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PROGRESS.[I. INVOCATION, PLEDGE & ROLL CALL]
GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO OUR, UH, SPECIAL, UH, MEETING TODAY ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025 AT 10:30 AM WE'D LIKE TO, UM, LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN JOIN OUR MEETING BY TELEPHONIC AND OUR VIDEO CONFERENCE BY JOINING, UM, US BY CALLING 8 7 7 8 5 3 5 2 4 7, OR 8 8 8 7 8 8 0 0 9 9.YOU CAN ENTER OUR MEETING ID AT 8 4 6 0 4 3 4 8 7 5 2, AND ENTERING THE PASS CODE OF 1 3 4 7 0 3.
AND ALSO YOU CAN ATTEND IN PERSON.
NEXT THING, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT, AND THE CITY WILL PROVIDE A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR ANY PERSON ATTENDING OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WE, YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE BY CALLING OUR CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AT 4 0 9 9 8 3 8 1 1 5.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU MUTE YOUR CELL PHONES, ALL OF OUR, UH, DEVICES, UM, MOBILE DEVICES, AND WE WILL HAVE NOW OUR INVOCATION, OUR PLEDGE, AND OUR ROLL CALL.
I'M GONNA ASK, UH, COUNCIL, UM, BAY LEWIS TO LEAD US IN PRAYER, AND WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE AND OUR ROLL CALL.
A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE LAW.
CITY SECRETARY, WOULD YOU ESTABLISH A QUORUM, PLEASE? MAYOR MOSES? HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK, PRESENT HERE.
[II. WORKSHOP]
GOING TO, UH, BEGIN ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS OUR WORKSHOP.WE'LL PICK UP, UH, KIND OF WHERE WE LEFT OFF ON LAST THURSDAY, OR, UM, BEGIN TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WERE PUT FORTH, UH, WITH A RESPONSE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, IF COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE, UM, QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN GETTING YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED OR COMMENTS, IF YOU COULD PUT YOUR LIGHTS ON SO WE CAN PROCEED ACCORDINGLY.
ANYBODY, ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS? YES, SIR.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YOU WANNA PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DOUCETTE.
OH, I KNOW YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD, UH, WANTED ANSWERED.
WELL, WE GOT THE PERSONNEL, SO LET'S, I'LL GO BACK THERE.
YOU WANNA GO BACK TO WHERE YOU RIGHT.
YOU, YOU ALL GIVE US EVERY YEAR, UH, NEW POSITIONS AND EVERY YEAR WHEN I GO THROUGH THE PERSONNEL SCHEDULE, I SEE WHEREBY YOU ELIMINATE A POSITION WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, BUT ADDED POSITION IN THE DEPARTMENT.
AND, UH, WHAT I SEE IS, UH, ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT COUNTED AS NEW POSITIONS.
WHEN I GO BACK THROUGH THE SCHEDULES LAST BUDGET, AND I REVIEWED IT, I SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THAT, AND AS I WENT THROUGH THIS BUDGET, I FIND IT TO BE THE SAME.
SO, TO TODAY, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT IT'S, LET'S SEE.
THE CITY, CITY SECRETARY IS THE FIRST ONE ON 2 57.
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WE ELIMINATED A ADMINISTRATIVE CLERK TWO POSITION, WHICH WAS A RANGE 17, AND WE ADDED A LEGAL SOFTWARE INTEGRATION ANALYST.SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THERE.
UH, ONE, WE ELIMINATED THE 17 AND HAD THE 18TH.
THE, UH, SOFTWARE THAT'S, UH, DID WE HAVE THAT ONE IN THE BUDGET? UH, WAS THAT ONE OF THE NEW POSITION YOU HAD? WHAT IS THIS? THEY GAVE US 12.
WHAT WAS IT? 12 NEW POSITION, WHAT? 14? THERE WERE 14 TOTAL FOR GENERAL FUND.
FOR THE CITY SECRETARY, THERE IS NO INCREASE AND THERE IS NO INCREASE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
I'VE BEEN SAYING IT EVERY, EVERY YEAR.
SOMEBODY TELL ME THAT POSITION.
THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THE RANGE PAY SCALE FOR THIS, FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THIS CITY IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
SO HOW DO YOU ALL GET TO DOING THIS WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL? AND I NOTICED A LOT OF THIS ALWAYS OCCURRED DURING BUDGET.
AND THEN WHEN WE QUESTION THINGS, WELL, IS IN THE BUDGET.
THIS, EVERYTHING COMING BEFORE US SHOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY COUNSEL, PREVIOUS COUNSEL SOMEWHERE.
ANYTIME YOU ALL GOING TO CHANGE A POSITION OR PAY RANGE, CHANGE IT FROM WHAT'S IN THE BOOKS.
SO, SO, SO WHY WE KEEP DOING THIS? LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
COUNCIL MEMBER DU SAID SALARY.
I MIGHT ASK THE PANEL A QUESTION.
SALARY RANGES ARE ASSESSED, UM, TO THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS TO THE JOBS BY THE HR DEPARTMENT.
AM I CORRECT? AM IS THAT THE QUESTION? NO.
LIKE, WE HAVE A RANGE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CLERK TWO HAS BEEN AT A RANGE 17 SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
MAYOR, ALL POSITIONS IN THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR IS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
ANY, ANY CHANGES? OH, IT'S APPROVED.
ANY CHANGES THE JOBS, ANY CHANGES IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S HOW YOU GOT THE PERSONNEL SCHEDULED TO DONE.
IT IS LIKE EVERYTHING WE DO, THE STAFF BRINGS IT TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL, APPROVE IT ONCE COUNCIL APPROVED.
HOW MANY POSITIONS, WHAT ARE THE RANGES? STAFF AND HR ARE EXECUTED.
BUT I THINK THE, ALL THE RANGES ASSIGNED, AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING BACK, COUNSEL.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THE RANGES ARE SET TO A SALARY, TO A JOB DESCRIPTION BASED UPON THE, AM I Y'ALL SOMEBODY NEED TO SAY, SAY SOMETHING OR I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
ARE THE, THE JOB TITLES, THE, THIS JOB DESCRIPTIONS, ARE THEY ASSIGNED BY, WHO ARE THOSE JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND THE SALARY RANGE ASSIGNED BY? IT'S BASED ON THE WAGE AND COMPENSATION PLAN THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
WE ADOPT A WAGE AND SCHEDULE PLAN.
BUT THOSE JOBS, AS THEY COME IN, THEY'RE ASSIGNED A CERTAIN SALARY RANGE BY THE HR DEPARTMENT.
AM I, IS THAT NOT, THAT'S, ARE WE DOING IT DIFFERENTLY? OR AM I SO I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO ME DIFFERENTLY.
LET ME GET BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL.
EVEN IF WE, EVEN IF IT'S ESTABLISHED, YOU COULD COME UP WITH WHATEVER YOU WANT WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING IN THE CITY OF PORT.
WELL, YOU SAYING THE FUNDING, I'M TALKING ABOUT FUNDING.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE RANGE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SALARY RANGE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE VERBIAGE RIGHT, SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND CLARITY FOR THE CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND.
YES, BECAUSE THE JOB RANGE, A JOB COMES WITH A CERTAIN RANGE.
ALL OF THE WAGE AND COMPENSATION PLAN WILL BE ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL, WHICH WE ARE APPROVING THAT.
SO THAT'S THE RANGE AND SALARY SCALE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY COUNCIL.
BUT THE ACTUAL, UH, ADMIN CLERK TWO ARE ADMINISTRATIVE AID OR WHATEVER, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY SECRETARY, WHATEVER THOSE JOB RANGES ARE, ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE JOBS BASED UPON LIKE
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THE YOUNG MAN WHO MADE THE PRESENTATION ON OUR WAGE AND COMPENSATION PLAN LAST WEEK.AND SO AM I, I'M MAKING WANNA MAKE SURE I'M FOLLOWING YOU CORRECTLY.
NO, MAYOR, THAT'S WHAT I'M QUESTIONING.
EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE QUESTIONING.
ONCE, ONCE A RANGE IS ESTABLISHED FOR POSITIONS AND POSITIONS ARE, ARE REQUESTED FOR DEPARTMENTS, THEN COUNCIL APPROVES IT.
NOW ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES IT, THEN IT'S, THEN IT'S IMPLEMENTED.
COUNCIL, SO, SO BASICALLY EVERYTHING YOU TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S WHAT I NOW UNDERSTAND.
THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING THIS BECAUSE WHENEVER WE START CHANGING THE POSITION IN A DEPARTMENT, IT'S CALLED RECLASSIFICATION.
SO WHEN YOU RECLASSIFY A JOB, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND YOU RECLASSIFYING IT FROM ONE JOB.
NOW YOU WANNA CALL IT, YOU WANNA UPGRADE THAT JOB AND YOU WANNA CHANGE IT SOMETHING ELSE.
SO YOU GO THROUGH A RECLASSIFICATION PROCESS AND AGAIN, THE, IT DOESN'T COME OUT THE WAGE AND SCHEDULE AND YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR UNDER THE WAGE AND PRICE THAT'S ATTACHED TO THAT CLASS.
RECLASSIFICATION IS A RECOMMENDATION COMING FROM THE HR DEPARTMENT.
AND IT'S APPROVED BY, AGAIN, THE WAGE AND COMPENSATION PLAN THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
MAYOR, IF YOU'RE GONNA BRING IT TO COUNCIL, THEN IT NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED SEPARATE.
IT SHOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN A BUDGET AS IF IT'S THE REGULAR PART OF IT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU KNOW, THIS SCHEDULE WE HAVE AND WE APPROVE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE IT, WE NEED TO KNOW YOU COME TO US, YOU SAY, I'M ADDING 12 POSITIONS.
YOU, YOU ADDING 12 POSITION, BUT YOU CHANGING THE, UH, THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND A RANGE OF A JOB.
WE NEED TO KNOW THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED TOO.
SO THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION TO GO WITH ANY CHANGES YOU'RE REQUIRING, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT RECLASSIFICATION, UM, AND WHY THEY'RE UPGRADING OR MOVING THAT JOB OUT OF THE WAGE AND SCHEDULE PLAN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYINGS? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
BECAUSE ALL SCHEDULES AND, AND AND RANGES ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
ONCE IT'S ADOPTED, THEN THAT IS OUR POLICY IN HR.
WHEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE A, A, A DESCRIPTION, UPGRADE, RECLASSIFICATION, ALL YOU DO, YOU, YOU TAKE THEIR ACTIONS, YOU BRING IT TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL APPROVES IT, IT'S NOW PERMANENT.
ALL OF THIS DEAL WITH FUNDING.
BUT SO, SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT IMPACTS ON FUNDING, BECAUSE YOU'VE ASKED, YOU ARE ASKING FOR A, A LOT MORE MONEY IN SALARIES AND BENEFIT.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT.
SO WHAT THE CHANGE IS FROM AN ADMIN CLERK TWO TO, UM, TO THE NEW JOB THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT'S THAT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING FROM A RANGE 17 OR A RANGE TO A RANGE 28.
SO YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT THAT SUBSTANTIATES THAT DIFFERENCE IS? WHAT, WHAT'S THAT? IS SUBSTANTIATING BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENCES AND THAT, THAT IT HADN'T BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL.
WELL, WELL, BASICALLY IF ALL ACTIONS OF THIS NATURE THAT, THAT, THAT HAD NOT BEEN APPROVED AND NOT PART OF OUR, UH, SCALE SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, BUT TO COUNCIL, AND LIKE I SAID, YOU, YOU, YOU ELIMINATED A 17 POSITION MM-HMM
AND YOU WENT ALL THE WAY TO A 28.
BUT THAT SHOULD BE DOCUMENTATION TO SUBSTANTIATE.
WHY THAT JOB MOVED FROM A RANGE 17 TO RANGE 28.
THAT'S WHAT I HAS THAT BEEN PRE PRESENTED BEFORE TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T NEED NOW.
SO DO, DO WE GET THOSE RELA ARE THOSE RECLASSIFICATION REQUESTS? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
THEY'RE THEY'RE CALLED, I'M UPGRADED.
I'M GETTING RID OF ONE POSITION.
AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN A NEW JOB BASED UPON MORE SKILLS AND ABILITY THAT YOU'RE ADDING.
SO THAT JUSTIFIES THE JOB DESCRIPTION WILL JUSTIFY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEING CHANGED.
SO ARE THOSE BEEN WHEN THE, UH, DEPARTMENT ASK FOR A RECLASSIFICATION, ARE THOSE RECLASSIFICATIONS THEN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL SO THEY COULD BE AWARE OF BEFORE BUDGET TIME? THAT'S HAPPENING NOW, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
SO THEY'RE NOT TELL ME AND TELL ME WHY.
ACCORDING TO WHAT POLICY, ACCORDING TO THE PERSONNEL POLICY.
THANK 'CAUSE WHAT WE ARE DOING, ALL NEW POSITIONS MM-HMM.
THAT ARE PUT INTO THE BUDGET ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
AS LONG AS THE POSITION IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
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WITHIN THE WAGE PLAN.IF WE DELETE IT, IF WE DELETE IT, WE'VE GOT COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
BUT WE'RE NOT DELETING, YOU'RE MOVING WITHIN, WE'RE NOT.
THAT'S, YOU'RE MOVING WITHIN THE WAGE AND SCHEDULE PLAN THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MOVING OUTSIDE OF THAT PLAN THAT WE ADOPTED AT BUDGET TIME'S.
QUESTION BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE MOVE, WHERE IS THE POLICY THAT YOU ALL CAN RECLASSIFY AND CHANGE A POSITION THAT'S PART OF A TAPE WITHOUT COUNSEL OF APPROVAL? WHERE IS IT WRITTEN? THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW.
I DON'T WANT NO EXPLANATIONS BECAUSE I GET, I GET TIRED OF ALL THE GOOD TALKING.
I WANNA SEE WHERE IS IT WRITTEN.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO AND GET A COPY OF THE PERSONAL POLICY? NO.
YOU COULD GIMME A COPY AND LET ME SEE.
AND, AND, AND I'LL AND I'LL BE SATISFIED WITH THAT.
BUT I TELL YOU, I WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, I'M GONNA MOVE ON.
BUT IF YOU DON'T PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT AUTHORITY WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL, RIGHT? THEN NOT ONLY AM I GONNA BRING IT BACK, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR GIVING SUCH A STATEMENT.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS IT IS GOING BACK TO YOU ALL HAVING AUTHORITY TO RECLASSIFY AND CHANGE A PERSONNEL SCHEDULE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
YOU ALL ARE CHANGING SOMETHING WITHOUT COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, WHICH YOU TELLING ME NOW WE GOT SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE COULD DO THIS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
WHAT I THINK IF YOU CREATE A NEW JOB, THEN YOU GOTTA COME TO COUNCIL TO, TO APPROVE THAT.
RIGHT? YOU'RE CREATING A NEW JOB.
SO THAT HAS TO COME BACK AND YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.
THEN YOU NEED TO BRING THAT BEFORE COUNCIL.
AND THE PERSONNEL POLICY SHOULD ADDRESS RECLASSIFICATION REQUESTS AND THE PROCESS BY WHICH THEY'RE DONE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN THE WAGE AND SCHEDULED PLAN ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT MOVING OUTSIDE OF THE PLAN.
UH, LET ME, LET ME START WITH THIS, THIS DEPARTMENT STEALING, UH, HR PERSONNEL SCHEDULE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE YOUR, DO YOU HAVE YOUR COPY WITH YOU? NO, SIR.
I DON'T WANT TO OH, SOLID WASTE.
NOW WE, WE ARE PICKING UP SOME NUMBERS.
WE, UH, ABOUT 19 NEW POSITIONS.
THERE IN THAT PO IN THAT DOG ON CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED.
YOU KNOW, MY THING AND MY UNDERSTANDING, I MEAN, WE'RE GIVING YOU GUYS EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, THE BASIC THINGS THAT CITIZENS PAY FOR, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT EQUIPMENT OPERATOR.
WE ARE GOING FROM 14 TO 26, RIGHT? AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY? 19 NEW JOB THAT'S ON PAGE 2 63.
THEN IF YOU GO TO EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, TWO WELDERS, WE'RE GOING FROM FIVE TO EIGHT.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT EQUIPMENT OPERATOR TWO, WE'RE GOING FROM FOUR TO SIX.
AND THEN MAINTENANCE WORKER NUMBER ONE, WE'RE GOING FROM ONE TO THREE.
I MEAN, DOC, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME BRIEFLY, BECAUSE YOU KNOW MM-HMM
WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S CRITICAL.
WE ARE BEHIND, I'M GETTING PHONE CALLS.
EVERYONE ON THIS DIOCESE IS GETTING PHONE CALLS ABOUT THE TRASH NOT GETTING PICKED UP.
YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR WORKERS.
AND THEN THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAY WHEN I GO BACK AND I TALKED TO YOU LAST, UH, BUDGET ABOUT PUTTING ALL THESE JOBS POSITIONS ON THE WEBSITE AND LET PEOPLE IN OR OUT IF YOU CAN APPLY WITHIN OR WITHOUT APPLY FOR THESE JOBS.
WE ONLY HAVE, I LOOK TODAY, 20 SOMETHING JOBS ON THE POST.
WHY? WHEN WE HAVE ALMOST 60, I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE HIDING? WHAT ARE WE HIDING? WHY DON'T WE PUT 'EM ON THERE? WHY DID IT TAKE SOMEBODY LIKE A COUNCIL MEMBER TO SAY, HEY, LET'S PUT THESE JOBS OUT THERE.
AND THE BEST PERSON THAT APOL, UH, APPLIES FOR THAT JOB WHEN, BUT IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THAT.
AND I CAN'T UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, I CAN JUST GO FROM PAGE TO PAGE, FROM LEGAL SOFTWARE, UH, INTEGRATION ANALYST ON PAGE 2 57.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT LAST TIME, BUT YOU WANTED IT THIS TIME.
WE CAN GO FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, CIP PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS ASK, I DON'T THINK
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NO ONE ON THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO DO NOT HELP THIS STAFF AND MANAGEMENT OUT TO APPLY FOR JOBS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED.UH, THE HOT THING FOR ME FOR SO MANY YEARS, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS THE GRANT, GRANT PERSON.
DO WE HAVE A GRANT WRITER RIGHT NOW ON STAFF? YES.
IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE WITH THAT, I'M SORRY.
UM, SO DID YOU, UH, YOU ALL REPLACED HELEN AND THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT? NO.
SO TELL ME, WAS THE GRANTS ACCOUNT, SHE WAS A GRANTS ACCOUNTANT.
I JUST WANTED TO, AND YOUR POSITION APPROVED BY COUNCIL, RIGHT.
AND THEN, UH, CDBG GRANT FUND GRANT PROGRAM SPECIALIST.
YOU HAD TWO WHAT? BEACH? UH, I'M SORRY, 2 58.
UH, YOU HAD TWO THAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE BUDGET FOR 24 25.
WE KNOW HOW CRITICAL GRANT WRITING IS TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE FINANCIAL NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKEN LAW.
THAT'S AN ACTUAL TITLE CHANGE.
WHAT IT IS, IS THAT THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE THAT HELD THAT TITLE, BUT DID DIFFERENT POSITIONS.
UM, SO THE REQUEST IS JUST TO DO A TITLE CHANGE FOR ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL TO BE A HOUSING PROGRAM SPECIALIST, BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY DO.
AND THEN THE GRANTS PROGRAM SPECIALIST IS THE GRANT WRITER.
SO IT'S NOT REDUCING THE POSITION OF GRANT WRITER.
THAT PERSON NEVER SERVED IN THAT CAPACITY.
BUT YOU SEE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, UH, TO GET THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION LIKE COUNCILMAN DOUCETTE SUGGEST.
I WOULD KNOW THAT LOOKING AT MY BOOK, BOOK READING OVER THE WEEKEND, TEARING IT UP AND TO GET THAT EXPLANATION RIGHT THERE MAKES TOTALLY SENSE TO ME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES ON THAT SIDE TO DISH, UH, TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING OR ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO GET FUNDING.
SO, UM, PERMITTING, PERMITTING, I MEAN, GUYS, UH, PERMIT ON 2 58 AGAIN, 2 58.
UH, PERMIT TECHNICIAN NUMBER TWO.
I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS.
THAT ONE IS, YOU HAD IT LAST YEAR NOW, OR YOU DID NOT HAVE IT LAST YEAR.
NOW YOU WANT TO HAVE A TWO THIS YEAR.
YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT, THAT WOULD BE SO IMPORTANT FOR ME.
BECAUSE I SEE THAT'S A CHANGE.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY PERMIT TECH, UM, TECHNICIANS.
THE INDIVIDUALS CURRENTLY HOLDING THOSE POSITIONS ARE CLASSIFIED AS PERMIT TECHNICIAN NUMBER ONES.
HOWEVER THEY MEET OR EXCEED THE QUALIFICATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD AND BE PROMOTED TO A PERMIT TECH NUMBER TWO.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT IS REFLECTED.
IF YOU LOOK RIGHT ABOVE IT, UNDER PERMIT TECH ONE, YOU SEE WHERE THERE WERE TWO POSITIONS THAT WERE UP UNTIL THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND NOW THE RE CHANGE IN RECLASSIFICATION IS BEING REQUESTED THIS FISCAL YEAR TO MOVE THEM TO TWO.
UH, SO PAM, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
MY, MY THING IS THIS, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
IF WE CAN, NEXT TIME YOU CAN SHARE, UH, SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION TO COUNCIL.
UH, BUT I'M WATCHING THE VACANCIES.
I WANT THE VACANCIES TO BE PUT PUBLICLY.
IF WE'RE GONNA BE BUDGETED EVERY YEAR, EVERY YEAR, THIS COUNCIL HAS TO PROVE BUDGET FOR VACANCIES AND OPPORTUNITIES.
SO CAN WE GET THIS ON THE WEBSITE? DON'T SAY IT'S IN THE POOL OR IT'S IN WORKINGS.
DON'T SAY THAT WE GOT IT ONLINE UNTIL THE JOB IS FILLED BY A NAME ALBERT PEN.
IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE WEBSITE.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE MONITORING THE SYSTEM DAILY OR WEEKLY OR EVERY TWO WEEKS, DROPPING JOBS.
DON'T JUST HOLD 'EM OFF FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON.
IF SUPERVISORS OR WHOEVER IS NOT DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO NEED TO GET THESE PEOPLE HIRED ON.
BECAUSE WHEN COUNCIL GET CALLS ABOUT FINDING OUT IF THERE ARE JOB VACANCIES TO HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE IN PORT ARTHUR, OR SOMEONE WANTS, AND I REFER 'EM, I REFER 16 NAMES TO YOU, DR.
SO OPPORTUNITIES ARE OUT THERE.
AND COUNCILMAN, IF I MAY, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, WE WANT TO FILL THE JOBS.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
WE WANT TO FILL THE JOBS, WE WANNA PUT THE RESOURCES IN PLACE THAT PEOPLE NEED.
SO WE ARE WORKING TOWARD THAT GOAL.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE WAY THE WEBSITE CURRENTLY APPEARS, AND WE ARE WORKING TO CHANGE IT SO THAT IT DOES MORE OF WHAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO.
WE UNDERSTAND THE MISSION, WE UNDERSTAND THE CHARGE, AND WE WILL GET IT DONE.
WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT WE CAN AGREE TO THIS.
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KNOW IT'S ON THERE.SOMEONE CALL ME ABOUT A JOB OVER THE WEEKEND, AND I WAS LOOKING, UM, FOR THE GRANT JOB, AND WHEN I WENT TO THE WEBSITE, I COUNTED THE JOBS THAT WERE THERE AND IT DIDN'T MATCH THE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN TRANSITION OF EITHER SOMEBODY'S BEEN HIRED, RETIRED, WHATEVER.
BUT BASICALLY THE, THE WEBSITE, OUR, IT HAS GOT, WE'VE GOTTA FIX IT TO WHERE WE CAN, WHOEVER'S GOING TO THAT WEB, IT WAS 26 JOBS THERE, BUT YET WE WERE TOLD 72 VACANCIES.
RIGHT? AND SO WE, WE'VE GOT TO, UM, WE, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THAT TO SOMEHOW, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF EDITING THAT SITE AND GETTING THAT IN THERE.
I'M, I'M NOT AN IT PERSON, BUT I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT COMPUTERS THAT YOU CAN ADD AND SUBTRACT, UH, REMOVE THOSE JOBS THAT ARE FILLED AND ADD THE JOBS THAT NEED TO BE, UH, PHIL, IT SHOULD REFLECT IN THAT WEBSITE.
LEMME SAY, MAYOR, THAT WE'VE HAD MEETINGS.
WE HAVE A PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE MISSION, UH, AND OF COURSE COMING FROM NATURE, OUR BACKGROUND, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE LOOK AT THE JOB, BUT WE WILL GET IT DONE.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DOUCETTE COUNCILOR.
MAYOR, I THINK YOU ON, YOU ON LIGHT OF WHAT I WANT TO SAY WITH THIS JOB INCREASE OF 841 THAT IS PROPOSED FOR THIS COUNCIL TO APPROVE.
AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE 8 8 19 DOC.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO JUMP ON THAT PRETTY QUICKLY.
MY SUGGESTION TO YOU, I ASK YOU GUYS TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
AND I DID GET YOUR, YOUR MEMO.
UH, I WAS TOO LATE IN PUTTING UP, BUT I WOULD LIKE A REAL BLOWN BLOWN.
SO EVERYONE THAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S VISITING THE, THE, THE SITE COULD SAY, LOOK, I WANT TO APPLY FOR THIS JOB.
IT'S AVAILABLE UNTIL IT'S TAKEN OFF.
MAN, THE MAYOR'S ON IT NOT HOLDING STATUS TRANSITION UNTIL IT'S TAKEN OFF.
AND, AND IS, AND I TALKED TO THEM, I THINK HAD A CONVERSATION.
ANY JOB FAIR THAT WE CAN BE A PART OF MM-HMM
UM, THE CHAMBER, THE A DC, UH, WE NEED TO BE A PART OF EVERY JOB FAIR THERE IS AND HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION FROM HR AT THOSE DIFFERENT, UH, JOB FAIR SO THAT WE CAN KNOW WE ARE HIRING.
THAT ALONE CAN CHANGE THE UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS IN PORT ARTHUR.
IF WE DID IT HERE IN, AT THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, WE COULD CHANGE WITH 70 SOMETHING VACANCIES, WE CAN HAVE THAT NUMBER GO.
OUR UNEMPLOYMENT GO DOWN BASED UPON JUST WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE SOMEHOW TRY TO FIND A WAY TO GET INTO THOSE, UM, THOSE JOB FAIRS THAT ARE CURRENTLY TAKING PLACE.
WE ALREADY HAVE PLANS TO PARTICIPATE IN TWO UPCOMING JOB FAIRS.
AND WE ALSO HAD PLANS TO ACTUALLY HOST THE JOB FAIR, AS WE DID BEFORE AT THE CIVIC COMMITTEE.
UH, WHEN YOU HOST A JOB FAIR, YOU, YOU LIST ALL THE JOBS THAT'S AVAILABLE.
WHAT AM I GOING TO FIND? WELL, ACTUALLY, COUNCILMAN, WHEN WE HOST, I AM I TO WAIT AND GET A BROCHURE.
I CANNOT LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
WELL, IF WE'RE HOSTING THE JOB FAIR, WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID WAS TO HAVE THE DEPARTMENTS WITH THE VACANCIES AVAILABLE SO THAT NOT ONLY COULD PEOPLE COMING IN INTERESTED IN JOBS KNOW WHAT JOBS WERE AVAILABLE, BUT THEY COULD ACTUALLY ASK THE DEPARTMENT, WHAT DOES THIS PARTICULAR JOB ENTAIL? OKAY.
NOW DO SAYS FOR EXAMPLE, HE, HE WORKED FOR THE CITY, HE'S LEAVING OR HE'S RETIRING OR SOMETHING.
WILL I FIND ON HIS EXIT POLL, ARE YOU ALL REQUESTING COMMENTS ON THE EXIT POLL? OR WHAT ARE YOU DOING? IS IT A VOLUNTEER OR YOU, AND IF I COME DOWN THERE AND REQUEST THE FILE OR SOMETHING TO REVIEW THE EXIT POLL, WHAT AM I GONNA FIND? WE HAVE DIRECTED AND ASKED THAT EMPLOYEES WHO ARE LEAVING TO CON COMPLETE AN EXIT INTERVIEW FORM.
ARE WE DOING IT? THAT WAS HIS QUESTION.
YOU SAYING WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE? ARE YOU DOING IT? OBJECT.
I THINK THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE WERE NOT DOING THEM, BUT I HAVE DIRECTED THAT THOSE DEFINITELY BE CARRIED FORWARD.
WE, WE GET TO A PERIOD OF TIME.
THIS IS ONE TIME A YEAR WHEN THE COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
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LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WE HIRE, THE PEOPLE WE HAVE WORKING AND MARRY THOSE TWO UP WITH THE NEEDS OF THE CITY.I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT PEOPLE WE NEED IN THIS CITY TO RUN THIS CITY AND RUN IT EFFICIENTLY.
THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE A YEAR.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE ADDRESS THIS DURING BUDGET TIME, WE MAKE SURE WE GET IT.
HOW MANY PES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? HIRED PES HIRED PERMANENT STAFF.
I, I'M TALKING M CITY EMPLOYEES.
HOW MANY PES CURRENTLY COUNCILMAN? I, UH, THREE ARE ON STAFF.
AND WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? UH, TWO ARE IN UTILITY OPERATE.
WELL, ALL OF THEM ARE IN PUBLIC SERVICES.
TWO ARE IN, UH, UTILITY OPERATIONS.
AND THEN THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES, CITY ENGINEER IS ALSO A PE.
THE REASON I SAY THAT, HAVING, HAVING, UH, SERVED ON COUNCIL DURING TIMES WHEN WE HAD PES, WE HAD TWO IN WATER UTILITIES.
UH, ONE WAS ACTUALLY DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A PE BUT HIS BACKGROUND WAS DESIGN.
SO I'M TALKING, UH, WHAT WAS HIS NAME? KELLY? YEAH.
AND THEN CHARLES GERRY WAS OTHER PE BUT HE AT WILL LORRAINE.
I MEAN NOT, I MEAN NOW WHAT WAS WILL WILL, LORRAINE? OH, ROSS.
ROSS IS THE ONE BECAUSE WILL WAS GONE.
BUT ROSS, BUT WE DID A LOT OF WORK HERE.
UH, WE DIDN'T CONTRACT SMALL THINGS.
YOU SEE, WE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY GIVING COMPANIES STUFF TO MANAGE OUR PROJECTS.
AND WHAT THEY DO, THEY SAY THEY OUT THERE, THEY AIN'T OUT THERE EIGHT HOURS A DAY.
BUT ANY, ANYTHING THE CONTRACTOR DO, IF WE DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, THEY AIN'T GONNA DO NOTHING.
SO WE PAYING A LOT OF MONEY IN ENGINEERING.
WHEN YOU START ASKING FOR DESIGN FOR SIMPLE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS IN HOUSE.
IF WE HIRE AND WE HAVE PES, WHAT WE PAYING FOR ONE, ONE PROJECT MAY PAY FOR THAT PERSON'S SALARY AND BENEFIT FOR COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH WHAT WE DO INTERNALLY AND WHAT WE CONTRACT OUT.
OUR ENGINEERS ARE PE THEY ALL SHOULD BE PAID A GOOD SALARY.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE COMPETING WITH.
IF WE WANT GOOD ENGINEER, WE COMPETING WITH THE SECTOR OUT THERE.
BUT WHAT WE DO, WE GOT, WE GOT THEM AND WE, AND WE CONTRACT.
SO EVEN IF WE HAD TO HIRE ANOTHER PE TO, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IT'D BE WORTH OUR MONEY.
WE NEED TO DO MORE INSIDE BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY CONTROL IT.
YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SAY WE WANT TO DESIGN THIS STREET.
OUR GUY MIGHT DESIGN IT IN, UH, WELL, I KNOW IN, UH, SHORTER TIMEFRAME BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE'S GONNA BE DOING DURING THIS STREETS.
YOU GIVE IT TO A FIRM, THEY'RE GONNA GET TO IT WHEN THEY GET TO IT.
WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I WON'T BE AROUND, BUT COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE AROUND NEXT TIME, WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HAVING AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT CAN ACTUALLY DO MORE.
AND, UH, WE NOT GET SO MUCH CONTRACTS OUT BECAUSE WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON CONTRACTING OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE LARGER THING WE CAN'T TIE OUR ENGINEERS UP WITH FOR LARGER PROJECTS LIKE THESE DRAINAGE PROJECTS, THAT'S TOO MUCH TO GET INVOLVED WITH.
BUT, UH, BUS STOPS AND ALL THIS STUFF HERE, I'VE SEEN US CONTRACT OUT.
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WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE.MANNING FOR PERSONNEL PHYSICIANS, WE ELIMINATED ALL THOSE OVER THERE AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THAT WAS THE NURSES, THAT WAS TEMPS THAT HAD TWO PRIMARY NURSES, I THINK.
WHERE IS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT? IT'S ON PAGE, UM, TWO, UH, ELK.
NO, NO, THAT'S NOT VERY MM-HMM.
ALL THOSE POSITIONS, WERE THEY, WERE THEY POSITIONED THAT WERE CREATED WITH COVID OR, OH, THAT'S A LOT OF POSITION.
WHAT HAPPENED? THEY LOST, THEY LOST THEIR COVID GRANT.
SOME OF THEM WERE, AND SOME OF MOST OF THEM WERE GRANT FUNDED, OR ALL OF THEM WERE GRANT FUNDED.
WHAT, WHAT? THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHY DO WE INCLUDE THESE GRANT FUNDING POSITIONS IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, SCHEDULE.
THEN WHY DO WE INCLUDE THEM? THOSE AREN'T PERMANENT.
BUT ON PAGE 2 62, WE HAVE THEM SEPARATED OUT AS TO WHICH ONE IS ACTUALLY GENERAL FUND FUNDED VERSUS THE FUNDS THAT THEY COME FROM.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT FUNDED IN GENERAL FUND ON THE HEALTH, THEY'RE FUNDED THROUGH THE HEALTH GRANT, WHICH IS 1 0 1.
WE PUT ALL OF THE POSITIONS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE SUBJECTED TO OUR MATCHES ON THERE.
DO YOU SEE THAT ON PAGE 2 62? I'VE GOT A GENERAL FUND LINE AND THAT'S STRICTLY GENERAL FUND.
2, 2 62 IS NOT TOTAL G UM, CDB G'S 2 62.
I DON'T SEE, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL GENERAL FUND RIGHT BESIDE THEM.
THEY'LL HAVE A NUMBER SUCH AS 1 0 1 OR 1 0 1 6 9.
UH, I GOTTA HAVE A PHD TO KEEP UP WITH THIS STUFF.
THANK, WELL, YOU SAID 1 0 1 AND 1 62 IS THE CODE THAT THAT SUGGESTS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT HEALTH GRANT 1 0 1, WHAT WAS THE OTHER, UH, UH, CODE THAT YOU SAID? 1 6 9 1 6 9.
SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING, UH, FROM LAST YEAR, FROM ADOPTED YEAR 24 25 TO THE REQUESTED FOR 25, 26, 12 POSITIONS WHERE WE NO LONGER HAVE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO GET THIS.
BUDGET, EVERY TIME I THINK I HAVE A IDEA THAT I, I GOT THE ANSWER.
WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE IN THESE CODES AND STUFF.
I EXPECT COUNCIL MEMBERS TO KNOW THESE CODE.
YOU GOTTA GIVE US A LIST OF SOMETHING.
I'VE SAID THIS A THOUSAND TIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP REFERRING TO CODES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU AND YOUR, AND YOUR PEOPLE IN, IN FINANCE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, TO US, WE NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS.
LYNN, YOU JUST, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE IT'S GREEK TO US.
YOU THE 1 0 1 FUND, THE 5 0 1 FUND, THE 3 0 7 FUND.
IT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND THAT GOOD TO US.
AND IT DOESN'T SOUND GOOD TO CITIZENS.
I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL TO USE WORDS TO DESCRIBE FUNDING BECAUSE EVERY, EVERY CODE, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DESCRIPTION.
WE HAVE DESCRIPTIONS WITH CODES, YOU KNOW, SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, UH, WATER, WATER UTILITIES, UH, WATER TREATMENT FUND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THOSE THINGS WE UNDERSTAND.
BUT YOU'RE GIVING IT ALL THESE NUMBERS THAT I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS.
SO YOU GAVE ME A LIST, BUT WE NEED,
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WE NEED LISTS SOMETIMES.I THINK WE CAN, UH, A SCHEDULE OF, UH, DEPARTMENT CODE NUMBERS THAT WE PROVIDE, THINK DIFFERENT, UM, DEPARTMENT HEADS WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THEIR WATER IS FOUR 10.
ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT DELINEATE AND UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
MAYBE WE CAN COMPILE A CHART OR SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, UM, ACCOUNT NUMBERS, MAYBE NOT THE, THE WHOLE NUMBER, BUT BASICALLY SHOWING HOW THEY IDENTIFY AND A SCHEDULE OR, UM, A SPREADSHEET WOULD BE GOOD TO, FOR US TO KNOW.
SO THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE SOME RELATABLE INFORMATION TO KNOW ON WHAT'S ATTACHED TO WHOM, UM, TO WHAT COUNT.
COUNCILMAN DOUCETTE, YOU ARE YOU, YOU DONE? OKAY? YEAH.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT'S ON PERSONNEL? WELL, ON, UH, THE BUDGET.
WELL, WELL, ARE YOU DONE WITH PERSONNEL? I, I MEAN, I'M DONE WITH, UH, PERSONNEL.
WHAT DO YOU FEEL AT ALL? I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S A PICKUP FROM LAST WEEK'S.
UM, THIS IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND FOR LYNN.
UM, I HAD FORWARDED YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE LAST WEEK.
DID Y'ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT? OKAY.
I KNOW THE 5.5 MILLION FOR THE PUMPS AND ALL THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG ASK, BUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EMAIL NEVER MADE IT FROM PARTS AND REC TO YOU GUYS, BECAUSE THE ONE THAT I RECEIVED WAS, IT WAS ONLY ADDRESSED TO MYSELF AND TO CHANDRA.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF SHE EVER FORWARDED IT TO YOU OR NOT.
UM, I AM TOLD THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, SOME MONEY AVAILABLE FROM THE STONEGATE DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT WE CAN MOVE OVER TOWARDS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE GOLF COURSE NEEDS THAT IS A RESULT OF THAT DRAINAGE PROJECT.
AND I'LL, I'LL GET WITH YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TAKE FROM HIS REQUEST AND ADD TO THE BUDGET FOR THE GOLF COURSE THIS YEAR, GREAT.
IF NOT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ROLL IT OVER TO NEXT YEAR.
BUT THE 5.5 MILLION FOR SURE I SAW IT WAS THERE.
YES, I DO SEE YOUR, I DO SEE YOUR EMAIL COUNCIL MEMBER BECKHAM, AND I BELIEVED THAT THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED AND WAS ALREADY INCLUDED IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR CAPITAL BUDGETS.
SO THAT 5.5 MILLION, THAT'S THE LINE ITEM FOR THE GOLF COURSES.
IT INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT INCLUDES IT.
WE USUALLY JUST GET A LIST OF WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS AT THAT TIME.
SO I CAN GO BACK TO MS. ALPO AND MAKE SURE THAT IT INCLUDES THAT.
AND IN ADDITION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE STILL DO A TRANSFER OF ABOUT 50,000 TO THE GOLF COURSE AS WELL.
AND IF YOU CAN POINT ME TO THAT IN THE BUDGET SO THAT I CAN SEE IT AND I CAN POINT THE GUYS AT THE GOLF COURSE TO THAT AS WELL SO THEY CAN SEE IT.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE WORKSHOP? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, FRANK, NO.
UM, ONE OF THE GRAVE CONCERNS THAT I GET, UH, FROM OUR CITIZENS IS THE WAY THAT OUR CITY LOOKS FROM THE PARTICULAR STANDPOINT OF MAKING SURE THAT DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS AND, UM, UM, THAT ARE HERE, THE SIT THE, THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE RED TAGGED AND, UH, SET TO BE TORN DOWN.
UH, THAT, THAT, UH, IS, IS, IS BEING CARRIED OUT.
AND SO AS I'M LOOKING AT IT, I'M LOOKING AT THE BUDGET FOR IT.
UM, I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE, UH, GETTING THE BANG FOR THE BUCK, THAT WE'RE SPENDING THE MONIES, BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THESE MONIES IN A WAY IN WHICH, UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE RESULTS READILY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE OUTLINED INDIVIDUALS, THE COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED IT, THAT THESE MONIES ARE BEING UTILIZED SO THAT WE CAN BE ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF TEARING DOWN STRUCTURES AND THAT THERE'S A TIMETABLE ATTACHED TO THE UTILIZATION OF THESE FUNDS SO THAT ALL OF THOSE FUNDS ARE EXPENDED AND THAT OUR CITY IS, IS SHOWING THAT WE ARE SPENDING MONEY FOR THE DEMOLISHING OF STRUCTURES THAT ARE JUST IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
SO I WANTED TO BE SURE I SEE WHERE, UH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, UM, $300,365,000
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ALLOCATED FOR THAT PER, UH, PAGE 68.SO I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE ADDRESSED THAT AND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL MIGHT NEED FOR THE UTILIZATION OF THESE FUNDS.
THE PROPOSED REQUEST FOR 26 IS ACTUALLY 710,000.
THAT WOULD BE UNDER OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES.
IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT LET'S UTILIZE IT.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITY, I MEAN OUR CITIZENS ARE, WE ARE, WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITIZENS SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT MONEY.
ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER DOUCETTE.
YOU, YOU ANSWERED THEM ALL THE QUESTIONS.
THE QUESTIONS I HAD LAST MEETING, I MEAN, LAST WORKSHOP, A COMMENTS.
DO YOU HAVE THE ATTACHMENTS THAT ARE WITH YOU? I BELIEVE THERE WAS A, YEAH, I GOT ONE WITH THE PARK AND RECREATION.
AND THEN YOU HAD ASKED, HERE'S ONE MORE THAT I HAD, UH, INADVERTENTLY CONTINGENCIES.
YES, I HAVE THE COPIES OF THE CONTINGENCIES.
AND THIS IS MR. MICHAEL CURTIS.
HE'S THE CONTROLLER FOR THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR.
WELL, I TELL YOU, I ONE PLEASE.
I HAVE TO LOOK THIS, THIS OVER.
I MAKE, I'M NOT GONNA HOLD UP THE MEETING.
IT'S JUST ONE, IT'S ONE PAGE PER PERSON.
ONE PAGE PERSON I, I GOING THROUGH ALL THIS HERE AND NOT TODAY.
WHAT ABOUT OVERTIME FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? WHAT WE COME UP WITH THAT FIRST ONE? YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TO HERE.
OH, I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT IT WAS.
Y'ALL GOT QUESTIONS? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANT.
NO, I, I WANTED THIS TO SEE, BUT I LOOKED AT IT.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT FORM BRIEFLY.
UM, THE CONTINGENCY FUNDS HERE, IF YOU THINK WE LOOKED AT SOMETHING GREEK EARLIER.
OH, IT WAS AN OVERVIEW REAL QUICKLY.
CAN YOU DO THAT FOR ME? I CAN.
UM, THERE WAS $245,000 THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR CONTINGENCY FOR FY 25.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF $17,446 AND 68 CENTS THAT HAS BEEN EXPENDED FROM THAT ACCOUNT.
LEAVING A REMAINDER OF $232,083 THAT HAS BEEN UNTOUCHED.
WHAT THE ITEMS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF CONTINGENCY.
WE RECEIVED A DELINQUENT TAX BILL FOR SOME PROPERTIES THAT WERE PURCHASED THAT WAS UNBEKNOWN WAY BACK.
UM, THIS DELINQUENT TAX BILL WAS UNBEKNOWNST TO THE CITY.
UM, IT WAS IN THE TOTAL OF $13,120 AND 5 CENTS.
AND CONTINGENCY WAS USED TO RESOLVE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS THE, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WAS MADE TO THE FOURTH FLOOR, UH, CONFERENCE ROOM, UM, WITH THE NEW ADDITIONS OF THE, UH, SYSTEM WHERE YOU COULD DO THE ZOOM MEETINGS AND SO FORTH.
THAT EXPENDITURE CAME FROM CONTINGENCY AS WELL.
WELL, I'M GLAD, I'M GLAD, UH, MAYOR MOSES ASKED, UH, THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN MY THING.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T PLAN TO DO THINGS WITH CONTINGENCY.
BECAUSE YOU LISTEN THINGS NOW OR YOU SAYING THINGS THAT Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE DISCUSSED AND DECIDED PRIOR TO US MAKE DOING A BUDGET.
AND THAT'D BEEN MY, UH, COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT CONTINGENCY BEING THAT LARGE.
BECAUSE YOU GO BACK THROUGH ALL BUDGETS WITHIN
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THE LAST TWO YEARS, YOU DECIDE TO HAVE ALL THESE LARGE CONTINGENCIES SLUSH, UH, UH RIGHT.SLUSH IS A SLUSH FUND BECAUSE WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO WITH SLUSH FUNDS.
THEN DURING THE YEAR YOU DECIDE, OH, WE GONNA DO THIS.
WELL, WE DID SOMETHING ON THE FOURTH FLOOR.
WHAT WAS IT YOU MENTIONED, PAM? UH, IT WAS THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE AV SYSTEM.
YOU SEE THAT WAS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR.
YOU SEE, UH, IMPROVEMENT? NO, WHEN WE DO BUDGET, THAT'S WHAT BUDGET IS FOR, TO PLAN TO DO THAT.
THAT THAT DOESN'T, THIS UPCOMING YEAR, YOU KNOW, CONTINGENCY, IT'S JUST BEEN, AND, AND ALL THROUGH THE YEAR, I HEAR WHEN IT COMES UP TO US FOR APPROVAL, I DON'T KNOW THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND I ASKED A QUESTION, DID SOMEBODY SAY IT WAS BUDGETED FOR IT? OKAY.
OH, WE GONNA HIRE THIS INDIVIDUAL TO DO THIS FAR AS ARE WE GOING TO HIRE THIS PERSON TO DO THIS? AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING AND WE SAYING WE GOT MONEY FOR, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE MONEY.
EVERY, ALL THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET SHOULD BE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THE MONEY EXCEPT FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE.
THOSE AREAS THEY OPERATE IN O AND M, THAT'S ROUTINE.
AND, AND YOU BASE THAT ON YOUR PREVIOUS TWO YEARS.
FOR US, THE STATE REQUIRES PREVIOUS ONE YEAR, ALL YOUR FUNDS SHOULD BE BASED ON THAT YEAR.
PORT ARTHUR SAYS WE DO TWO YEARS, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE IT GIVE YOU A BETTER OUTLOOK OF WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT YOU DON'T PUT MONEY IN THERE.
TALK ABOUT CONTINGENCY AND THEN WE START DOING THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S PROJECTS.
THEN YOU GO BACK TO WHAT THE STATE REQUIRE.
THE STATE SAYS EVERY PROJECT FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR MUST BE LISTED IN AN ESTIMATED COST FOR EACH PROJECT.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THIS INFORMATION FOR PARK AND RECREATION.
WHEN YOU TELL ME YOU GOT 274 70 $5,000, OKAY, WHAT YOU GONNA DO FOR IT? I RECEIVED THE, UH, THE SHEET TODAY AND I LOOK AT IT RIGHT.
AND IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, UH, AND EVERYTHING.
IT'S NOT DETAILED, BUT AT LEAST IT'S SOMETHING.
BUT WE GOTTA JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN.
BECAUSE WHEN WE SAY THIS MONEY, IT'S ESTIMATED.
SO YOU AIN'T GOTTA BE EXACT, IT'S ESTIMATED, BUT IN ORDER TO GET AN ESTIMATION, YOU GOTTA DO SOME, SOME HOMEWORK.
YOU GOTTA GO OUT THERE AND FIND OUT ABOUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
'CAUSE IF IT'S MORE THAN WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, YOU CAN'T PUT IT ON A BUDGET.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, THEN WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET.
THAT'S HOW WE GET ESTIMATED COSTS.
I'M ALWAYS, WE OUT OF TOUCH WITH 'EM IN THIS CITY.
YOU PUT 'EM IN EVEN DEPARTMENTS NOW YOU GO ADMINISTRATIVE THEN AN APARTMENT CONTINUOUSLY.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS THAT'S SLUSH FUNDS.
YOU KNOW? NOW THE 1 MILLION THAT THE QUESTION I ASKED IF NOBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING.
COUNCILMAN LEWIS HAS HIS LIGHT ON.
THE CITY MANAGER, YOU INTRODUCED HIM.
I MISSED, IS HE A NEW PERSON? LYNN INTRODUCED HIM.
YEAH, LYNN SAID I MISSED WHEN Y'ALL WAS TALKING ABOUT IT.
THIS IS MICHAEL CURTIS, THE NEW CONTROLLER FOR THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR CONTROLLER.
OH, HE TOOK ARIEL GIBBS'S PLACE.
TODAY'S THE SECOND DAY, SO HE'S GONNA BE WATCHING YOU.
TODAY'S THE SECOND DAY ON THE JOB,
COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HAVE NO MORE LIGHTS.
WE ON THE ONE HE DON'T HAVE HIS LIGHT ON.
WE ASKED ALREADY THE 1 MILLION FOR FAR, UH, YOU SAID SUGGESTED SOMETHING ABOUT THE ONE OVERTIME TALKING ABOUT THE BILL PAYING OVERTIME.
JUST, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
I THINK WE WERE, LAST, WE WERE MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS BUILT IN FOR OVERTIME.
UH, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WAS THAT, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA HIRE AND GET POSITIONS, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO COMBAT THAT? UH, I'M UNDERSTANDING.
LET ME GET TO, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF.
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HOLD ON CHIEF REAL QUICK WHILE YOU'RE WALKING UP HERE.FIRE, HOW MANY ACTUALLY, FIREMENS DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE CHIEF? WE HAVE 115, UH, CERTIFIED FIREFIGHTERS AND WE HAVE THREE SECRETARIES FOR A TOTAL OF, UH, 118 PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT TOTAL.
JUST NOT TO, YOU KNOW, THE SINGLE YOUR DEPARTMENT OUT, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL LOOKS AT THE OVERTIME THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED, AND THAT'S JUST WHAT OUR JOB IS AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, POLICE HAS A, A HIGH VOLUME AND OVER TIME AS WELL.
SOME AND SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, SOME IN PUBLIC, UH, WORKS.
BUT OUR JOB IS TO OVERSIGHT, UH, THE BUDGET.
UNDERSTAND WHAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE THE, THE NUMBERS IN THE BUDGET.
SO IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT DO YOU FIGURE OUT OR WHAT'S, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP COMBAT THAT MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN FOR OVERTIME TO SHOW THE TAXPAYERS THAT WE ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE IF WE NEED TO HELP YOU WITH HIRING MORE FIREFIGHTERS, IF WE NEED TO, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, SO LET ME KNOW.
I I'LL BE, I'LL BE VERY FRANK.
UM, WE'RE BASICALLY DOING THE SAME JOB WE DID 30 YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE MAKING, WHEN RIGHT AROUND 1200 CALLS A YEAR.
TODAY WE'RE DOING CLOSER TO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 18 TO 20,000 CALLS A YEAR.
SO WE GOT MUCH MORE CALL VOLUME THAN WE HAD WAY BACK THEN.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE HAVE MORE EXPENDITURES WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, UH, EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE, VEHICLE REPLACEMENT, AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.
UM, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA EFFECTIVELY BE ABLE TO ATTACK OVERTIME IS MORE PERSONNEL.
UM, THE, WE HAVE VERY, TH TH THERE'S A GREAT DEAL MORE IN MANDATORY, UH, UH, EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, CES THAT WE HAVE TO DO CONTINUING EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS EVERY YEAR FOR THE VARIOUS JOBS THAT WE DO, WHETHER IT'S, UH, FIREFIGHTING, EMS, HAZMAT, UM, TECHNICAL RESCUE DIVE TRAINING, WHAT HAVE YOU, AND ALL THAT TAKES A HIT AS WELL AS REGULAR AS WELL AS OUR REGULAR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, PUTTING PEOPLE THROUGH FIRE OFFICER TRAINING, DRIVER OPERATOR TRAINING AND SO FORTH.
UM, THE, UM, LAST YEAR I REQUESTED A MILLION DOLLARS IN OVERTIME AND, UH, COUNCILMAN DOUCETTE QUESTIONED ME ON THAT AS VERY WELL.
HE SHOULD HAVE, AND I THINK THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AT THE TIME POINTED OUT THAT WITH 30 DAYS LEFT TO GO IN THE BUDGET YEAR, WE WERE AT, UH, 1.2 MILLION ALREADY.
I'M REQUESTING A MILLION DOLLARS AGAIN THIS YEAR AND WE'RE ALREADY OVER BUDGET.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.
THE ADVICE THAT THE DS PROVIDED ME LAST YEAR WAS REQUEST A REASONABLE AMOUNT, AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO DO A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT, WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL DO A, A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
WELL, HEY, THANK YOU CHIEF FOR YOUR EXPLANATION.
UH, I LOOK, I'M LOOKING HERE AT THE BUDGET, PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, LAST YEAR, BUDGET YEAR.
YOU HAD FIVE, UH, BATTALION CHIEF THIS YEAR.
YOU ASKING FOR SIX ALONG WITH, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
ALONG WITH, UH, DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF, YOU HAD TWO LAST YEAR, NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR ONE.
AND THEN, BUT THEN IF YOU, WE GONNA CUT DOWN ON WHILE YOU KIND OF GOING PERUSE THROUGH YOUR, YOUR NOTES.
YOU, UH, YOUR NUMBERS STAY THE SAME, BUT HOW ARE WE GONNA COMBAT THAT MONEY OR THAT OVER TIME DEFICIT OR WELL, OKAY.
DEFICIT, IF WE'RE GONNA COMBAT THAT, WHY ARE YOU NOT ASKING FOR MORE INDIVIDUALS TO, TO ACCOMMODATE YOU AND, AND ACCOMPLISH IN YOUR MISSION? SO, UH, I SENT AN EMAIL TO, UH, HR AND FINANCE, UH, ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO WHENEVER THIS PROPOSED BUDGET CAME OUT.
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IDENTIFYING THOSE NUMBERS.NONE OF THOSE NUMBERS ON, ON THAT PAGE RIGHT THERE WHERE IT IS SHOWING OUR EMPLOYEE STAFFING, ALMOST NONE OF 'EM ARE CORRECT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THERE.
CHIEF, YOU SAID ON THIS, THE ONE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS IS NOT CORRECT.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME REVISIONS NEED TO BE MADE ON THIS.
SO WE HAVE ONE ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY, WE HAVE SIX BATTALION CHIEFS.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF, WE HAVE, UH, TWO EXECUTIVE SECRETARIES.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE FIRE CHIEF, WE HAVE 32 FIRE ENGINEERS, WE HAVE ONE FIRE MARSHAL AND WE HAVE 39 FIREFIGHTERS FOR A TOTAL OF 118 EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.
WELL MANAGER, WE, WE CAN'T GET THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION LIKE THIS.
YOU, YOU REALIZE GUYS, WE NEED ACCURATE INFORMATION WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AT ALL TIMES.
SO THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN, IN THE NUMBERS AND HOW HE'S, UH, COMBATING HIS, HIS OVERTIME BUDGET.
SO CAN WE GET AN INSERT WITH THE CORRECT NUMBERS IMMEDIATELY? BECAUSE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CHIEF TURNED IN AND THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE THE CORRECT INFORMATION AND IT'S ACCURATE, I MEAN, I'M ASKING, WE ARE BUILDING A TEAM, WE ARE ASKING THE SAME THING AND IT'S DIFFERENT UNTIL I GET THESE NUMBERS.
I'M ASKING HIM HOW ARE WE GONNA COMBAT THAT BUILT IN OVER TIME? AND HE'S ASKING FOR THE NUMBERS.
SO CAN WE GET AN INSERT WITH THE CORRECT INFORMATION? LYNN? LYNN IS JUST INFORMED ME THAT IT'S UPDATED.
SHE'LL PROVIDE YOU THE YEAH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT.
WE DON'T HAVE IT AT THIS TO YOU TODAY.
SO IN THOSE PREVIOUS YEARS, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE NOT CORRECT EITHER.
UM, WE'VE NEVER HAD 120 EMPLOYEES.
CHIEF, I'M GONNA STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PROLONG THIS UNTIL WE GET AN INSERT BECAUSE WHAT I DID OVER THE WEEKEND, I WENT THROUGH MY BOOK.
I I READ YOUR YOUR, YOUR BUDGET.
UH, I ALSO TALKED WITH, UH, ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'M, I'M, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS OR WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS TO ENSURE THE PUBLIC TAXPAYERS THAT WHEN THEY SEE THAT REQUEST FOR A MAIL, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING TO COMBAT THAT? ARE WE GETTING MORE, THE MOST OBVIOUS THING IS TO HIRE MORE EMPLOYEES.
WHICH YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO UNTIL I GET ANOTHER COPY OR INSERT THAT REFLECTS YOUR TRUE NUMBERS FROM LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR, I HAVE NO COMMENT BECAUSE I'M GONNA DO MY OWN HOMEWORK.
CHIEF, DO YOU NEED ANYTHING? NOPE, I'M GOOD.
YEAH, I HAD ONE, ONE QUESTION I WROTE AFTER YOU RESPONDED TO, UH, COUNCILMAN KEN, I QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO OVERTIME AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU'D SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, FIREFIGHTER IN THE DAY REQUIRES MORE A LOT OF CERTIFICATION AND ALL OF THIS.
ALSO YOU GOT PERSONNEL, IT'S CALLS FOR A LOT OF MANAGEMENT NOW MAKING SURE WE MANAGE THE PEOPLE THAT WE USE THE PEOPLE.
SO IT AIN'T LIKE JUST THIS PERSON HERE AND THIS PERSON HERE.
THEN WHEN WE CAN'T DO THAT, THEN YOU GO TO THE POINT WHEREBY, UH, COUNCILMAN KINLOCK BROUGHT UP, YOU BRING TO THE MANAGER, BRINGS TO US A JUSTIFICATION AND HEY, THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FUNCTION.
BUT YOUR MISSION IS TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS AND EVERYTHING.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU TELL ME THAT WE GOT TO HAVE ALL THIS OTHER TIME, 'CAUSE WE SEND THEM, THEY GOTTA GO GET CERTIFICATIONS AND ALL THAT.
IT SOUNDS GREAT EXPLANATION CHASE, BUT WHEN I SEE THIS MUCH MONEY, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, I'M GONNA GO AND SEE ARE WE SETTING IT UP SO THAT SOME PEOPLE GO THIS YEAR, SOME PEOPLE GO NEXT YEAR AND STRAIGHT OF PEOPLE GOING WHEN THEY WANT OR CONVENIENCE.
I'M GONNA START LOOKING AT EVERYBODY WHO MAKE, WHO GET OVERTIME AND WHAT THE OVERTIME WAS FOR.
SO SOMETIME, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY THINGS AND AND STUFF, BUT I JUST CAN'T SEE A HUNDRED.
HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS DO WE HAVE? ACTUALLY, FIREFIGHTERS, UH, LEMME GO BACK TO LIKE I SAID, 115, UH, SWORN PERSON.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST FIREFIGHTERS.
SO WE HAVE 33 PEOPLE ON EACH SHIFT.
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33 PEOPLE ON EACH SHIFT.MINIMUM STAFFING ON ANY GIVEN DAY AT ANY GIVEN TIME, IT'S 27 PEOPLE.
SO IF I HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT ON VACATION, IF I HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S OFF SICK, IF I HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S OFF, UH, INJURED, THAT SHRINKS THOSE NUMBERS DOWN.
SO AT ANY GIVEN TIME, I COULD HAVE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE OFF SICK.
I COULD HAVE SOMEBODY OFF ON EXTENDED, UH, INJURY LEAVE THAT PULLS THOSE NUMBERS DOWN AND WE HAVE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.
THE ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS FOR ME TO BROWN OUT STATIONS IF YOU WANT ME TO SHUT DOWN A FIRE STATION CHIEF, CHIEF.
NO, DON'T, DON'T SAY THAT I CAN DO THAT.
DON'T MAKE A COMMENT LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND THAT'S NOT JUSTIFICATION.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I EVER WANT TO DO.
NO, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.
SO, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE NEVER DO THAT IN THIS CITY, SO WE DON'T MAKE THOSE KIND OF STATEMENTS.
I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR POINT BESIDES MAKING A STATEMENT LIKE THAT.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
IF WE NEED 33 PEOPLE ON A SHIFT, WHAT ARE THE 33 PEOPLE DOING? OKAY.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW WE SPENT THIS MILLION DOLLARS OVERTIME AND STUFF, I WON'T BE ON, I WON'T BE HERE FOR THE NEXT BUDGET, BUT FOR THE NEXT BUDGET, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA, I, I WANNA SEE HOW WE SPENT THIS $1 MILLION.
YOU SEE, BECAUSE JUST 'CAUSE YOU WENT OVER THAT DOESN'T MEAN NOTHING TO ME BECAUSE IF WE ALLOW YOU TO JUST USE IT, THEN YES, YOU GO OVER.
BUT IF WE HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE TO JUSTIFY, THEN THAT SAYS, SO THERE'S TWO SIDES TO EVERY SIDE.
AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEBATE IT AND STUFF, BUT I TELL YOU, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IF WE CAN'T CHANGE FOR THIS YEAR, THEN I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO MY DUE DILIGENCE WHILE I'M ON COUNCIL.
I'M, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP, I'M GONNA SEE WHY WE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY.
I JUST, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO START MANAGING AND NOT SPEND IT.
BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.
FOR CHIEF, I THINK WE HAVE, I SEE TWO MORE LIGHTS.
IS THIS FOR THE CHIEF? NO, NO.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S CONCERNING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
YES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE CHIEF.
WELL, CAN COUNCILOR MCKEN LAW, I'M, I'M GOING TO A DIFFERENT AREA IF HE WANTS TO ADDRESS, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD, AHEAD FIVE, YEAH.
YOU WHAT? I'M CON SEE THE MANAGER I NEED TO MEET WITH, UH, FLO SALE.
YOU, WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS A, IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ON PRINCE HALL, 13TH STREET AND 14TH STREET.
WE NEED TO CREATE TWO CULVER SACS.
AND WE GOTTA FIND BUDGET FOR IT.
BUT THE CULVER SACS WILL BE CUTTING INTO THE OLD HOUSING AUTHORITY PROPERTIES.
DO WE OWN THAT EASEMENT? COUNCILOR LEWIS? I THOUGHT THIS WAS ON FIRE.
YOU SAID FIRE DEPARTMENT? IT IS FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE FIRE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TRUCKS HAS TO, HAS TO BE ABLE TO TURN.
IF, IF, UH, COHORTS WOULD YOU GO TO 2 59? AND I WANT TO GO TO, UH, PUBLIC WORKS.
OH YEAH, WELL KEEP YOU HONEST.
NOW CITY MA, YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR, UH, YOU WANT YOUR DIRECTOR TO COME UP OR YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OR GO AHEAD.
DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC, UH, SERVICE, CITY ENGINEER.
SO AT THIS TIME, ARE WE SUGGESTING WE DON'T HAVE ONE? OH YEAH.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST LOOKING AT ONE.
SO YOU HAVE ONE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE HIRING FOR? YEAH.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
GO TO, UH, TWO 60 CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR.
YOU HAD TWO LAST YEAR, YOU WERE ASKING FOR THREE.
SO ADDITIONAL ONE, UH, CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.
I'VE ASKED FOR THIS FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT MECHANICS, SMALL ENGINE OR LARGE ENGINES, OR HEAVY EQUIPMENT MECHANICS.
HOW ARE WE GONNA COMBAT FIXING THESE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE THAT'S ALWAYS SEEM TO BE BROKEN FOR WHATEVER REASONS, NOT HOLDING PARTS ON HAND, BUT WE ASK FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF INDIVIDUAL.
I I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND CITY
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MAYOR, I'M WANTING TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT TO SPEND MONEY OUTSOURCING VEHICLES OR TO HAVE 'EM PILED UP AT THE SERVICE CENTER BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE FIXED IN A TIMELY MANNER.BUT THEN I'M LOOKING AT WHAT THE DEPARTMENT IS ASKING FOR.
YOU ASKING FOR A PART WORKER, SERVICE WORKER, YOU HAD ONE LAST BUDGET YEAR, YOU'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT SMALL ENGINE MECHANICS, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANOTHER ONE.
AND WHEN I LOOK FOR, LOOK AT, UH, HEAVY EQUIPMENT MECHANIC, YOU HAD ONE LAST YEAR.
YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANOTHER, I MEAN, WHAT IS THE PLAN THAT WE GONNA ADDRESS VEHICLES THAT ARE BROKEN, THAT WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO HIRE OR TO GET TAKEN CARE OF? I SUGGEST THAT WE RUN A 24 HOUR MECHANIC SHOP WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE IN AND OUT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET QUICK FIX ON VEHICLES.
WHY DON'T WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND GET A DIFFERENT OUTCOME? UH, I'M NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT TRAFFIC SUPERVISOR ONE SIGNAL.
UH, I MEAN, SIGNING SIGNAL TECH, YOU, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY IN, UH, 24, BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR FIVE STORM WATER PUMP STATION, TECH ONE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ONE LAST YEAR, YOU ASKING FOR ONE.
BUT WHERE'S THE CRITICAL NEED? IS IT GETTING VEHICLES, KEEPING THEM ON THE ROAD WHERE THEY CAN PICK UP THE TRASH AND, AND GARBAGE? I I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU.
I WANT TO WORK WITH STAFF, BUT THE CRITICAL THING, WE HAVE TRASH THAT HADN'T BEEN PICKED UP IN WEEKS.
I MEAN, I JUST UN CANDID TO ME WHY WE GOT TRUCKS.
I DON'T THINK NOBODY ON THIS COUNCIL IS STOPPING YOU FOR ORDER TRUCKS.
BUT THEN WE ARE HERE ON THE NEXT VOTE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO DRIVE THE TRUCKS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MECHANICS TO EVEN FIX 'EM BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR MORE MECHANICS.
SO CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER THAT QUESTION? THOSE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR ME? UH, WE, WE, WITH YOU, WE DO HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO DRIVE THE TRUCKS BECAUSE COUNCILMAN, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE APPROVED 19 POSITIONS IN THE BUDGET.
NO, NO, NOT NOT DRIVE THE TRUCKS.
FIX THE TRUCKS TO FIX THE TRUCKS.
IF WE GO OUT THERE AND I'VE GIVEN YOU THE EMAIL AND I BOUGHT YOU OUT THERE, UH, WE GOT TRUCKS THAT'S STATIONED OUT THERE AND, AND WE'RE WAITING ON PARTS THAT WE SUGGEST THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, THAT WE CAN KEEP ON HAND BECAUSE THEY BREAK FREQUENTLY.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE INVESTED SOME $6 MILLION INTO NEW EQUIPMENT.
WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT MANY VEHICLES TO BE BREAKING DOWN THAT OFTEN.
ALSO, WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE NEW EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE PURCHASED, WE HAVE ENSURED THAT WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE BUILT IN THERE, AND WE DID SHARE THAT WITH COUNCIL, THAT, UM, WE HAVE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS WITH THOSE COMPANIES.
ME, I THINK IS ONE OF THOSE COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE BOUGHT MOST OF THE EQUIPMENT FROM.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN THERE IS A NEED WHICH ARISES FOR THE, UH, REPAIR OF THOSE EQUIPMENTS, WE DO HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THOSE COMPANIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, UM, PIECES OF EQUIPMENT ARE BEING REPAIRED.
WHAT WE HAVE ALSO DONE AS WELL IS WE HAVE EXPANDED THE NUMBER OF TENDERS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE, UM, THE, THE, THE SERVICING OF OUR, OF OUR EQUIPMENT.
SO, UM, WE ARE NOT ONLY ADDRESSING IT FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT, BUT WE ARE ADDRESSING IT AS WELL FROM A SERVICE DELIVERY STANDPOINT WHERE WE MAKE SURE THAT THE EQUIPMENT COMES IN, WE ARE ABLE TO SEND IT OUT, OR WE ARE ABLE TO CALL IN THE VENDORS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE EQUIPMENT IS UP AND RUNNING.
WELL, THANK YOU MANISH, FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
BUT YOU WOULD, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE WITH ME WHEN I TALK ABOUT COST EFFECTIVE, IF WE CAN DO A LOT OF THE WORK IN-HOUSE, IT BENEFITS THE CITY.
I MEAN, I'M NOT LOOKING TO OUTSOURCE EVERYTHING THAT WE COME ACROSS.
THAT'S JUST NOT MY, THAT'S NOT ME.
I'M SAYING THAT IF WE HAVE THE MEANS AND OPPORTUNITY TO FIX THOSE, UH, SMALL WHEEL VEHICLES, HEAVY WHEEL VEHICLES IN HOUSE, RUN A A MECHANIC SHOP 24 HOURS A DAY, YOU HAVE GIVE YOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE WORKING FOR 6:00 PM TO SIX A THE OPPORTUNITY NOT TO BE INTERRUPTED BY, YOU KNOW, THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS AND TO GET THINGS DONE, TO GET VEHICLES BACK ON THE ROAD.
THAT'S THE WAY THAT YOU, YOU KEEP CITIZENS OFF THE COUNCILS BACK, THEY KID, THEY GET OFF YOUR BACK, BUT JUST OUTSOURCE 'EM.
THEY SEND OUT AND THEY TELL US THREE WEEKS BEFORE WE CAN GET 'EM BACK.
I MEAN, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE HAVE THE MEANS AND AND RESOURCES TO DO IT, BUT IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING QUICK, HAVE PARTS ON HAND, GET IT BACK ON THE ROAD WITHOUT INTERRUPTION FROM THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION, I THINK THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE PEOPLE.
THAT'LL KEEP 'EM OFF THE COUNCIL'S BACK, THAT'LL KEEP 'EM OFF YOUR BACK AND WE CAN GET A LOT MORE DONE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
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I CAN, I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS IF YOU LIKE.WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING AND WE ARE IMPLEMENTING EVERY POSSIBLE BEST PRACTICE THAT WE CAN IN TERMS OF MINIMIZING THE COST AND PROVIDING THE SERVICES THAT WE NEED.
SO AS WE, AS, AS WE COME UPON IT, WE'LL, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT IT AND WE IMPLEMENT IT WELL.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE AS POSSIBLE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE DO THOSE.
HAVE, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED A 24 HOUR, UH, WORKSHOP MAINTENANCE SHOP? I'VE SUGGESTED THREE YEARS AGO.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU YOU OPEN MINDED TO IT, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE NEVER DO IT.
BUT THERE IS THE, NOT ONLY, REMEMBER THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND WE'VE GOT TO SPREAD IT AMONG ALL DEPARTMENTS IN TERMS OF PRIORITIES, YOU KNOW, OR ARENA SO OFTEN REMINDS ME ABOUT THAT.
AND SO WHAT WE LOOK AT, WE LOOK AT THE BEST POSSIBLE WAYS THAT WE COULD ENGAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND OF THAT DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
UM, WE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT, BUT IT MEANS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADD CERTAIN MORE POSITIONS TO THE BUDGET IN ORDER TO GET THAT DONE.
AND THERE'S, THEY REMEMBER OUR RESOURCES ARE NOT FINITE.
THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN, IN TERMS OF DISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT IS BEING ADDRESSED.
THE, THE EQUIPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS, IS, IS NOT AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
IT'S BEEN FUNDED FROM THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL.
SO WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE SPREAD IT EVENLY AS WELL AS WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UTILIZE THE BEST POSSIBLE METHODOLOGIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE BREAKDOWNS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE.
AND AS I, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, THE NEW EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE PURCHASED, WE MADE SURE THAT THEY CAME WITH SERVICE AGREEMENTS.
SO AT LEAST THE BURDEN ON THE DEPARTMENT IS LESSENED AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED.
AND THE EQUIPMENT IS TURNED AROUND IN A VERY REASONABLE MANNER OR TIME FRAME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT BACK ON THE STREETS.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER DOUCETTE, CITY MANAGER IN THESE, MANAGER IN THESE AGREEMENTS, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.
ARE THEY, THEY TRAVELING HERE? ARE WE TRANSFERRING ANY EQUIPMENT? BOTH.
SO WHAT'S, LAST TIME I LOOKED AT IT, THERE WAS A LOT OF COSTS IN TRANSFER EQUIPMENT FROM HERE TO HOUSTON OR WHEREVER.
UH, THE BOW MOUNT, IT'S A LOT OF EXPENSES THERE.
AND THEN IF YOU, IF YOU'VE GOT AN OPERATOR DRIVING IT TO, TO HOUSTON, YOU GOTTA COVER THE HOTEL, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE EXPENSES.
SO ALL THESE IN THESE SERVICE AGREEMENTS, ARE YOU, CAN THEY COME HERE AS OPPOSED TO US TRANSPORTING THE EQUIPMENT, PICKING UP DOUBLE EXPENSE? THEY, THEY, THEY CAN COME HERE.
OH, YOU'RE SAYING THEY CAN COME HERE, BUT ARE YOU DOING THAT NOW? ARE YOU GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO CONSIDER THAT? THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO HEAR.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT WHERE THEY, THEY DO COME HERE.
THEY DO COME HERE TO SERVICE THE VEHICLES.
THEY, THEY DO COME TO THE CITY WHEN WE CALL 'EM, WHEN WE MAKE THE REQUEST, WE, WE WILL SCHEDULE, UM, SOMEBODY TO COME HERE AND FIX CYLINDERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO YES, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE COME HERE, BUT OF COURSE THAT COMES WITH AN EXPENSE ITSELF WITHIN THEIR TRAVEL TIME.
WE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO GET PEOPLE HERE TO DISTANCE THEM OUTSIDE WHEN EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
UM, THIS IS A MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE WORK TO, TO KEEP THESE VEHICLES UP AND RUNNING FOR THE CITY.
WE DO, WE DO MAKE BELIEVE A YES.
I DON'T, I THINK WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING, THE COST, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMPTROLLER NEED TO LOOK AT.
I WOULD THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD, HE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THAT COST OR WHICH IS THE BEST FEASIBLE WAY TO DO IT.
OKAY, THIS, I AM A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES.
OKAY? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MECHANICS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPERATIONS AND COUNCIL MCKEN LAW TALK ABOUT THIS 24 HOURS.
THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S BEEN IN THE MILITARY
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AND ANYBODY BEEN IN THE MILITARY KNOW IF YOU WANT TO BUY SOME EQUIPMENT AND GO BUY SOMETHING IN THE ARMY'S GETTING RID OF 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE IN TOPNOTCH CONDITION.OKAY? BECAUSE EVERY MONDAY YOU'RE GONNA DO MAINTENANCE.
THE KEY, THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS IS THE DRIVER.
YOU TALKING ABOUT BUYING NEW VEHICLES, YOU THINK IF WE BUY A NEW VEHICLE THAT GONNA STOP US? IF THE, IF THE DRIVER'S DRIVING IT WITH NO WATER OR IF THE DRIVER HAS A LEAK AND DON'T REPORT IT, YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO NO, IT'S GONNA BREAK.
WE NEED A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WHEREBY EACH DRIVER, BEFORE THEY GET INTO THAT VEHICLE, THEY CHECK THE BASIC THING, WATER, OIL, DURING OPERATION, MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF THIS STUFF IS WHEN THEY COME IN IN THE EVENING, CLEAN THE VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, DON'T LET RATS AND STUFF TAP THE ELECTRICAL STUFF BECAUSE YOU LEAVING UP THERE WITH TRASH, TAKE IT AND EMPTY IT, CLEAN IT OFF.
THE FIRST LEVEL IS THAT DRIVER, THE DRIVER.
YOU TALKING ABOUT NEW VEHICLES? I DON'T CARE.
I, I DONE SEEN US BUY NEW VEHICLES AND THEY BE TWO WEEKS ON THE ROAD AND THEY BE PARKED AT THE MAINTENANCE THING.
OKAY? SO WE NEED A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
AND WHEN WE DO A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, THEN YOU'RE GONNA INCORPORATE ALL THESE THINGS WE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RESPONSIBILITY OF DRIVERS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MECHANICS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, A PART INVENTORY OF PARTS THAT THEY, AND WHO'S GOING TO ISSUE THESE POINTS, THESE PARTS, UH, CONTROLLING THE PARTS ARE DRAWN.
THAT'S HOW YOU STAY ON TOP OF IT, NOT BUYING VEHICLES.
WE NEED A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS, SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE JOBS OR SERVICES IS COMPLETED ON A THURSDAY.
SO THAT MEANS ON A FRIDAY WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
SOMETHING FIND OUT WHAT'S NEEDED.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU MEAN I THOUGHT Y'ALL WAS DOING THAT AT ONE TIME.
AND AS, UM, COUNCILMAN DO SAID, INDICATED, PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY, MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT IS EVERY MORNING AND EVERY EVENING WHEN YOU RETURN WITH YOUR VEHICLE, YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE VEHICLE IS CLEANED.
YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU CHECK YOUR OIL AND YOUR, UM, HYDRAULICS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE FOR THE NEXT MORNING.
SO THE MAINTENANCE IS CRITICAL.
I MEAN, IN THE PAST WE HAVE HAD INSTANCES,
YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S NO WAY IF YOU ARE DOING THAT ON A DAILY BASIS, THAT THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN.
SO IT'S CRITICAL AND ESSENTIAL THAT WE CONTINUE THOSE BEST PRACTICES IN TERMS OF ATTENDING TO THE VEHICLE ON A DAILY BASIS.
BUT NOT ONLY THAT, EVERY THURSDAY THE SUPERINTENDENT AND HIS ASSISTANT MAKES SURE THAT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE GARBAGE ROUTE IS NOT RUNNING.
IT ENDS ON THURSDAY, ON FRIDAY.
YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE ATTEND TO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE VEHICLE, THE VEHICLES THAT YOU HAVE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR PARTS OR WAITING FOR SERVICE.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE RATS? RATS GET GETTING IN THE, GETTING IN THE EQUIPMENT, EATING THE WIRES UP.
WELL, YOU GOT VEHICLES SITTING OUT THERE WAITING FOR PARTS OR WHATEVER, BUT, AND THE RATS ARE CONSTANTLY TEARING UP THE WIRING.
THEY LIKE TO CHEW ON IT, LIKE THE COUNSELOR, LIKE TO CHEW ON THE STAFF.
WE HAVE, UM, THIS IS, I I DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE LIGHTS FOR THIS SESSION.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER JU SAID, ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE DONE? I SAFE PUT YOUR NOTEBOOK UP.
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TO, UH, CLOSE OUT OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP AND WE DO NOT HAVE TO, UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE GONNA HOLD THE CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, TO, UH, I'M SORRY, THIS ONE HAVE THEIR HAND UP.UM, YEAH, IT'S A BUDGET HEARING.
YOU CAN'T, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND UP ON, NORMALLY THERE'S A LITTLE ICON THAT YOU RAISED YOUR HAND UP ON, BUT YES MA'AM.
YOU CAN YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'M NOT GONNA DO WITH THE QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT WANNA HOLD IN TOO LONG.
I JUST FOLLOW UP THE MOST WHITE QUESTION THAT I REALLY WANT TO SEE SOMEONE CAN ANSWER.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? COURSE IN PATIENT WITH NINE, I SEE 45,000, UM, FOR ALLOWANCES THAT IT WASN'T THERE LAST YEAR.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, WHAT THESE ALLOWANCES ARE? MAYOR BUDGET, YOU SAID PAGE 29? YES.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR HER OKAY? YES MA'AM.
AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION? YES, I DO.
IN THE PAST, YOUR ALLOWANCES WERE INCLUDED AS SALARY, AND I'VE SEPARATED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SALARY AND THE, THE ALLOWANCES FOR EITHER CELL PHONE OR TRAVEL OR AUTO.
THAT'S ACTUALLY ALLOWED, THAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE CATEGORIZED CORRECTLY IN THE ALLOWANCES LINE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, YOU SHOULD SEE THE DECREASE FROM THE REGULAR SALARIES, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT INCREASE IN THE ALLOWANCES PORTION WHERE I'VE GONE AHEAD AND SPLIT THAT SO THAT IT IS CATEGORIZED CORRECTLY.
YOU, YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER, MS. SANCHEZ? YES.
AND PAGE ONE, PAGE ONE ON THE A HUNDRED FOR THE WINTER EVENTS ARE THE MONEY THAT WE PAID FOR WHEN THE CHRISTMAS STORY, IS IT PAGE ONE? AND HER QUESTION IS AND THE 31.
AND SHE SAID THAT WHAT? HER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS TREE HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR EVENTS, WINTER EVENTS.
OKAY, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? OKAY, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO THE ONE ONE MORE TIME.
WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? I'M, UH, IT IS A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE LINE WINTER EVENTS, LIGHTS AND WINTER EVENTS.
WHAT IS THIS? 1,004 FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREE.
I THINK IT'S CHRISTMAS EXPENSES.
IT'S, IT'S ONE OF SEVERAL EXPENSES THAT GOES WITH THE HOLIDAY EVENTS FOR HOLIDAY AND IT, IT TAKES THAT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NICE FOR THE CITY.
I MEAN YEAH, WE, WE GOT IT IS EXPENSIVE, BUT ANYWAY, COUNCIL MEMBER UC HAS HIS LIGHT ON, BUT I, I MEAN IIII, I'VE BEEN HERE THE WHOLE ENTIRE TIME.
WE STARTED WITH $25,000 WITH HARVEY ROBINSON AND IT LOOKED LIKE, IT LOOKED LIKE A CITY OUTTA SKITS VILLE SOMEWHERE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, IT WAS HORRIBLE.
AND SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR CITY.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO LOOK LIKE WE, UM, LIKE WE, WE, WE REPRESENT THE BIGGEST ALL REFINERY,
WE WANNA LOOK ELEGANT AND AS, AS, AS CHRISTMASY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, WE OUGHT TO REFLECT WHAT WE ARE.
AND SO I THINK WE OUGHT ADD SOME MORE MONEY.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY OPINION.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND, AND THE QUESTION GOES BACK TO, UH, THIS BUDGET AND HOW WE DO A BUDGET AND BY ORDINANCE AND BY LAWS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE KIND, WE GET QUESTIONS LIKE THIS FROM CITIZENS WHO HAVE SOME IDEA.
IF WE SAY WE GONNA SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR WINTER EVENTS, I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER IN THIS MEETING AND WHAT I SAY, EVERY MEETING, DON'T TELL ME EVENTS.
IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT 25,000 FOR A CHRISTMAS PARADE, 25,000 CHRISTMAS PARADE,
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30,000 FOR THIS, THIS, THOSE ARE EVENTS OR THEY ARE PROJECTS, WHICH ONE IT, WHICHEVER IT IS, THAT'S WHAT YOU LIST.BUT WHEN YOU SAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR WINTER, AND THAT AIN'T SAYING I, I AGREE THAT'S NOT DOING THAT.
LET'S JUST SO DEVELOP A BUDGET.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK HERE, IF IT IS GOING, IF WE GOING TO PUT IT ON AND IT COST $50,000, WHETHER PEOPLE AGREE OR NOT, AT LEAST WE TELLING THEM THIS IS WHAT WE DOING WITH THE $50,000.
I KEEP SAYING ALL OF THIS BUS THING, LET'S GET SPECIFIC THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID IT BUDGET SUPPOSED TO DO.
THEY SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT WE SPENDING IT ON JUST AS WELL AS WE OKAY.
MADU SAID, I THINK THAT CHRISTIE, UH, OUR NEW CITY ASSISTANT, CITY SECRETARY INTERIM HAS, UM, AND ALONG WITH SOME OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND SHOULD HAVE AN OUTLINE BUDGET AND TO DEVELOP WITH THAT NUMBER TO GO WITH THAT NUMBER AND WHAT WE SPENT IT ON, LIGHTS, LIGHTING, CHRISTMAS TREE LABOR, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UH, IT SHOULD BE SUBSTANTIATE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND ONCE YOU GET THAT, WE SEE HOW EXPENSIVE THINGS ARE.
WE'LL SEE THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY A MINIMAL NUMBER.
BUT, UM, IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING TO SUPPORT THAT, UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE NUMBERS TO SUBSTANTIATE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT THAT, UH, IS SOMETHING COUNCIL CAN EASILY, UH, YOU, UH, STAFF CAN EASILY, UH, GIVE TO COUNCIL.
AND MAY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, AS IT RELATES TO THE CHRISTMAS EVENTS, UM, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS ARE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL IN FORM OF RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL, EVEN WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THE CHRISTMAS TREE, THAT IS SOMETHING COUNCIL VOTED ON AND APPROVED IT.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY DOCUMENTATION THAT SUBSTANTIATE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE FEE.
COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS, JUST ONE QUESTION.
YOU GONNA COME BACK TO COUNCILOR TO GET APPROVAL ON WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING? MM-HMM
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AS LONG AS YOU DON'T PUT ANY MORE MUGSHOTS DOWNTOWN.
WE READY MAYOR? OKAY, I'LL DO ONE TIME THING.
YOU TRYING TO PREVENT MY PICTURE FROM BEING ON THE WALL? DANG.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT? YOU SAY, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS, EVEN THOUGH I FEEL LIKE I CREATED THAT WE SHOULD TAKE HER FIRST, BUT ONE YEAR WE SPENT 95,000 ON RENTING A CHRISTMAS TREE.
IF WE ARE GONNA KEEP DOING IT, MAYBE A CHEAPER BUY ONE.
I THINK ALWAYS ON OUR STORAGE AREA AND BE USE IT EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
THE KIDS RENTED AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS AND A CHRISTMAS TREE.
I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION MADE.
OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. UH, SANCHEZ.
I THINK THE, UH, CLARIFICATION CAN COME FROM, I'M SORRY.
STAFF WANTS TO ANSWER THAT ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS TREE FOR $95,000.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'VE NEVER RENTED A CHRISTMAS TREE.
WE HAVE PROCURED SERVICES FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE TREE DUE TO THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT IT TAKES TO ACTUALLY INSTALL IT.
THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR OWNS ITS OWN CHRISTMAS TREE.
WE DID PAY ADDITIONAL MONIES TO ADD PANELS TO BRING THAT TREE FROM 17 FEET TO 30 FEET.
SO THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE CHRISTMAS TREE.
WE PAY FOR THE SERVICES THAT ACTUALLY DECORATE THAT TREE, AND AGAIN, THE CRANE, BECAUSE NOW IT'S A 30 FOOT TREE TO ACTUALLY INSTALL IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ANCHORED AND THAT IT'S SAFE FOR THE CHILDREN, UM, WHO COME AROUND THAT TREE.
SO, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT FOR THE RENTAL OF THE TREE, UM, BUT IT WAS FOR THE ADDITIONAL PANELS, IT WAS FOR, IF YOU REMEMBER, OUR OLD TREE DID NOT HAVE BULBS AND LIGHTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT WAS TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES TO THAT TREE.
AND WE ALSO DID A HOLIDAY DOWNTOWN CELEBRATION, UM, WHERE WE BROUGHT IN VENDORS AND EVEN SERVED COCO AND COOKIES AND SUCH, UM, AND HAD SNOW FALLING, UM, UNDER THE PORTICO FOR THE CITIZENS OF PORT ARTHUR.
SO THOSE COSTS WERE ALL INCLUDED IN THAT 95,000.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLARIFIED FOR THE CITY OF CITIZENS OF PORT ARTHUR.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, I MEAN, I'M SORRY.
UH, MS. SANCHEZ, YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION? YES.
ABOUT THE 18 MILLION CERTIFICATE OF RELATION.
I WANNA KNOW EXACTLY HOW THIS WAS ALLOCATED TO WHO DEPARTMENT STARTED ALL THIS MONEY BECAUSE WHEN YOU APPROVE IT, THEY DIDN'T GIVE YOU THAT, THE INFORMATION.
THEY SAID THEY GONNA DO IT ON THE BUDGET, THE ALLOCATION OF THE $18 MILLION ON BOND MONEY.
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OKAY, SO, UH, PAM, PAM, THERE'S A REVISED LIST FOR THE FUNDING ALLOCATION.PAM, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT MIC CLOSER TO YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER? UHHUH
UM, SOME OF THE FUNDING WOULD GO UNDER DISTRIBUTION CRITERIA NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCTION OR RECONSTRUCTION OF CITY STREETS, SIDEWALKS AND OTHER STREET AND SIDEWALK RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, DISTRIBUTION CRITERIA NUMBER THREE, THE RENOVATION AND EQUIPMENT OF EQUIPPING OF CITY ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS AND DISTRIBUTION CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE BUILDING, RENOVATION AND EQUIPPING OF CITY PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES AND ITEMS RELATED THERE TOO.
SO THERE IS A BREAKDOWN, UM, THAT WE, IT'S A WORKING DOCUMENT THAT AS UM, PROJECTS ARE BEING IDENTIFIED, WE'RE GOING IN AND MAKING REVISIONS TO THIS DOCUMENT.
THE LAST REVISION WAS MADE THIS MORNING RIGHT BEFORE THIS, UM, BUDGET SESSION.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY MANAGER SO HE CAN PRESENT IT TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL.
ALRIGHT, IS YOU DON'T THE FINAL NUMBERS, YOU STILL DON'T HAVE IT.
THE FINAL NUMBER IS A TOTAL OF 18 MILLION.
WE DO HAVE A BREAKDOWN FOR THESE DEPARTMENT.
THE ALLOCATIONS AREN'T BROKEN DOWN BY DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN BY A PROJECT AND THEY WILL BE PRESENTED.
ALRIGHT, UM, MS. SANCHEZ, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, ON PAGE 15, PAGE ONE 15, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I KNOW WE'RE ALL, UH, PREPARING TO DISMISS IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE ONE MORE WORKSHOP ON THURSDAY AT 10 30 AND, UM, NEXT, AND OUR NEXT THING WOULD BE TO VOTE ON THE AGENDA.
I MEAN THE, UH, UH, AND SEPTEMBER 23RD, AM I CORRECT? OKAY, THAT'S, NO, THIS IS IT.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL OF CERTIFICATE OBLIGATIONS, THE TOTAL MASKS THAT WE OWN TOTAL BALANCE THAT WE OWE
WE'RE ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN.
IT SAYS BALANCE OUTSTANDING, WHICH IS WHAT IS OWED.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND AND YOUR CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION.
IN BETWEEN THE TWO OF THOSE, IT IS $147,865,001.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT IN THE VERSION THAT YOU'VE GOT? YOU SHOULD SEE THAT ON THAT PAGE.
THE FAR RIGHT IT WHERE IT SAYS BALANCE OUTSTANDING.
WELL, BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSED THAT I HAVE DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
AND EVEN THOUGH ON THE GRAPHIC THAT YOU HAVE ON NEXT PAGE ONE 16, YOU HAVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR 147 MILLIONS.
THEN 152 MILLIONS ON CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION, YOU A 7000000.2 ON GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND THEN CAPITAL LEASE OBLIGATIONS YOU HAVE 6.1.
THE TOTAL OR THIS GRAPHIC IS 165 MILLION.
NO, 147 SOMETHING THAT IS ON IT FOR
I WAS ASKING TO SEE, YOU CAN GIVE ME A BETTER NUMBER.
YOU ADD THESE THREE NUMBERS IS 165.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE ACTUAL, IT LOOKS LIKE I JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE ACTUAL, ON THE, ON THE PORTION WHERE IT SAYS THE GENERAL OBLIGATION, THE TOTAL IS STILL CORRECT AT THE 147 MILLION.
AND I WILL MAKE THAT CORRECTION FOR THE FINAL VERSION.
I SEE WHAT YOU'RE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE, I THINK 152 MILLION ON IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
ONE MORE AND I'M GONNA LET YOU GO.
I PROMISE I GONNA WAIT ON THE NEXT WEEK.
AND ITS A HUNDRED THREE NINE ONE SEVENTY NINE, PAGE 1 39.
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WATER AND SEW FONT.I SEE 16 MILLIONS FOR WATER SERVICE AND THEN ANOTHER 11 MILLION FOR WATER SERVICE INDUSTRIAL.
BUT ON THE TWO, I JUST SEE $15 MILLION ON IT.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE CHARGED SEWER AND WATER THE SAME NUMBERS.
YOU UNDER THE IMPRESSION Y Y'ALL UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION.
DID Y'ALL NEED CLARIFICATION OR WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED? INDUSTRIES THAT DON'T.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION? OKAY.
CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION ONCE MORE? MS. SANCHEZ, WHY IS IT DIFFERENT? WHY DO WE CHARGE MORE FOR WATER AND LESS FOR SEWER SERVICE? WHY DO WE CHARGE LESS FOR WATER THAN SEWER SERVICE? WE HAVE INDUSTRIES AND STUFF THAT USE WATER, BUT THEY DO NOT USE SEWER.
LIKE CHENE BUYS $7 MILLION WORTH OF WATER, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SEWER SERVICE.
THEY BUY THE WATER IN TEXAS, USE IT IN LOUISIANA.
AND WE PROVIDE NO SEWER SERVICE.
THERE'S OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT ARE THE SAME.
THEY DON'T, THERE'S NO SEWER, BUT THERE'S WATER.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
UH, DID YOU, YOU HEARD HIS HIS ANSWER EXPLANATION? YES.
I, WHAT I'M GONNA VERIFY IF WE SELL ONE, WE WITHOUT ACTUALLY, UM, THE SERVICE FOR THE
MAYBE IT CAN BE THE DIFFERENCE.
ANOTHER THING, MAYBE YOU SHOULD ALLOW SOME MONEY TO FIX THE, UM, THE SYSTEM ON THE ZOOM IS TERRIBLE.
I CAN JUST THAT SOMEONE TO COMMENT AND HAVE THE ANSWER.
THAT'S, THAT'S PART IT'S OF OBLIGATION THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE AS WELL TO FIX THE SYSTEM TO, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF OUR REQUESTS.
AT THIS TIME, UM, DO I NEED TO, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
DO I NEED TO VOTE ON NOT GOING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? OKAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER BECKHAM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, FOREGO TODAY'S SCHEDULED EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL BE MOVED TO ANOTHER MEETING AT THIS TIME.
I'M GONNA GET A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
I GOT A, I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THE AYES HAVE IT ADJOURNED IS AT 1213.