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THINK BEFORE THOSE BOYS SAYING.[I. Chairperson’s Opening Remarks ]
EVERYONE.WE CALLED TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING WITH CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, OCTOBER THE SIXTH.
NO, IT'S NOT NOVEMBER THE THIRD.
CALL THE ORDER AT 5:30 PM FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ROAD CALL JOHNNY BROWN.
SO I ASKED BE QUEEN DWIGHT WAGNER, OR SIMON.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, A PAPER RIGHT HERE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WING THIS.
[IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING OF OCTOBER THE SIXTH.I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER THE SIXTH, SIXTH 2025.
OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNFINISHED BUSINESS AS WE HAVE NONE.
[VI. NEW BUSINESS - PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS (INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION)]
NEW BUSINESS.MR. BADAL, WOULD YOU PLEASE WALK US THROUGH THIS, UH, ZONING? YES, SIR.
CASE NUMBER Z 25 DASH OH SEVEN.
UH, THE, THIS IS, UH, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING CASE Z 25 0 7.
AS YOU SAID, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MR. DARWISH.
UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 0 5 HIGHWAY 365, AND THE JCA PARCEL NUMBER IS 8 2 2 0 6 AND 8 2 2 2 5.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING, UH, LOTS 15 AND 27 PEAK EDITION.
CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 9.59 ACRES OF LAND.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
A BUDDING, UH, A BUDDING ZONING IS NORTH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SOUTHWEST MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND EAST IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
THE FUTURE PLAN FOR A FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM A COMMERCIAL GENERAL DISTRICT TO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN RV PARK.
AN APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON OR AROUND SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2025, REQUESTING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN RV PARK.
A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 1ST, 2025 TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THE PROPOSED SITE, THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE AND THE PURPOSE OF THE ZONING CHANGE FOR RV PARK.
ALTHOUGH NOT REQUIRED BY LAW, 42 PUBLIC NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO INFORM THEM OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND TO INVITE THEM, INVITE FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED RV PARK ZONE CHANGE.
NO RESIDENTS ATTENDED THE MEETING.
HOWEVER, SEVERAL NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS CONTACTED STAFF BY PHONE TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE.
BASED UPON THESE CONVERSATIONS, IT APPEARED THAT MANY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WERE ELDERLY WITH MOST BEING APPROXIMATELY AROUND 80 YEARS OLD.
TWO PROPERTY OWNERS INDICATED THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING, BUT DID, DID WANT TO EXPRESS OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSAL ON CHANGE.
UH, ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 8TH, 2020 5, 42 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWSPAPER A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE PNZ MEETING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY.
UH, LARRY, THIS IS ON TO BE CLARIFIED.
THIS IS ON 365 NEXT TO THE RV PARK THAT'S THERE NOW.
CONTINUATION DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP.
AND THERE'S, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF RESIDENTIAL AROUND THERE, WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, THERE'S RES HOUSES ON WEST ON, UH, PLACE 365 FURTHER DOWN.
UM, I THINK, UH, IT'S LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO THE, UH, UH, TO THE EAST.
RIGHT NOW, NO, I MEAN TO THE SOUTH AND WEST.
AT THIS TIME IT'S COMMERCIAL GENERAL, COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US WHAT,
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JUST KIND OF GIVE US AN OVERVIEW.WHAT, WHAT IS ALLOWED THERE RIGHT NOW? WELL, AS YOU KNOW, RETAIL, COMMERCIAL RETAIL IS LIKE COM.
UH, THINGS LIKE, UH, CONVENIENCE STORES.
SUCH AS THAT, UH, OFFICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, COMMERCIAL GENERAL IS A LITTLE MORE, IT'S, YOU CAN PUT, UH, HEAVY AUTOMOTIVE, UH, LIKE DO TRANSITION, UH, TRANSMISSIONS ENGINE WORK IN A, IN A, UH, UH, AUTOBI AUTO SHOP.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE HEAVIER THAN THAN COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
SO IN ALL ACTUALITY, IT, IT WOULD, THE ZONING, IT HAS AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, SOMEONE COULD OPEN UP A REPAIR SHOP, BUILD A BUILDING, AND OPEN A CAR REPAIR SHOP.
WHAT ABOUT A WRECKING YARD? YES.
I BELIEVE A WRECKING YARD CAN'T GO IN COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
AND IF WE, AND IF WE, IF WE, UH, PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE ZONING, IT WOULD THEN TO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WILL A WRECKING YARD OR A YES SIR.
SHOP STILL BE ABLE TO, IT CAN STILL BE ABLE TO GO IN THERE? YES, SIR.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY QUESTIONS? I DO.
FIRST OF ALL, WERE THERE, UH, APPARENTLY YOU HAD, UH, TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO WROTE IN OR CALLED ABOUT DISAGREEMENT WITH THIS CLIENT? YES.
THERE WERE, UH, ELDERLY PEOPLE.
UH, MS. MILO TOOK THE PHONE CALL AND TWO OF THEM, BOTH OF THEM JUST SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT ANOTHER RV PARK IN THEIR AREA.
SO IT WAS JUST TWO OUT OF THE 42 NOTICES WE SENT RESIDENT GETTING 80-YEAR-OLD.
WELL, ES SPOKE TO 'EM AND IN, IN, IN LENGTH AND TOLD 'EM EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON AND WHAT WOULD BE DONE.
AND THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT AN RV PARK WAS AND WHAT WOULD ENTAIL AN RV PARK COMING INTO THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, SO THEY SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER RV PARK IN OUR AREA.
WHAT I HEARD ABOUT THAT MM-HMM
THE OTHER THING IS BASED ON THE ANALYSIS HERE, IS THIS WHAT YOU GUYS WRITE OR IS THIS WHAT YOU GIVE TO THE POTENTIAL OWNER? WE, WE, WE LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT'S OKAY.
WE FOLLOW THE RULES AND IF IT IS, IT FITS IN ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES.
WE SAY YES, UH, WE, WE AGREE WITH IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE AGREE WITH IT.
THAT MEANS THAT AGREEABLE PER ORDINANCE, I MEAN PERSONAL, PERSONAL FEELINGS SET ASIDE.
PERSONAL FEE IS, CANNOT COME INTO THIS.
OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FOLLOWED THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCES ARE FOLLOWED.
AND I LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE THERE.
AND THEY HAVE MORE POOL THAN THE CITY.
THEY'RE ONES WHO CAME BRO BACK.
SO IT WOULDN'T BOTHER HIM, BUT IT WOULD BOTHER ANYBODY ELSE THAT I KNOW WHO LIVES AROUND THERE WHO'S ALREADY SAYING WE HAVE ENOUGH.
THIS IS RV TEXAS, NOT PORT ARTHUR, TEXAS.
WE HAVE THOUSANDS, TOO MANY RVS AND THEY'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY SAY THEY'RE GONNA DO.
WELL, WHEN I CAME HERE SEVEN, ALMOST SEVEN YEARS AGO, PEOPLE WERE COMING IN BECAUSE OF THE, THE INDUSTRY WAS, WAS EXPANDING.
WE, UH, PEOPLE WERE JUST CALLING IN.
I WANT TO, I HAVE SOME FREE LAND.
SO MR. BURDEN ASKED ME TO, THE CITY MANAGER ASKED ME TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS REAL STRINGENT SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO GO A LONG WAY IN ORDER TO PUT AN RV PARK.
AND SO NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST FIVE ACRES.
YOU HAVE TO PUT A STONE, UH, A WALL AROUND THE WHOLE THING.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN WASH THEIR CLOTHES.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, WELL, WE HAVE, LEMME FINISH.
WE, SINCE SEVEN YEARS THAT I WROTE THAT, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE RV PARK COME INTO THE CITY.
AND THAT'S BEEN SEVEN YEARS NOW.
WE DID HAVE ONE TO COME IN, AS MR. SIMON SAID EARLIER, WHEN YOU WERE HERE, UH, THE GENTLEMAN CAME AND HE WAS GONNA BUILD THIS BIG RESORT AND HE WAS GONNA MAKE THIS BIG OLD THING.
I DON'T THINK HE HAD THE MONEY.
SO WE MADE IT, IT IS GONNA BE HARD FOR HIM TO MAKE THIS AND DO IT, BUT IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, YOU, IT'S GONNA COST YOU PRETTY PENNIES.
WELL, IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT NOW WHERE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT RV PARKS, THE RV RESORTS.
THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN NOW.
SO, SO YOU CAN'T, WELL, YOU GOTTA FILE THE LAW OF THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE.
SO IF THEY DON'T COME IN THERE AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO
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BUILD ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE IS THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO IT.THE CITY DOES NOT KNOW THAT UNTIL THEY START TO BUILD.
NO, THEY HAVE TO GIVE US A WHOLE PLAN THAT THAT NEVER WORKS.
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET ANYTHING FROM US PERMITS.
SO THE LAST ONE THAT'S ON 365 SAID THEY WERE GONNA DO ALL THIS.
THEY FALL UNDER THAT ORDINANCE.
AND THEY DIDN'T, AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE WAS TOO HARD FOR THEM TO WORK WITH.
BUT THEY ALLOWED THEM TO PUT THAT RV PARK THERE AFTER THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN, BECAUSE THEY WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEY FOLLOWED ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THEY CAME AND STOOD.
THEY CAME AND STOOD BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEY SAID THEY HAD MONEY TO DO IT.
AND THEY EVEN OFFERED THE CITY COUNCIL.
THEY, THEY EVEN HAD, THEY EVEN HAD THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND I WENT TO ONE OF THE RESORTS IN BAYTOWN IN BAYTOWN.
AND IT, IT WAS REALLY NICE AND IT WAS GONNA DO THE SAME THING, BUT APPARENTLY IT FELL THROUGH AND THEY SOLD THE ONE, THEY SOLD THE ONE IN BAYTOWN.
I HAVE A QUESTION, JUST ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE.
AND, AND THEY SOLD THE ONE IN BAYTOWN AND AFTER THAT IT JUST KIND OF FELL THROUGH AND THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
BUT IT WAS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THEY WAS SUPPOSED TO PUT, UH, RESIDENCES, A A REAL NICE APARTMENTS.
IT WAS GONNA HAVE A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN THE FRONT AND AN RV PARK IN THE BACK WITH ALL THE AMENITIES THAT WE REQUESTED.
BUT AFTER SAYING THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO SPEND THREE, $4 MILLION IN ORDER JUST TO GET THE RV PARK IN ORDER.
SO YOU'RE PRE-PLANNING DEVELOPMENT MEETING MM-HMM
NO, WE HAVE THE PREDEVELOPMENT MEETING.
THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY PARKS BUILT SINCE THE NEW ORDINANCE.
SEVEN YEARS THAT ONE THAT WAS BUILT DID NOT FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE TO A T.
AND HAVE THEY, THEY BEEN SIGNED.
THEY HAVEN'T BUILT AN ORDINANCE UNDER THIS NEW ORDINANCE YET.
NO, BUT ONE, I MEAN AN RV THAT WAS BEFORE THE, THAT WAS BEFORE THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN.
WELL, THEY HAVEN'T HAD ONE BUILT SINCE SEVEN YEARS.
THAT WAS TIME EVERYBODY WENT TO BAYTOWN THE RV, WHATEVER.
WELL, THAT NEVER CAME, THEY NEVER FIXED IT.
I THINK THEY PUT A A, A DRIVEWAY AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL THEY, THEY DID.
THEY HAVE THREE LITTLE CONCRETE, LEMME ASK YOU THIS.
IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THIS ORDINANCE TWO LIGHT COMMERCIAL IN IT, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND THERE'S NOT AN RV PART THAT GOES IN THERE.
AND HE'S, AND IF HE BUILDS IT AND HE FOLLOW AND HE GOES BY THE ORDINANCES, IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL THING.
BUT I, I, I KIND OF DOUBT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO NOW HE'S GOT THIS, THIS, THIS CHANGE IN THIS ZONING.
WHAT CAN HE DO? HE CAN PUT ANYTHING THAT GOES INTO LIKE INDUSTRIAL, HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS, BUT IF IT FALLS UNDER THE RULES.
SO IF, IF, IF THE COMMISSION NURSE VOTE NO, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? IT HAS TO GO PAST, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL BY A THREE FOOT VOTE.
THAT MEAN ALMOST ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE AND REALLY NONE OF THEM EVEN LIKE RBY PARKS.
SO WE CAN SAY NO, THEY DON'T WANT IT EITHER.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO INFLUENCE ANYWAY.
IF YOU COME AND PAY ATTENTION TO THESE MEETINGS AT COUNCIL, EVEN WATCH THEM.
AND WHEN THESE RV PARK THINGS COME UP AND NO, THEY DON'T LIKE APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR RVS.
UM, I I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT CONSISTENCY.
YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE VOTE FOR, WE ARE TOLD THAT IF THE DEVELOPER HAS FOLLOWED ALL OF THE GUIDELINES, THAT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO VOTE YES.
IF THEY FOLLOWED ALL OF THE RULES THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
UM, DOES THAT HOLD TRUE FOR THIS DEVELOPER AS WELL? WELL, HAS FOLLOWED ALL OF THE GUIDELINES.
WELL, I'M GONNA PUT IT LIKE THIS.
YOU CAN VOTE NO, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A REASON WHY YOU VOTE NO.
THEY VOTED NO BECAUSE WE, THEY DIDN'T THINK IT FELT FIT IN WITH THE, WITH WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND SOME OF THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE SAID, NO, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
YOU CAN VOTE NOTE ON THOSE BASIS.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO CAME FROM, UH, THE VILLAGE IN, DIDN'T WANT THE HOMES, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BUILT OUT THERE AND WE VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT.
I DON'T THINK THEY BUILT THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID OR NOT.
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I'M JUST ASKING A, AS FAR AS FOLLOWING THE LAW, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A FAN OF RV PARK.I MEAN, YOU ARE A COMMITTEE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE.
THE THING ALSO, THE THING ABOUT THIS IS MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT PERSONALLY.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE CAN'T DO THAT.
OUR PERSONAL FEELINGS CAN'T MOVE IN.
IT'S GOTTA BE FOLLOWED BY THE LAW.
EXCEPT THE FACT THAT IF WE CHANGE THIS, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE GUY, BUT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN NOW FOR AN RV PARK, YOU BETTER HAVE SOME BIG DOLLARS.
SOME BIG DOLLARS JUST BEING, AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT CAN GET HIS RETURN.
SO I, NOT, I I, I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT I WON'T THINK IT'LL EVER HAPPENED.
AND WE HAD, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE CHANGE IT AND THEN HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.
HE CAN PUT A LAY DOWN YARD, THEN HE CAN DO A LOT.
HE CAN PUT A LAY DOWN YARD THERE.
WHAT ARE THE NEW ON INDUSTRIAL? WHAT ARE THE THAT QUALIFI? OH, I DON'T HAVE MY ZONING IN ART WITH ME.
I, I'M, BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW.
BUT IT'S LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT A LAY DOWN YARD, YOU CAN PUT, UH, WELDING, UH, UH, SHOP THERE AND YOU KNOW, THINGS ALONG THAT NATURE.
I WISH I WOULD'VE BROUGHT MINE ORDINANCE, BUT I DIDN'T.
WE DON'T NEED NO, BUT IT'S THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE BY.
THIS ADVISORS GET BUILT UP REALLY NICE.
I MEAN, YOU PUT THAT AS AN ICE.
WELL, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, NO ONE SHOWED UP.
AND AS YOU SEE, DEVELOPER HADN'T SHOWN UP HERE EITHER.
SO I, I FEEL IF YOU WOULD WANT SOMETHING, YOU SHOULD SHOW UP, BUT SHOW UP.
WELL, THEY, BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A FAN OF AN R PARK MYSELF EITHER.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER, BUT I'M ALSO NOT A FAN OF ANOTHER MOTELS.
I MEAN, WHAT'S GONNA, WHAT'S ALL THESE MOTELS THEY THAT POP UP WHEN ALL THIS AND THAT, IT'S NOT GONNA LAST FOR, THIS AIN'T GONNA LAST FOREVER.
AND THEN WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH ALL THIS? SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY KEEP POPPING UP.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, WELL THE REASON WHY, OKAY, THE, THE, THE RV PARK, AND I WROTE ONE 'CAUSE WE HAD A MEETING WITH A GENTLEMAN AND HE SAID HE WAS GONNA PUT AN RV PARK.
SO EVERYBODY WENT THROUGH QUESTIONS.
OKAY, THEN YOU SAID YOU WAS GOING TO USE IT FOR SIX YEARS UNTIL THEY FINISHED BUILDING OUT THE IN INDUSTRIAL, UH, EXPANSION AND WHAT YOU GONNA DO THEN HE SAID, WE JUST GONNA LEAVE IT.
AND SO THAT DIDN'T FIT WELL WITH ME.
SO I WENT AND SPOKE TO MR. BURTON.
MR. BURTON SAID, WELL, YOU WRITE AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE IF YOU GONNA LEAVE IT, THEN WE GOT ALL THAT TRASH.
WE HAVE THE CITY HAVE TO PICK UP WITH MM-HMM
SO, UH, SO HE, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO, I MEAN, ROADS HAVE TO BE FIXED TO, UH, CITY.
HE HAS A LOT OF THINGS HE NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER AND IT'S GONNA COST A PRETTY PENNY IF YOU HAVE IT.
BUT WE MADE IT, UH, JUST, JUST HARD FOR SOMEBODY JUST TO COME IN AND JUST PUT ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHY NOTHING HAS BEEN BUILT IN SEVEN YEARS.
I MEAN, I'M ON, UM, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, WE DO HAVE RIGHT NOW A HOUSING ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, WORKERS, THEY'RE, THEY, WHATEVER THEY WANT, THEY'RE PAID FOR.
SO IN A WAY, LIKE I, I DO WANNA BE CONSIDERATE OF NO MATTER WHAT WORKERS ARE GONNA COME MM-HMM
AND WHO'S REALLY MAKING THE MONEY ON THAT.
UM, SO THE WORKERS, IF WE HAD AN ARMY PARK, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE MORE CONVENIENT FOR THE NEW PRICING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE ONLY HERE TEMPORARY.
THE PEOPLE, THE 80-YEAR-OLD PERSON THAT'S CALLING AND IS COMPLAINING, THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE UNTIL THEY PASS AWAY.
SO IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHO DO I WANT TO PLEASE? AND I'M VERY BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
BUT I ALSO, IN THAT CASE, I DO, IT'S JUST LIKE FOR ME, I'M, I'M STUCK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, AGAIN, AND I'M BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
NORMALLY I WOULD SAY YES RIGHT AWAY, BUT THIS IS, IT'S JUST
BECAUSE I'M ALSO THINKING, I DON'T WANT TO MOVE DOWN.
IF, IF HE LOOKS AT HOW MUCH INVESTMENT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR AN RV PARK AND HE CAN'T AFFORD IT, MAYBE DOWN, THEY MAKE IT VERY EASY.
SO THE RESORT, IF IT WAS THAT NIGHT, I'D GO, I'D GO FOR IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE ME ANYTHING.
AND THAT IF IT WAS A GUARANTEE, I WOULD SAY, OH, A BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, RV RESORT, THOSE ARE REALLY NICE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE I DON'T WANT TO LIVE OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M STUCK ON THE 55TH.
WELL, WE HAVE, AND, AND WE, I MEAN WE CAN, WE CAN EITHER ACCEPT OR DENY THEN IF WE WANT TO DENY WE CAN DO IT UNDER THE, UH, RESIDENTS THAT YEAH.
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CAN'T, THAT'S OUR ONLY WAY OUT.WE CAN'T JUST DENY IT BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT.
AND I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT CONSISTENCY BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS WHERE THIS PLACE HAD MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER WANTED.
AND WE WERE TOLD, WELL, AS LONG AS THEY FOLLOWED ALL THE GUIDELINES, WE HAVE TO SAY YES.
THAT RIGHT THERE, THE WAY THAT RIGHT THERE WAS, WE WERE YESTERDAY.
HE GOT KILLED AT COUNCIL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL HAS THE T THEY'RE THE DECIDING FACTOR.
WE, ALL WE DOING IS GIVING A RECOMMENDATION AND, AND, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION COMES UPON THE FACTS.
THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WITH A ZONING CASE, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A PLAT A PLAID.
PEOPLE CAN COME UP HERE AND SAY, I DON'T WANT IT, I DON'T WANT IT, I DON'T WANT IT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT MEETS ALL THE ZONING CASES ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE EXACT RULES.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE AND SEE IF IT FITS IN WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF IT FITS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF IT FITS IN WITH THE PEOPLE THAT'S SURROUNDING.
SO, UH, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DOING A ZONING CASE THAN A PLAT SORRY'S.
DO YOU HAVE TO DO THE PUBLICATION? WELL, I'LL JUST, I'LL SAY IT, BUT, ALRIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR NOT NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE A PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC HEARING? I MEAN, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FAR? IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FAR? NO ONE COMING TO THE MIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AGAINST? IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AGAINST? NO ONE COMING TO THE MIC IN A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE EXECUTIVE MEETING.
VOTE ON THE CASE NUMBER Z 25 DASH OH SEVEN REZONING.
WHAT DO YOU FIND? FIVE DASH OH SEVEN SECOND.
THAT WOULD DENY THE REZONING OF CASE NUMBER Z 25 DASH OH SEVEN.
[VII. NEW BUSINESS - NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS ]
WELL I WAS GONNA INTRODUCE OUR NEW, UH, EMPLOYEE HERE IN OUR, UH, ZONING DEPARTMENT.THIS IS MS. VICTORIA HERNANDEZ.
AND SHE IS, SHE, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR TITLE? AN ADMINISTRATIVE AID.
SHE'S ADMINISTRATIVE AID, BUT SHE ALSO DOES A TRAINING OF, UH, ZONING AND EVERYTHING.
SO SHE JUST STARTED A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO AND SO I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE HER.
VICTORIA HERANDEZ, HERANDEZ, UHHUH.
SO, SO, SO, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE STAFF REPORT WE HAVE.
WE DO HAVE A, NO, WE DON'T HAVE NOTHING.
HOW MANY DOES SHE HAVE? THE GIRLS OUT IN THE FRONT? LIKE KIMBERLY AND ALL? YEAH.
SO SHE'S DOES MORE OR LESS OFFICE WORKER DOES.
WELL SHE DOES HELPING ARIES AND YOU? YEAH, SHE SHE'S WORKING IN OUR OFFICE AND SHE DOES A LOT OF THE STUFF.
UH, Y'ALL NEED SOME HELP BACK THERE? YEAH, WE DO.
UH, CITY THIS SIZE USUALLY HAVE FOUR OR FIVE PLANNERS.
'CAUSE I'VE WORKED IN OTHER AREAS.
MY TITLE IS NOT PLANNER ANYMORE.
I USED TO BE SENIOR PLANNER, BUT ARIES TOOK IT OVER.
SO WE REALLY HAVE ONE PLANNER BY NAME, BUT TWO PLANNERS.
AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND WE DON'T EVEN DO ALL THE PLANNING WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO.
YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE THAN PLANNING THAN JUST PLANTS AND ZONING.
REMEMBER WE HAD, WE HAVE LOT, BUT WE JUST NEED SOME MORE HELP.
AND VICTORIA HAS STEPPED IN AND SHE'S TAKEN A LOT OF LOAD OFF OF US.
SO SHE COMES FROM A, A LOT OF PLACES.
SHE CAME FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE TOOK HER FROM DEMOLITIONS, BUT SHE WORKED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO SHE
AND THAT'S IT FOR OUR STAFF REPORT.
HOPEFULLY THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE WHAT'S THE, UH, NOVEMBER 17TH? RIGHT BEFORE THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING? I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON NEW CALENDARS THEN.
I'LL TELL PAM YOU REQUESTED THE NEW, THE NEW CALENDARS.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? AUR MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN PENDING ZONING
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MEETING.I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO ADJOURN THE OF ADJOURNMENT.
ADJOURNMENT IS 5:56 PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO OFF THE RECORD, CONGRATULATE DR.
SHE GOT MARRIED THREE, THREE WEEKS AGO.
AND HER SIGNIFICANT OTHER IS IN THE BACK.