE BOARD THAT HAS TO TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET THAT THINGS DONE. SO SO WE ARE CONCERNED WITH ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, PARTICULARLY EVEN THOUGH THE RF EMISSIONS ARE NOT REALLY CAUSING ANY ANY HEALTH ISSUES.
WE WE WILL GO ON A SCHOOL AT THE LAST RESORT IF THEY'RE INTERESTED. BUT THAT IS KIND OF OFF LIMITS TO ME PROFESSIONALLY. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE DISTANCE TO THE SCHOOL IN THE NEXT PAGE. THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS WHERE THE SITE IS AND WHAT WE DID. WE DIDN'T BRING THE SAME
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THING IN HERE. WE MOVED IT AS FAR AWAY FROM THE WHEATLEY SCHOOL AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN OF THIS COMMISSION. IT IS OVER 500FT FROM FROM THE WHEATLEY SCHOOL, FROM TOWER TO DOOR, THAT RF IS IMMEASURABLE. YOU CAN'T EVEN PICK ANYTHING UP AT THAT DISTANCE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID FOR THE SECOND APPLICATION THAT WE FILED WITH MR. BADEN AND SHIFTED IT SLIGHTLY AWAY AS FAR AS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE LEASE AREA. SO WE MADE THAT CHANGE BASED ON THE MINUTES AND THE VIDEO FROM THIS COMMISSION AND THE CONCERNS, BULLET POINTS ON THE NEXT SHEET, BASICALLY TALKING POINTS. THE RF HEALTH IS REGULATED BY THE FCC. SO WE WOULD WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU CONSULT YOUR CITY ATTORNEY ON WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE THERE. BUT THE SITE DOES NEED AN SCP. AS ARI SAID, THE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL LOT IS 105FT. DISTANCE TO THE RESIDENCE ITSELF IS 165FT, SO WE'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. THERE WERE CONCERNS ADDRESSED LAST MONTH ON VALUES, SO I HAVE ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I INSTALLED FOR VERIZON. I SPENT THE LAST 15, 16 YEARS LOOKING AT THOSE VALUES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN LESS THAN 100FT AWAY, THESE RESIDENCES DIDN'T LOSE VALUE BECAUSE OF THE TOWER. I SEE IT AND ANOTHER ONE FROM MY DRIVEWAY EVERY TIME I PULL IN, BUT I GET THE ADVANTAGE OF AT&T AND VERIZON COVERAGE AT MY HOUSE, AND I CAN USE MY PHONE FOR 911 EMERGENCIES OR ANYTHING ANYWHERE IN THE HOUSE. SO IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KEEP AS FAR AS CHECKING ON VALUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I DID PROVIDE THAT IN SOME BACKUP INFORMATION FOR THE STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS SITE WITH. AT&T WILL EMPLOY FIRSTNET CAPABILITIES. FIRSTNET IS THE FIRST RESPONDERS NETWORK THAT THE GOVERNMENT HELPS AT&T MANAGE. THEY WILL PUT FIRSTNET ON HERE. IF YOU'RE A FIREFIGHTER OR A POLICEMAN IN PORT ARTHUR. AMBULANCE PERSON, WHAT IS THAT NAME ANYWAY? YOU CAN GET FIRSTNET SERVICES FOR A LOT LOWER PRICES THAN A NORMAL. AND THIS IS WHAT WHAT MOST POLICE AND FIRE PEOPLE USE AS THE FIRST NET. IT'S GOING TO GO ON THIS SITE PENDING HOPEFULLY APPROVAL. IT WILL BE BUILT FOR THREE CARRIERS AND THEY'LL MARKET IT A LOT FOR A LOT TO THE CARRIERS OTHER THAN AT&T. SO THE MAXIMUM DEAL THAT WE CAN GET IS TRY TO GET T-MOBILE AND VERIZON ON THIS SITE AS WELL TO HELP COVERAGE IN THIS AREA OF TOWN. THE NEXT PAGE IS THE CLOSEST TOWER IS OVER HALF A MILE AWAY. IT IS BASICALLY FULL. THE HEIGHT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO GO IN THERE. THAT THAT'S SOMETHING OF A PICTURE OF THE STREET VIEW OF IT AS WELL. WE CHECKED WITH RF AND IT'S ALSO TOO FAR OUTSIDE WHAT THEY CALL THEIR SEARCH RING, WHICH IS WAS SHOWN IN THAT BLUE CIRCLE. EARLIER ON THAT PAGE I PULLED SOME REAL STUDIES, SOME REAL VALUE STUDIES. AND THESE ARE BY ROOTMETRICS. THE SURPRISING THING THAT HOME BUYERS CARE ABOUT MOST ARE ON THOSE BAR GRAPHS. AND AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, AS AGE INCREASES, WE'RE ALL OF US ARE A LITTLE OLDER. SO WE'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH HOSPITALS. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT LAST CHART HAS GOT THE HOSPITALS UP THERE IN THE 90%. BUT IN THE MIDDLE IS CELL COVERAGE. SO EVERY TIME SOMEBODY LOOKS AT A HOME BY PURCHASE IT'S IN THE TOP TWO.SOMETIMES IT'S IN THE TOP ONE. DO I HAVE GOOD CELL COVERAGE? 90% OF THE 911 CALLS ARE MADE ON A MOBILE PHONE. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE DISPATCHERS, WHEN YOU CALL 911, HAVE GOOD GPS TO SHOW YOU WHERE YOU ARE ON THEIR ON THEIR SCREEN. WHEN YOU CALL 911. I TELL MY KIDS YEARS AGO, THE 911 SYSTEM IS AMAZING. IF YOU'RE IN TROUBLE, JUST DIAL 911, PUT IT ON SPEAKERPHONE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY A THING. THEY WILL SEE YOU ON THEIR SCREEN WHERE YOU'RE AT.
THE NEXT STUDY WAS BY MORNING CONSULT. IT SHOWS. IT SHOWS THAT 90% OF ALL HOME BUYERS CONSIDER GOOD CELLULAR COVERAGE WHEN THEY PURCHASE A HOME. SO I THINK THESE TWO THINGS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FACTORS THAT THAT KIND OF DISPLAY VALUES FROM LOCATION OF CELL SITES.
AND WE WANT TO GET AS FAR AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AS POSSIBLE, EVEN THOUGH THE FIGHT THERE IS TRY TO GET IN HOUSE COVERAGE AND THEN STAY IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO
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THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHY THE CODE IS WRITTEN THE WAY IT IS TO KEEP KEEP THE RESIDENTIAL DISTANCE AT LIKE 165 AND THEN ALLOW YOU ALLOW US TO GET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT. THESE ARE FROM RF, RF ENGINEERS AT AT&T.THEY SHOW YOU WHERE THEY'RE AT. THEY'VE GOT EXISTING SITE UP HERE IN THE BLUE CROSS. BLUE CROSS IS ONE CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN AS WELL. AND THEN THE PROPOSED LOCATION ACTUALLY THEY HAVE A SMALL CELL RIGHT THERE TO THE NORTH OF US. SO THAT WEIRD BOX IS KIND OF LIKE ANY ANYTHING IN THERE MAY WORK, BUT TECHNICALLY YOU WANT TO GET IN THE CENTER OF THAT BOX TO TO BE ABLE TO DRAW DOWN, DRAW OFF SOME OF THE CAPACITY ISSUES ON THE OTHER SIDES AND TO PROVIDE FULL COVERAGE. THE NEXT SLIDE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THE CURRENT COVERAGE FOR FOR THE SITE AREA. SO YOU SEE GREEN IS GOOD. THESE ARE LITTLE DOPPLER RADAR MAPS. THE GREEN IS NOT ONLY GOOD VEHICLE AND VEHICLE COVERAGE OUTDOOR COVERAGE, BUT IT IS ALSO IN-BUILDING COVERAGE.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS THAT SHOWS YELLOW. SO WE DON'T NOWADAYS I COME INTO THESE HEARINGS AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAPS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG IN YOUR VEHICLE, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A PHONE CALL AS AN ATM CUSTOMER FOR MOST OF THE PART IN HERE, EXCEPT WHERE IT'S RED. THE CHALLENGE IS TRYING TO GET INTO THE HOUSES. SO IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT ONE, YOU CAN SEE THE COVERAGE ON AIR INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY AND FILL IN THAT GAP, THE IN-BUILDING GAP. SO ONCE WE TURN THE SITE ON AIR, IT NOT ONLY GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND GETS AT LEAST VEHICLE COVERAGE BETWEEN THE NEXT SITE AND THE SITE TO THE NORTH. IT ALSO GETS OUT HERE OVER TO THE INTERCOASTAL AND SOME OF THE BARRIER ISLAND AREAS TO PROVIDES THE FISHERMEN AND LOCAL LOCAL PEOPLE COVERAGE OUT THERE IF THEY NEED. RF EMISSIONS. YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME. I THINK THERE WAS SOME SOME YOUNG LADY CAME UP HERE AND SAID, THE RADIATION, THESE ARE THIS IS NOT RADIATION. THIS IS NON-IONIZING RADIO WAVES WHICH WE'VE HAD SINCE AM RADIO DAYS.
WE HAVE NOW WE HAVE FM RADIO, BUT EARLY 1900S. IT'S THE SAME WAVE. IT'S A DIFFERENT SPECTRUM.
IT'S JUST AS POWERFUL AS OUR SIN AND RECEIVE. BASICALLY, THAT'S HOW THEY FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO A CELL PHONE, BECAUSE YOU PICK UP THE RADIO WAVES ON YOUR RADIO, BUT YOU CAN'T TALK BACK TO THE RADIO. THEY FIGURED OUT HOW TO REVERSE THAT BACK IN 1990, SOMETHING WHEN WE FIRST SAW THOSE BIG BOX PHONES. SO THE BAR GRAPH OVER HERE SHOWS YOU WHAT STANDARD COVERAGE IS REGULATED BY THE FCC. THAT'S UP HERE, THE 500 SQUARE MILLIMETER PER WHATEVER THEY HAVE THERE.
AND THEN I ALWAYS SAY THIS WHEN I'M MIDMORNING, WHEN I'M WARMING UP MY COFFEE IN THE MICROWAVE OVEN, I'M GETTING MORE RF EMISSIONS OUT OF THAT MICROWAVE THAN I AM THE CELL TOWER. THAT'S VERY, VERY MINIMAL. IT'S 2/1000 OF THE MAXIMUM RANGE UP THERE, 2/1000.
TWO OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON HERE. THAT'S THE PERSONAL PERSONAL COMPUTER SCREEN AND THE HANDHELD PHONE. TWO OTHER THINGS THAT CREATE MORE RF IS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY IN-HOUSE WI-FI. MOST EVERYBODY DOES. THAT IS MORE RF EMISSIONS THAN YOUR IN-HOUSE AND BABY MONITORS. SO WE THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT HAVE MORE, BUT THESE ARE NON-IONIZING RADIO WAVES. SO IF WE IF WE HAD THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY HAS ISSUED SOME OF THEIR REPORTS SAYING THAT THEY CANNOT FIND ANY HEALTH ISSUES WITH WITH THIS TYPE OF RADIO WAVES. IT'S BEEN STUDYING IT FOR YEARS, IS A PICTURE OF, AGAIN, REMINDING YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO BE HAVING FIRSTNET CAPABILITY. SO ALL THE ALL THE POLICEMEN, FIREMEN AND EVERYTHING CAN SIGN IN FOR THAT AS WELL. AND FINALLY, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THIS IS WHAT I BLAME APPLE FOR NOW. THEY'VE MADE IT. THEY'RE NOT DONE TOO MUCH BIG BROTHER. BUT YOU KNOW WIRELESS 101. YOUR PHONE'S ALWAYS TALKING TO THAT TOWER. IT'S IT KNOWS WHERE YOU'RE AT, BUT IT DOESN'T KNOW HOW MANY APPS YOU'RE RUNNING. THE WEATHER ALERT, THE CITY ALERTS NOW DOING FOR THE TECHS. EVERYTHING THAT I DO. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY APPS I HAVE. ABOUT 25.
THEY'RE ALWAYS RUNNING. SO THAT'S RF POWER THAT'S DRAINING THE SITE. AND ESPECIALLY ON A PEAK DEMAND WHEN EVERYBODY'S GOING HOME IN THEIR VEHICLES AND IT'S TRYING TO COVER THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING IN AND DO THESE INFILL SITES IN BETWEEN TO PROVIDE BETTER COVERAGE FOR EVERYBODY. AND AGAIN, APPLE IPHONE AND SAMSUNG, THEY'RE THEY'RE THE CAUSE OF IT.
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THEY KEEP BUILDING THESE PHONES THAT ARE MORE POWERFUL THAN A SUPERCOMPUTER. Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AND I APPRECIATE I'M SORRY WE'RE DOING A COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR THE SAME THING, BUT WE DID MOVE IT FURTHER AWAY FROM WHEATLEY SCHOOL, WHICH EVERYBODY THOUGHT WAS A GOOD IDEA. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE VALUE STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT IT ACTUALLY INCREASES VALUES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE YOU HAVE BETTER COVERAGE. SO QUESTIONS I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. COMMISSIONERS. YES. THANK YOU FOR COMING. YES, MA'AM. IT'S NOT WORKING. THANK YOU FOR COMING. YES, MA'AM. I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU.LAST TIME THIS CAME TO US, WE VOTED NO. RIGHT. AND I KNOW WHY. I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM WHY WE VOTED NO THE FIRST TIME YOU GUYS CAME. WHAT? MY OTHER QUESTION. WELL, MY FIRST QUESTION REALLY IS, IS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY GETTING PAID TO USE HIS PROPERTY? YES. ABSOLUTELY. PERFECT. YEAH. SECOND QUESTION. YOU SAID THAT HE USES THE BUILDING IN THE AREA FOR BIRTHDAYS AND DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE CLOSER THAN THE WHEATLEY SCHOOL OR THE HOMES THAT ARE AROUND IT, AM I CORRECT? YES.
IT'S GOING TO BE UNDERNEATH. MY DAUGHTER HAS ONE IN HER BACKYARD AND SHE LIVES IN SPRING. I SAW THAT ON THE VIDEO. YEAH, IT BRINGS THE PROPERTY VALUE DOWN AND NOBODY CAN TELL ME IT DOES NOT. SHE OWNS HER HOME AND I KNOW ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUE DECREASE WHEN ONE IS THAT CLOSE. NOW, YOU ALSO INDICATED THAT THE HOMES WERE, WHAT, 150FT AWAY, AM I RIGHT? 165FT AWAY, 100. CLOSE, CLOSE. JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID. THAT'S STILL CLOSE. MOST PEOPLE IN THOSE AREAS ARE NOT YOUNG. THEY'RE ELDERLY. THE WHOLE TOWN OF PORT ARTHUR IS MOSTLY MADE UP OF ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS. WE'RE NOT A YOUNG GROUP OF PEOPLE ANYMORE.
I GREW UP RAISED HERE AND I'M 74 YEARS OLD, SO I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE OLDER THAN I AM WHO STILL LIVE HERE. I THINK IT'S UNSAFE FOR THOSE ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS. NOW, YOU ALSO MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE HOSPITAL, THE 911. WE ONLY HAVE ONE HOSPITAL. THAT'S A PROBLEM.
WE GOT ONE HOSPITAL HERE. ONE. IT'S NOT LIKE BEAUMONT. THEY HAVE MORE. WE ONLY HAVE ONE. SO YOU'RE USING THIS AT&T, VERIZON AND T-MOBILE. OKAY. NOT EVERYBODY HAS AT&T, T-MOBILE OR VERIZON CELL PHONE SERVICE. SO I DON'T WE HAD IT BUT WE GOT RID OF IT OKAY. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP ME EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIVE THAT CLOSE. EVEN DRIVING THROUGH YOU CAN'T USE THE PHONE ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE PASSING BY IN FRONT OF A SCHOOL. IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. SO I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS BEING PLACED THIS CLOSE TO A SCHOOL, NOR IS IT AWAY FROM ELDERLY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. OKAY, OKAY OKAY. FIRST. FIRST, THE RF HEALTH IS AGAIN, YOU NEED TO TALK TO YOUR STAFF OR YOUR ATTORNEY. RF HEALTH THE THE TELECOM FEDERAL ACT, WHATEVER IT IS, SAYS THAT THEY'VE STUDIED THAT SO MUCH THAT A CITY CANNOT DETERMINE THAT THAT'S A REASON FOR DENIAL. THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE READ CONSTANTLY AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THEM EVERY DAY, IS THAT THESE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN TO BE HARMFUL TO ANYTHING. THEY ARE NON-IONIZING, WHICH IS JUST HEAT. IT'S NOT RADIATION. AS OF TODAY, THE 100,000 TOWERS THAT ARE IN TEXAS WOULDN'T BE THERE IF WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH HEALTH.
SO I'VE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING UPSIDE DOWN. I'VE EVEN LOOKED AT THE STUDIES THAT SAY THERE ARE PROBLEMS, AND ALL THEY DO IS CONCLUDE THAT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG, BUT WE CAN'T FIND IT. SO THAT IS WHY WE CAN PUT THESE THINGS IN THESE LOCATIONS. NOW 500FT FROM WHEATLEY SCHOOL THAT YOU MENTIONED, WHAT CHANGED THE WE WE MOVED THE TOWER FURTHER AWAY FROM WHEATLEY SCHOOL TO BE 500FT AWAY. THE ACTUAL EMISSIONS COMING OFF TO THE SCHOOL WILL NOT BE MEASURABLE. THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO HARM THOSE KIDS AT THAT DISTANCE. SAME THING WITH THE RESIDENTS AT ONE 165. THOSE THINGS DO NOT EMIT RADIATION.
THEY'RE JUST RADIO WAVES FOR PROPERTY VALUES. OH WAIT, YOU MENTIONED THE OFF OFF BRAND
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COVERAGE, OFF BRAND CARRIERS, CRICKET. SPECTRUM. SPECTRUM, SPECTRUM. OKAY, THEY ALL USE THE SAME TOWERS. THEY HAVE DEALS WITH THE TOWER COMPANIES. THIS BIG CELL, THE BIG THREE, T-MOBILE, VERIZON AND AT&T. THEY USE THEIR EQUIPMENT AND THEIR CAPACITY WITHIN THEIR.YOU'RE USING THE SAME TOWER. SO YOU WOULD SEE AN INCREASE REGARDLESS, WHATEVER THEIR COMMITMENT IS TO SPECTRUM, WHOEVER THEY'RE COMMITTED TO, VERIZON OR AT&T OR T-MOBILE, THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE TREMENDOUSLY IF WE GET THE REST OF THEM ON. RIGHT NOW, IT'S PRIMARILY AT&T, BUT THERE'S BEEN SHOWN SOME INTEREST BY THE OTHER CARRIERS TO GET ON THIS SITE AS WELL. FOR THE FACT THAT THAT THE OWNERS BEING PAID, IT'S IT'S NOT THAT MUCH. I MEAN, IT HELPS THEM PAY SOME OF THE BILLS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HE DOES EVENTS OVER THERE, BUT THOSE PEOPLE WITHIN THAT DISTANCE WILL BE INSIDE THE BUILDING. THEY WON'T GET EXPOSURE. THEY WON'T EVEN GET OCCUPATIONAL EXPOSURE. SO THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN PROVED TO BE SAFE. AND FINALLY, I THINK YOU SAID YOUR DAUGHTER LIVES NEXT. HOW CLOSE IS THAT TOWER TO HER? I CAN LOOK OUT OF HER BACK WINDOW OFF OF HER PATIO, AND SHE'S RIGHT THERE BEHIND HER.
RIGHT BEHIND HER FENCE? YES. WAS IT THERE BEFORE SHE. SO SHE BOUGHT. SHE HAD IT. IF YOU BUILD YOUR HOME AND IT'S ALREADY THERE, THAT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU WANT TO BRING IT IN TO ALREADY ESTABLISHED PROPERTY OWNERS. NOT A GOOD IDEA. FIND ANOTHER LOCATION. THIS IS THE ONLY LOCATION WE CAN FIND. OKAY, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU JUST ANSWERED PART OF WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. WHY HERE? WHY NOW? BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER AREAS? YES, MA'AM. YES, SIR. WHAT WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT ONCE THEY ISSUE THE RING TO THE TOWER VENTURES GROUP, THEY TAKE ALL THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT AREA AND SEND THEM LETTERS.
THEY DON'T RESPOND TO LETTERS. THEY CALL THEM. THEY GO OUT AND ACTUALLY KNOCK ON DOORS. IF THEY CAN'T, CAN'T RESPOND. YET SOME PEOPLE SAY I DON'T HAVE THE SPACE. SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY. MOST OF THEM ARE JUST NON-RESPONSIVE. SO WE WENT THROUGH ABOUT 50 SITE LOCATIONS WITHIN THIS RING TO TRY TO FIND ONE, AND MR. FIGUEROA WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS INTERESTED IN IT. SO JUST BASICALLY ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO AND ALL THAT RESEARCH AND ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT WE DID COMES DOWN TO ONE SITE AND THAT'S IT.
SO, SO THIS AREA, SO THIS AREA, HAVE THERE BEEN COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET SERVICE? YES, YES, THE NETWORK OPERATIONS CENTER IS BASED OUT OF HOUSTON, SHOWS TOO MANY DROP CALLS IN THIS AREA. THEY HAVE. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY SPEND $250,000 ON EQUIPMENT FOR THIS SITE. SO IT IS TO IMPROVE SERVICE. THEY HAVE ENOUGH CUSTOMERS THAT ARE COMPLAINING, SO THEN THEY GO AHEAD AND AND ISSUE THE RING AND TRY TO FIX THE PROBLEM. SO YES, THE DROP CALLS AND AND AND INTERRUPTED CALLS OR BAD SERVICE WHEN YOU GET THAT ONE BAR AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DROP AND THEN IT COMES BACK, YOU KNOW, BREAK UP THAT BREAK UP THAT YOU HEAR WHEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO SOMEBODY WITH A BAD COVERAGE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF. COMMISSIONER WAGNER I HAVE ONE. MISS ARIES. WHEN YOU ALL SENT LETTERS OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS, I KNOW YOU SENT THEM OUT. THE FIRST TIME THEY CAME TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION. DID YOU SEND ANOTHER BATCH? YES. THIS PARTICULAR. YES, SIR. THE SAME PROPERTY OWNERS RECEIVED THIS NOTIFICATION FOR THIS MEETING. AND THE RESPONSE? THIS I KNOW LAST TIME WE HAD ONE LADY TO COME AND SPEAK. BUT WHAT HAPPENED THIS TIME? DID YOU GET ANY RESPONSES? NO, SIR. OKAY. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS USUALLY YOU ALL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T SEE ONE HERE. WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOUR OFFICE? WELL, SINCE THIS IS A ZONING CASE, IT'S 100% OPINION BASED BY YOU ALL. OH. IS IT? YES, SIR. THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT. YES, BUT I DID PUT THE CRITERIA THAT YOU SHOULD FOLLOW FOR THE ACTUAL MAKING SURE IT'S HARMONIOUS WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF THEM THAT I DID READ THAT RECOLLECTED WITH THIS ONE THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE DID MENTION WAS MAKING SURE IT DIDN'T SEND OUT SEND OFF EMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I DID PROVIDE THAT LIST TO YOU ALL ON HOW TO BASE YOUR DECISION BASED ON THE CRITERIA. AND WHERE IS THAT ON PAGE TWO. TWO OF EIGHT?
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YES, SIR. IN THE ANALYSIS. AND WHAT WHAT WAS YOUR FINDING ON THAT, THAT IT WAS A PROBLEM OR WAS NOT A PROBLEM. BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION THAT HE PROVIDED TO US? OUR JOB IS TO, OF COURSE, GO OVER IT, MAKE SURE THE PLAN, THE ZONING AND EVERYTHING IS ACCURATE AND PRECISE. LET THEM KNOW THAT HE NEEDS THE SUPPORT. FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE LOOKED AT.EVERYTHING WAS GREAT ON THAT END, BUT ULTIMATELY THE DECISION IS UP TO YOU ALL AND YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. SO THE ONLY HE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE THE TOWER THERE, BUT ONLY BY PERMISSION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. OKAY. SO SO, SO SO I WAS LISTENING TO MY LEARNED COLLEAGUE OVER HERE WHO, WHO, WHO WAS BORN AND REARED HERE AND KNOWS THIS AREA BETTER THAN I'LL EVER KNOW IT. AND I'M LISTENING TO THIS MAN HERE WHO'S A LEARNED MAN ON HIS, IN HIS, IN HIS OWN RIGHT AND, AND POINT OF VIEW. I'M A LITTLE TROUBLED BY THE COMMENT.
THERE'S NO OTHER SITE. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S NO OTHER AREA THAT YOU COULD. I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PART. I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN, BUT GO BACK TO THE RF MAP. THIS ONE WHERE IT DOESN'T SHOW COVERAGE. THE ONLY WAY TO GET THAT AREA BACK INTO COVERAGE IS TO TRY TO GET IN CLOSE TO THE CENTER OF THAT POSSIBLE. NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CODE, WE REMOVE THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE LOOK AT THE DISTANCE WHICH IS 165FT. AND THEN WE START WITH ALL THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WITHIN A COUPLE OF BLOCKS. AND WE CAN TRY TO GET THAT TO WORK. IF SOMEBODY SAYS YES. BUT WITHIN THOSE COUPLE OF BLOCKS, NOBODY WAS INTERESTED IN IT. LIKE I SAID, NOT ENOUGH MONEY, NOT ENOUGH SPACE. YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO MESS WITH MY OPERATIONS. SOME, SOME REASON WITHIN THOSE 50 PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WORK, EXCEPT MR. FIGUEROA HAS THAT PARKING LOT BEHIND THAT, THAT EVENT CENTER. AND HE SAID, CAN YOU PUT IT BACK HERE SO YOU HAVE A COMMENT, COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT THE GENTLEMAN CAN PUT THAT ANTENNA ON THAT SITE WITHOUT AN SUP, BUT HE WAS TRYING TO MOVE IT AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL. SO HE THAT'S WHY HE PUT IT WHERE HE PUT IT. IT IS ALLOWED IN A COMMERCIAL RETAIL DISTRICT. SO IF HE WOULD PUT IT CLOSER TO THE FRONT, HE'S ALLOWED TO PUT IT ANYWAY. OH REALLY? YEAH. THE ONLY REASON THAT HE WANTED TO PUT IT BACK, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS A WAY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CLOSER, IT WAS AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL BECAUSE WE HAD THAT TALK WITH OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, MR. PHIL VELARDE, AND EVERYTHING. AT FIRST I, I SPOKE TO THE GENTLEMAN. I SAID, WELL, YOU CAN PUT IT WHY YOU NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THEN HE EXPLAINED THAT HE WANTED TO PUT IT FURTHER BACK. SO THAT'S WHY HE'S COMING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH. IF YOU PUT IT WHEREVER ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY DURING THE LEAD UP, I MEAN, HE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. HE NEEDS US TO MOVE IT FARTHER AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL. OKAY, I GET THAT PART. HOWEVER, WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING HERE ANYWHERE IN THIS CITY? THEY DON'T PUT IT THERE WHETHER WE WANT IT THERE OR NOT. AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TIRED OF COMMISSIONER. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT IS THE TRUTH. BUT PEOPLE JUST CAN'T PUT ANYTHING WHERE THEY WANT. WE WE DEAL WITH THAT EVERY DAY AND THEY DON'T. WE STOP THEM FROM PUTTING A LOT OF THINGS THERE. BUT HE JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS THERE IN THIS PARTICULAR SPOT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. SO BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSER TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SO, SO BUT HE CAN MOVE IT. SO WHY NOT CONTINUE WITH THE CITY PROPOSAL AS OPPOSED TO COMING BACK HERE? IN OTHER WORDS, WAS THAT POINT MADE WITH THE CITY CITY COUNCIL? WELL, WE HAVEN'T GONE TO THE CITY COUNCIL YET. ONCE. IF HE WOULDN'T HAVE PULLED IT, WE WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT HE DIDN'T PULL IT, I MEAN, SO HE PULLED IT. SO NOW HE CAME BACK TO TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, SO HE COULD COME BACK AND EXPLAIN HIS SITUATION BETTER THAN WE COULD BECAUSE WE CAN'T DEFEND IT OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE JUST ENTER THE FACTS. YOU'VE DONE THIS FOR A MINUTE. YOU'VE DONE THIS FOR A FEW YEARS. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER WAGNER'S QUESTION ABOUT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY, YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A, I GUESS, BEYOND WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WHICH WAS WHICH
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WAS FAVORABLE TO HIM? WELL, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FAVORABLE. I'M JUST TRYING TO ISSUE FAVORABLE.WELL, I MEAN, IF THE FACTS ARE I'M JUST SAYING WHAT YOU SAID. IF ASSUMING IT'S FACTUAL, THAT THAT WOULD BE A FAVORABLE COMMENT. BUT DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR COMMISSIONER HAS MADE SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS, RAISED SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT SAFETY, ABOUT VALUE OF LAND AND SOME OTHER THINGS. AND I'M LISTENING TO HIM AND I'M LISTENING TO YOU. YOU HAVE A COMMENT GOING BACK TO WHAT HE ASKED ABOUT RECOMMENDATION. NO. I STAND BY THE COMMENT THAT MISS MISS MILO SAID. SHE SAID IT ELOQUENTLY, AND I'M GOING TO STICK WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S OUR OUR THING, THAT. POINT OF FACT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DECIDE, HE STILL HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL. REGARDLESS, HE HAS TO GO TO. YEAH, YEAH. IF YOU SAY NO, HE AND IT HAS TO BE VOTED BY THREE FOURTHS BY SUPERMAJORITY VOTE. EXACTLY. THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY. YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MR. WAGNER. ANY OTHER. NO NO QUESTIONS. NO QUESTIONS SIR OR MISS HARRIS. ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM YOU? THANK YOU. NONE FOR ME. MOST. OH GO AHEAD.
OKAY. YES, SIR. MOST MOST OF THE SITE QUESTIONS THAT WERE JUST NOW DISCUSSING COME BACK FROM THE DISCUSSION AND THE, THE THE DENIAL THAT YOU GUYS GOT WON'T MOVE IT FURTHER AWAY FROM FROM WHAT WHAT SCHOOL. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW TRYING TO DO. THERE IS THERE IS SOME AREA WHERE WE COULD PUT IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THE SCHOOL. SO WE'D RATHER NOT DO THAT, THAT THAT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY AND FREE WILL TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR DECISION TO RECOMMENDATION. BUT YOU SAID SAFE. YOU SAY IT'S SAFE. SAFE.
THE TOWER IS SAFE. IT IS. SO IF YOU BRING IT BACK WITHOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT'S STILL JUST TO BE SAFE. WE'RE REACTING TO WHAT WE SAW ON THE ON THE ON THE DENIAL. SO IF YOU WANT IT CLOSER TO WHAT I'D RATHER I'D RATHER KEEP, PUSH IT FURTHER. WHEATLEY. THE SCHOOL IS WHEATLEY. GO AHEAD. FINISH YOUR COMMENT. NO, I MEAN WE WE WOULD RATHER YOU MAKE THE DECISION WHERE WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO BECAUSE PUSHING IT CLOSER TO THE SCHOOL I THOUGHT WAS A NO NO LOOKING AT THE VIDEO. SO WE MOVED IT FURTHER AWAY AND ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR THIS ITEM? ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISH TO SPEAK FOR. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE SPEAKERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST THE ITEM.
ANYONE HERE WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST? ITEM? THIRD CALL. NO HEARING. NONE. IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEM THAT WE'RE HERE TO CONSIDER, MISS ARIES? YES. GET YOUR EXERCISE. NO, SIR. THAT'S ALL. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. COMMISSIONERS YOU WISH TO CLOSE, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE OUR SPECIAL USE Z TO 60833. YEAH, I SECOND OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ITEM ITSELF. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, COMMISSIONER? WELL I. TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT THE NEIGHBORS DON'T SEEM TO BE COMPLAINING. AND THE FACT THAT THIS GENTLEMAN SAID THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE GETTING DROPS ON THEIR PHONES AND WHAT HAVE YOU. HE DID MAKE A CONCESSION BY MOVING THE TOWER FARTHER AWAY FROM WHEATLEY SCHOOL. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID, AND HE MADE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. I CAN'T ARGUE THAT, BUT A DECISION HAS TO BE MADE, SO I SUPPORT HIM. SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. LET'S VOTE. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. I OPPOSED I OPPOSED SAME SIGN. ALRIGHT THEN. MOVED SUCCESSFULLY IN TERMS OF PASSAGE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. AND LET ME SAY WHY I'M VOTING NO. I'M LEAVING THIS UP TO THE COUNCIL. LET THEM MAKE THAT DECISION. I DON'T I UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR POSITION IS
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AND OUR JOB IS AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS, BUT I ALSO KNOW THEY CAN OVERRULE ANYTHING WE SAY. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR MY NO. THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR THEIR TWO YESES.LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION. IF THEY HAVE THE TWO THIRDS VOTES TO PASS IT, LET THEM DO SO.
IT'S OFF OF MY SHOULDER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THIS ITEM, MR. WAGNER? NO. AND I HAVE I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENT ABOUT IT. MISS ARES, IS THERE
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ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO ADDRESS FOR TODAY? YES, SIR. WE WILL HAVE A ANOTHER MEETING. THE NEXT MEETING ON. MARCH 2ND. OKAY. FULL MEETING. COUNCIL, MAKE A DECISION. NOW. YOU MADE SOME GOOD POINTS. YOU DID? SAY. I KNOW. THAT'S RIGHT. APPRECIATE. YOU SAID THE 2ND OF MARCH. YES, MA'AM. SECOND, I MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, BUT I HAVEN'T SURGERY ON THE FIFTH.OKAY, WELL, RELAX. I'LL BE OUT OF COMMISSION, JUST LIKE NORRIS. OKAY. I KNOW, THAT'S RIGHT.
THANK YOU. WELL, I'LL BE SURE TO TOUCH BASES WITH YOU FOR SURE. OKAY. AND IT'S IT'S TO REPLANT, SO. YEAH. REAL SIMPLE. I'VE ALREADY LOOKED OVER THEM AND EVERYTHING. AND IF YOU'RE READY FOR THE AGENDAS, I CAN GET THEM OUT TO YOU. WEDNESDAY I GOT. WELL, YEAH, I'M TRYING NOT TO PUT ANYTHING ELSE ON. I'M TRYING TO GET HIM ON. MISS HARRIS, ONE LAST QUESTION. YES, SIR. PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MEMORIAL HIGH SCHOOL NEXT DOOR TO THE NURSING FACILITY. I REMEMBER ONCE WE SAID THAT THIS GUY WANTED TO BUILD A SHOPPING AREA AND COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. NOW I SEE A FOR SALE SIGN. I THINK MISTER LARRY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT ONCE BEFORE. WHAT'S THE LATEST ON THAT PROPERTY? THEY ARE SELLING IT, BUT THE THE ORDINANCE RUNS WITH THE LAND, SO WHOEVER HE SELLS IT TO, THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT RESIDENTIAL AND IN THE SHOPPING AREA, PER THE ORDINANCE. YES, SIR. YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. OH FOR REAL. ANY OTHER REPORTS FROM STAFF? THAT IS ALL. ALL RIGHT, SO HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. TIME IS 613. A
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