* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] RECORDING IN PROGRESS. [I. INVOCATION, PLEDGE & ROLL CALL] GOOD. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. WE ARE HERE FOR OUR SPECIAL MEETING TODAY ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 11TH, 2025 AT 10:30 AM. UM, WE GIVE, UM, RESPECT AND HONOR TO, UM, THOSE THAT LOST THEIR LIVES IN NEW YORK ON THIS MORNING. WE ARE ASKED THAT AS COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK LEAD US IN PRAYER, AND WE GET TO THAT, THAT WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE IT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE WILL. YOU CAN JOIN US IN OUR MEETING THIS MORNING BY VIDEO CONFERENCE AND OR BY TELE TELEPHONIC. YOU MAY DO SO BY DIALING 8 7 7 8 5 3 5 2 4 7 OR 8 8 8 7 8 8 0 0 9 9. YOU CAN, UH, PUT IN THE MEETING ID OF 8 4 1 8 3 7 0 1 6 1 3, AND A PASSCODE OF 7 9 2 3 0 8. WE'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT, AND YOU CAN JOIN OUR MEETING. UH, AGAIN, WE MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR YOU, BUT YOU HAVE TO CALL US 24, UH, I HOURS IN ADVANCE, AND YOU DIAL THE NUMBER 4 0 9 9 8 3 8 1 1 5 TO OUR CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE MUTE YOUR TELE, YOUR, UH, MOBILE DEVICES, AND WE WILL ASK COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK TO LEAD US IN PRAYER. WE'LL HAVE OUR PLEDGE AND WE'LL HAVE OUR ROLL CALL. BOW, LET US BOW ALWAYS IN ETERNAL GOD, AS WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING, GOD, WE ARE ALWAYS THANKFUL FOR THE BLESSINGS OF LIFE. WE THANK YOU, FATHER, THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY, HEAVENLY FATHER, WHERE WE CAN PUT FORTH A FORM OF GOVERNMENT, HEAVENLY FATHER THAT BLESSES THE LIVES OF PEOPLE. WE REMEMBER NINE 11 HEAVENLY FATHER AND ALL THAT HAPPENED AND TRANSPIRED ON THAT FATEFUL DAY, UH, WHEN LIVES WERE TAKEN ON TODAY. AND WE ASK THAT, GOD, YOU WOULD TOUCH THOSE FAMILIES WHO ARE STILL STINGING FROM THE GRIEF BROUGHT ABOUT BY THAT LOSS. AND THEN FATHER, EVEN WHILE WE'RE PRAYING THIS MORNING, WE PRAY FOR THE KIRK FAMILY. LORD, SUCH A TRAGIC, UH, UM, UM, MURDER ON YESTERDAY. GOD, HIS LIFE BEING TAKEN AS HE LEAVES BEHIND A WIFE AND TWO SMALL CHILDREN TOUCHED THEIR FAMILY NOW GOD, AND TOUCHED THE LIVES OF ALL THOSE WHOSE LIFE HE TOUCHED AS WELL. AND THEN FATHER, FOR THIS MEETING ON TODAY, GIVE US YOUR WISDOM, YOUR GUIDANCE, YOUR PEACE, AND YOUR MERCY. WE ASK IT ALL IN THE POWERFUL AND PRECIOUS NAME OF JESUS WE PRAY, AMEN OF ALLEGIANCE, JU FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. CITY. SECRETARY, WOULD YOU ESTABLISH A QUORUM FOR ME, PLEASE? MAYOR MOSES. HERE, MAYOR PRO TIMM ETT. HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. COUNCIL MEMBER HAMILTON, EVER FIELD I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER BECKHAM. COUNCIL MEMBER KINLAW HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK HERE. YOU HAVE A CO MAYOR. [III. *CLOSED MEETING (EXECUTIVE SESSION) ] THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, WE'RE POSTED FOR NUMBER TWO, A WORKSHOP, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TIME AND TO ALLOW OUR PRESENTER, AND WE'RE GONNA GO INTO A CLOSED MEETING, EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND, UM, ALLOW THE PRESENTER THERE TO CATCH HIS FLIGHT, TO GET BACK TO WHERE HE NEEDS TO BE. SO AT THIS TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL GO INTO CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS OF CHAPTER 5 51, TEXAS GOVERNMENT, CODE NUMBER ONE, SECTION 5 5 107 1, LEGAL ADVICE AND LITIGATION, THE STATE OF TEXAS VERSUS CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, TEXAS. CAUSE NUMBER D ONE GN DASH 2 5 0 0 1 2 8 5 IN THE 2201ST DISTRICT COURT OF TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS. AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO OUR CLOSED SESSION, AND AT 10 34, WE ARE READY, PLEASE. JUST DOWNSTAIRS. NO. YOU READY FOR ME TO CALL ROME? YES. CITY SECRETARY, IF YOU WOULD ESTABLISH A QUORUM FOR US, PLEASE. MAYOR MOSES. HERE. MAYOR PROTE ETT. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HAMILTON, EVER FIELD, FREDERICK COUNCIL MEMBER BECKHAM. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINLAW. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK RESIDENT. YOU [00:05:01] HAVE A COURT MAYOR. [II. WORKSHOP] ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO BUSINESS COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM TWO, WHICH IS OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. AND WE WILL BEGIN RIGHT NOW. EVERYBODY. OKAY? STAFF . YOU GONNA HAVE THIS BY YOURSELF? LET'S GO. LET'S SEE WHAT YOU GOT. HUH? OH, YOU GONNA HANDLE THIS BY YOURSELF? LET'S GO, RON. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. I WOULDN'T DO THAT IF I WERE IN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT ONE. THAT'S THAT ELEVATOR. HOW MUCH PAIN, HOW MUCH YOU CAN STAND? . ALL RIGHTY. CITY STAFF. LET'S GO WITH THE HOUSING PROJECTS. UH, MANAGER. NO. SAID YOU CAN HANDLE IT. LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN REALLY HANDLE IT. OKAY. OH, THERE, YOU GOT YOUR BACKUP. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL. COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, ARE YOU GUYS GONNA, UM, THE ORDER OF THIS? ARE YOU PRESENTING FIRST AND OR YOU WANT COUNCIL MEMBER ASK QUESTIONS SO IT'S ALL IN THE QUESTIONS? OKAY. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE LIST, THE MASTER LIST THAT WE SENT OUT, DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT OR VARIOUS QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE ONLY VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM OUR COUNCIL STAFF. OKAY. YEAH. I'M GONNA ROLL ON PAGE . OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER ETT. OH, COUNCILMAN KEN LAW. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? OKAY. GIMME A QUICK, YEAH, THAT'S, OH, I'M READY. I'LL GO. I'LL GO. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER DOUCETTE, IF YOU'RE READY, YOU MAY, UH, GO MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE GOT THE, THE FIRST PAGE, 27. OKAY. AND, UH, UNDER CONTRACT CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, THAT'S ADMINISTRATION. OKAY. WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, WHY ARE WE PROPOSING 2,419,000 WHILE ARE WE PROPOSING THAT UNDER CONTRACTUAL SERVICE? GOOD MORNING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU'LL FIND THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES ARE ACTUALLY ON PAGE 31. THAT DETAILS SOME OF THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL ACTIVITIES. OF NOTE, THERE ARE TWO THINGS. WE DO HAVE AN ABATEMENT THAT'S COMING UP. THAT PAYMENT IS COMING UP THAT IS NEW. THAT'S FOR JIMMY JOHNSON. THAT IS FOR JIMMY JOHNSON. AND SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT OUTLINES AND DETAILS THE MAJORITY OF IT. AND THE REST WOULD BE ANY OTHER OF THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES THAT WOULD BE IN ON PAGE 30. BUT THE MAJORITY OF YOUR CONTRACTUAL SERVICES ARE ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE OUTLINED ON 31 PAGE 31 31, OKAY, WE GO TO 31. LET'S GO TO 31. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT CONTINGENCY. OKAY? YES SIR. WHY DO WE HAVE 77,000? WELL, $777,995 FOR CONTINGENCY. THE CONTINGENCIES ARE FOR ANYTHING THAT COULD BE UNEXPECTED. AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME CONTINGENCIES AND OTHER FUNDS AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOT A FUND THAT CAN HANDLE ANY OF THE CONTINGENCIES THAT MIGHT OCCUR. THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN ANY TIME DURING THE YEAR. THOSE KINDS OF EXAMPLES WOULD INCLUDE BECAUSE I, THIS, THIS BUDGET IS SET AND AS I HAD MENTIONED, I DON'T HAVE ANY WIGGLE ROOM. WHAT I HAVE SET FOR THAT IS THAT FOR THE EXAMPLES OF THE CONTINGENCIES WOULD INCLUDE IF YOU'VE GOT ANY NEW GRANTS AND YOU HAD A MATCHING, I NEED A PLACE TO PUT THE MATCHING GRANTS. AND I'M HOPING THAT IT'S NOT GONNA GO OVER 777,000 FOR ANY POTENTIALLY NEW GRANTS THAT MIGHT HAVE A MATCHING BECAUSE I WILL NOT HAVE ANY OTHER ROOM AT THAT TIME. LYNN, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT YOU SAID. YES, SIR. WE GONNA GET STRAIGHT BEFORE [00:10:01] WE PROCEED. 'CAUSE I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS. ONE IS THIS BUDGET AIN'T SET. THIS IS PROPOSED TO US. WE GOING SAY, WE GONNA SAY WE GONNA APPROVE IT. OKAY? YES SIR. THAT'S THE FIRST THING I WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND. YES SIR. THE SECOND THING IS CONTINGENCY. WHEN THIS BUDGET, THE WAY A BUDGET'S SUPPOSED TO BE A BUDGET IS BASED ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE UPCOMING YEAR. OKAY? AND ALSO BASED ON OUR PRIORITIES. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONTINGENCY, SEE MY PROBLEM WITH CONTINGENCY AND THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR THIS AMOUNT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST. PUTTING MONEY. WELL, IF THIS COME UP, IF THAT COME UP, WELL IF IT COME UP, WE SHOULD HAVE PLANNED FOR IT. THAT'S WHAT A BUDGET IS FOR. WE DON'T PUT MONEY IN A BUDGET THAT IF SOMETHING COME UP, WE GOT SOMETHING. AND I'VE SAID IT FOR YEARS, THAT WE WERE PUTTING MONEY IN A BUDGET, NOT BASED ON THINGS. SO TODAY, I WANNA MAKE THAT POINT. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF. PUT IN CASE WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE DO OPERATING AND MAINTAINING IN THIS CITY AND WE HAVE LINE ITEMS THAT COVER THESE THINGS. WE DO. AND IF IT'S NOT COVERED IN WHAT WE DO, OPERATING THE MAINTENANCE IN A LINE ITEM, WHAT WE COULD BASE WHAT WE DID THE TWO PREVIOUS YEARS TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WE SHOULD BE PUTTING IN HERE THIS YEAR, THEN THOSE ARE LOCATED IN SPECIAL FUNDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T FOLLOW WITHIN DEPARTMENTS OR LINE ITEMS. THEN WE GONNA ADDRESS THOSE THERE. BUT WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PUTTING MONEY IN CASE, OR WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PUTTING MISCELLANEOUS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PUT MONEY IN THIS BUDGET TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN AND DO OUR PROJECTS NEXT YEAR. THAT IS WHY WE AMEND OUR BUDGET. BUT SEE, WHEN WE START GETTING THESE THINGS THAT COMES UP, THE STATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 1 0 2 STATES, WE DON'T AMEND OUR BUDGET ONCE WE APPROVE IT. THAT'S HOW THE STATE SAY, THE STATE SAY, I DON'T TELL YOU HOW TO SPEND YOUR MONEY. I DON'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPEND, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU, ONCE YOU APPROVE YOUR MONEY, THAT'S HOW WE WANT YOU TO MANAGE THESE, THE CITIZENS TAX DOLLARS, THE WAY YOU ASK AND APPROVE IT. AND IF YOU DO CHANGE IT, THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS WHICH YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CHANGE YOUR BUDGET IN THAT CITY. SO, YOU KNOW, CONTINGENCY, IF YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT WE GOING TO DO, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. BECAUSE I REMEMBER, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL IN 2011, UH, AT ONE TIME WE USED TO DO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN CONTINGENCIES, YOU KNOW, AND I NOTICED IN 2023, THE ACTUAL WAS $53,989. IN 2023, WE ACTUALLY USED, IN 2020, 2324, WE ACTUALLY USED 39,841. THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS I'VE BEEN ACCUSTOMED SINCE FOR YEARS. BUT IN 2000, THIS CURRENT YEAR, THIS CURRENT YEAR, WE HAD TWO THOU, 245,000. AND THEN YOU ARE PREDICTING THAT WE ARE GOING TO END THE YEAR SPENDING ALL THE 245,000. OKAY? SO WHAT DID WE SPEND? 245,000. OKAY, SO WE NEED TO COUNT FOR THIS. SO WHAT DID WE SPEND THAT ON? BECAUSE NOT ONLY YES, YES. DO WE NOT KNOW WHY SO MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT OR HOW IT WAS SPENT? BUT YOU ASKING FOR THREE TIMES AS MUCH AND YOU STILL CAN'T TELL ME WHAT BEFORE WE APPROVE, BEFORE WE VOTE ON A BUDGET. I WOULD LIKE [00:15:02] THAT ANSWERED. OKAY. UH, LET ME JUST SHARE WITH, YEAH, I'M SORRY. UM, UH, CITY MANAGER, YES. LEMME JUST SHARE WITH COUNCIL THE RULE OF THUMB THAT WE USED FOR OUR CURRENT, THE CURRENT BUDGET AS THE FINANCIAL DIRECTOR INFORMED COUNCIL. THE CONTINGENCY THAT WAS PLACED IN THIS, OUR CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET WAS 3%. AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVED OUT THIS ONE. WE ARE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING LESS THAN A THOUSAND PERCENT OF 700 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND BUCKS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE FINANCIAL DIRECTOR WILL PROVIDE A LIST ON WHAT THE EXPENDITURES WOULD. WHAT THE EXPENDITURES. IT WAS COUNCIL WHO ENCOURAGED US TO PLACE AN A CONTINGENCY IN THERE FOR UNFORESEEN EXPENDITURES THAT MAY OCCUR. OKAY. AND LIEN RECOMMENDED AT THE TIME THAT THE RULE OF FIRM IS 3%. OKAY? CORRECT. OKAY. AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER. SO WE DID THE LAST BUDGET, CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET, WE WAS APPROVED WITH A 3% CONTINGENCY. OKAY? OKAY. NOW TO GO BACK TO ADDRESS THAT. ALL THIS SOUNDS GREAT. I'LL GO BACK TO IT. IF IT WAS 3% AND WE APPROVED IT AND IT WAS 245 LAST YEAR, WHY ARE WE GOING TO 770 THOU 75,000 THIS YEAR? IF IT WAS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, IT CAN'T BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE. GO AHEAD. ONCE AGAIN, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, DON'T MARRY UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBER DISETTE, THERE IS NOT THE FUNDING FOR ME TO PUT THE 3% IN THERE. THIS IS THE MAX AMOUNT THAT I WAS ABLE TO PUT IN THERE BASED ON THE PROPOSED, SHOULD YOU MAKE DIFFERENT DECISIONS, THAT'S FINE. BUT MY LIMITATION IS FOR ALL OF GENERAL FUND, I BELIEVE IT WAS 91,000,980. AND THAT IS THE MAX AMOUNT THAT I CAN ACTUALLY HAVE FOR. SO IT WAS THREE GENERAL FUNDS. PERCENT. WHAT WAS 3% OF THAT, MA'AM? THE 3% OF THAT IS WHAT? 91 MILLION? YES. $2,758,000. 2 MILLION. AND THAT'S 3%. YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENT, SIR? WHAT IS THE TOTAL? I I JUST LOOK HERE UP. I JUST SAID WHAT IT IS. YOU ALL DO THAT 'CAUSE WE GOT ANOTHER BUDGET WORKSHOP. I'M GONNA GO BACK AND DO SOME MORE HOMEWORK ON CITIES. 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT IN A BUDGET WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO. AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT CONTINGENCY. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE CONTINGENCY LISTED IN OTHER PLACES IN THIS. SO HOW WE GET THIS, THAT'S ONE THING Y'ALL NEED TO LOOK AT. 'CAUSE I'M GONNA GO BACK AND, AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT HOW CITY STOOD. 'CAUSE I, I, I'VE NEVER SEEN NOTHING LIKE THIS. CONTINGENCY ALMOST $800,000. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS, I'M SORRY, HE HAD A QUESTION ON THE SAME THING. OKAY. COUNCIL LEWIS? OKAY. YES. GOOD. I NEED A BREAK. UH, NEXT, NEXT TO THE BUDGET SESSION, I NEED A BREAKDOWN ON THE 245,000 THAT WAS SPENT. I NEED A BREAK OUT ON THAT. AND I ALSO NEED A QUESTION ANSWERED. DID YOU COMPLETE ALL OF THE, THE UNFORESEENS UNDER THAT WITH THAT 245,000? OKAY. THAT'S SOMETHING I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU ON, MA'AM. SHE SAID SHE'S GONNA GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT PROBLEM. NOT TODAY. COUNCIL MEMBER DOUCETTE. OH, JUMPED WRITTEN. I DIDN'T SEE AND UH, I FORGOT IT. WHEN I GET TO THE DEPARTMENT, IF ANYBODY GOT GOT ANYTHING, THEY NEED TO LET YOU KNOW. SO YEAH, DON'T HAVE TO AND I'LL CALL RIGHT BACK. ALRIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING. HE WAS ANSWERING ON IS THIS ON THIS THE CONTINGENCY? NO, NO, I'M, I'M NOT ON CONTINU. OKAY. DO YOU WANT, DID YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? YOU WANT TO FINISH? YEAH, LET HIM FINISH PRESENTING HIS FIRST, THEN YOU CAN DO YOUR FIRST. BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING I SAID, HE COULD COMMENT ON IT. YEAH, IF IT'S SOMETHING. ALRIGHT. DEALING WITH CONTINUOUSLY THAT SPECIFIC THING MM-HMM . OKAY. BUT IN, IN, BUT IN LINE OF THAT, YOU SAID YOU HAD, YOU GO AHEAD AND PRESENT ALL YOUR QUESTIONS SO I CAN THEN GO TO THE NEXT PERSON I GOT WITH ALL OF THEIR QUESTIONS. OKAY. UH, LYNN, 63. WHAT PAGE? PAGE 63. DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES. ONCE, UH, THE, UH, CONTRACTOR SERVICES TWO [00:20:01] 2,037,000, WELL, 38,000. WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? SO THIS IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? SO THESE AREN'T GONNA BE SPLIT BETWEEN THE GIS SYSTEM, THE PLANNING DIVISION, THE NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION. EXCUSE ME, LYNN. YES SIR. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT WHOLE SECTION. UH, EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IN THAT WAS CONTRACTOR SERVICES FOR 2 MILLION. THE 2 MILLION AND SOMETHING. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. YES. SO THAT IS, THAT IS IN EACH OF THOSE WHERE I HAVE EXPENDITURES BY DIVISION, THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES OF THE 2,000,037 IS ADDING UP ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS THAT BEGIN. ON PAGE 64 FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THERE ARE SEVEN DIFFERENT DIVISIONS. SO IN GEOGRAPHIC YOU'LL HAVE 96,900 IN PLANNING, YOU'VE GOT 384,700 IN EACH OF THOSE ARE DIVIDED UP INTO WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES ARE. IN. ON PAGE 66, YOU'VE GOT 129,525. PAGE 67, YOU HAVE FOUR THOU, 46,700 FOR 68, WHICH MIGHT BE THE ONE YOU MAY HAVE THE QUESTIONS ON THAT IS GONNA BE 788,800. AND ON PAGE 69 YOU HAVE 546,000 AND THEN AND 600. AND THEN ON PAGE 70 IS 44,600. ALL OF THOSE PAGES AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS MAKE UP THAT 2 MILLION NOT OR THAT 2 MILLION. OKAY. CONTRACT 37 8 25 IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. AND SO ALL OF THOSE ARE DETAILED OUT IN THE FOLLOWING PAGES BETWEEN PAGES 64 AND 70. RIGHT? AND ALL OF THEM IS PRETTY MUCH IN LINE EXCEPT THE ONE Y. YES SIR. I GUESS YOU KNEW I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, NO, I DIDN'T KNOW. OKAY. 68. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GONNA ASK ME. I'M TRYING TO BE AS PREPARED AS POSSIBLE. NO, NO, NO. 'CAUSE , YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEN I LOOK AT 'EM ALL, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT STARTED COMING OUTTA WHITE. UH, BECAUSE I LOOK, I LOOK AT PREVIOUS YEARS, OKAY? MM-HMM . 2000, THE ACTUAL, WE GO TWO ACTUAL, THAT'S 20 PHYSICAL YEAR. 23 AND 24. 23 AND 24 WILL GIMME A BASIC IDEA ON WHAT IT COSTS. AND WHEN I LOOK AT 23 AND 24, THE CURRENT YEAR, I DON'T, I DON'T PUT TOO MUCH WEIGHT ON THE CURRENT YEAR. 'CAUSE THAT COULD BE THINGS THAT IMPACTED FOR US TO HAVE HIGH OR LOW. BUT 23 AND 24, GIVE ME AN IDEA OF OPERATION AND MAINTAINING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THAT AND I HAVE FOR 23 AND 24, NOTHING, OKAY? AND THEN WE DO TO THIS YEAR, WE ACTUALLY PUT 7 0 2 AND WE ACTUALLY, YOU ARE PREDICTING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 275,000. I'LL SAY THAT. SO YOU ARE PREDICTING YOU'RE GOING TO END A YEAR ON IT WITH SPENDING 275,000 OF THE 700 THAT YOU BUDGETED FOR. OKAY? IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, I'M SAYING FOR ALLY, YEAR 23, 24, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING. THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING WE HAD TO DO. SO WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET FOR 24. SO THE THINGS THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO OR PERHAPS MAY NEED, YOU FIGURED YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 700,000. BUT NOW THE END OF THE YEAR, WE ARE PREDICTING THAT WE ONLY GONNA HAVE SPENT 2,702 274,000. BUT NOW FOR TWO, FOR 2020 5, 26, YOU WANT 710,000. SO I NEED TO KNOW WHY , WHICH PAGE YOU ON? UH, 68 BACK 68. RIGHT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN, IF YOU GO BACK AND REFER TO PAGE 67. 67, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. IF YOU NOTICE FOR 23 AND 24, THOSE [00:25:01] NUMBERS ARE MUCH HIGHER. THAT'S BECAUSE DEMOLITION AND INSPECTIONS AND PERMITTING WAS BUDGETED TOGETHER. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THAT DISCREPANCY. UM, IF YOU REFER TO, OOPS, I'M SORRY, I'VE TURNED MY PAGES AROUND. IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE ACTUALS FOR 22, 23 AND THE ACTUALS OF 23, 24 ON PAGE 68, THEY'RE ZEROED OUT. YOU'RE RIGHT, THE BUDGET WAS COMBINED WITH INSPECTIONS AND PERMITTING. IN THOSE YEARS, THEY WERE BUDGETED UNDER THE SAME ACCOUNT. OKAY? SO IF YOU REFER TO PAGE 67, YOU SEE FOR 23, FOR 2223, IT WAS $700,002. AND FOR 2324, IT WAS 401,000. OKAY. OUTSTANDING. GOOD ANSWER. LET'S MOVE ON. THE NEXT QUESTION, WHEN YOU TAKE IT AS A WHOLE, I'M GOOD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS HERE, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU A, A SNAPSHOT, I I REALLY, IT'S A REDUCTION IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. NOW WE GOT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. I LOOKED AT SNAPSHOT, BUT I'M GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET BASED ON WHAT I SAW WHEN YOU GAVE IT TO ME. I, I JUST ASK SOME QUESTIONS, GET ANSWERS. I'M GOOD. DON'T GET ANSWERS. I'M NOT GOOD. SIMPLE. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU, UH, SEE TALKING ABOUT? UH, POLICE. OKAY, POLICE. I LOOKED AT, UH, THE, WHAT PAGE DO YOU RECALL? OH, I'M SORRY. BAY 78. 78. OH, I'M SORRY. 70. DID BAY, DID BAY HAVE A QUESTION ON NO, NO. COUNCIL MEMBER? NO, I, WHO WANTS TO KNOW WHAT PAGE? I'M SORRY. OH, OKAY. 78. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY, WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER, RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. 70, 78, YES. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REGULAR EARNINGS. OKAY, I SEE THERE WE HAVE, UM, PAID 78 CITY OF POLICE. YEAH. 78 POLICE. UH, WE GOING TO THE TOP, THE SALARIES AND EARNINGS, OKAY? I MEAN, REGULAR EARNINGS, OKAY? REGULAR EARNINGS. REGULAR EARNINGS IN 23, 22, 23, WE SAY 11 MILLION SOMETHING. AND, UH, IN, UH, 2324, WE HAVE 11 MILLION. BUT IN, UH, 24 25 THAT THIS YEAR WE HAD 13,000,658 THAT WE BUDGETED FOR. AND WE'RE GONNA, YOU ARE PREDICTING THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND ALL THE MONEY BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO MY QUESTION IS, DID WE HAVE, DID WE INCREASE POSITIONS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THIS LAST YEAR? I, I DON'T REMEMBER AS ADDING POSITIONS LAST YEAR IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO HOW DID, SO, SO THAT'S $2 MILLION MORE. SO HOW DO WE GET TWO MORE, $2 MILLION MORE IN EARNINGS IN THE DEPARTMENT? AND WE DIDN'T ADD NO MORE PEOPLE. I LISTEN BECAUSE WAIT A MINUTE. BECAUSE THIS YEAR YOU WENT BACK TO 11. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU WENT BACK TO 11. YES. WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, SIR? I DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND THAT WAS THE ESTIMATE THAT I HAD PROVIDED. I WAS PROVIDED BETTER INFORMATION. AND THIS IS BASED ON THE CIVIL CONTRACT AND THE NON-CIVIL SERVICE THANK YOU CONTRACT. AND WHEN I ACTUALLY PUT ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER, IT WAS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO WHAT I'VE HAD. ON THE OTHER HAND TOO, YOU WILL SEE THAT I HAD TO INCREASE ON THE OVERTIME EARNINGS KIND OF AS AN OFFSET. I BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS WILL BE MORE ACCURATE MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT'S WHAT MY GOAL IS GOING TO BE. OKAY? AND THE OTHER, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I ONLY HAVE, BUT ONE MORE QUESTION. OH, THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT, LYNN. THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD EXPLANATION. OKAY. YOU'RE COMING IN. BUT NOW THIS NEXT, THIS NEXT LINE, OVERTIME EARNING 1.2 MILLION. THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST DEPARTMENTS. AND BECAUSE HIS, UH, POSITIONS, IF HE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF POSITIONS, UH, FAIL, THEN I CAN UNDERSTAND HIM USING OVERTIME BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OVER TIME SOMEBODY GOT A DOUBLE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT $1.2 MILLION, I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T GET IT. YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN A, I WANT, I'VE SEEN THIS SO MANY TIMES. [00:30:01] WE HAVE DIRECTORS, PEOPLE IN CHARGE, THEY HAVE TO DO SOME WORKING WITH THINGS. BUT MONIES, IF YOU GIVE ME $1.2 MILLION, I SPEND $1.2 MILLION. OKAY? OR I OR YOU GONNA FIND SOMEWHERE TO SPEND IT. BUT WE ESTIMATED FOR 2 24 FOR IT TO BE 750,000. THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE BUDGETED 750. AND YOU TELLING ME, WELL, THEY GOING TO END THE YEAR SPENDING 750. WHY DIDN'T WE GIVE 'EM 750 AGAIN? WHY 1.2 MILLION? THEY BLEW THE BUDGET ON THE THEY DID WHAT? OVERTIME? THEY BLEW THE BUDGET ON THE OVERTIME. I ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THAN 750. WELL, GUESS WHAT? WHEN YOU GIVE ME THIS BUDGET YES SIR. AND YOU ARE PROJECTING SEVEN 50, NO, YOU NEED TO PROJECT TO ME WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. SEE, BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU TELL ME IT WAS ONE POINT, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHY. SEE, THEY NEED TO MANAGE MONEY THE WAY WE APPROVE MONEY. AND IT'S YOUR JOB CITY MAN'S JOB TO ENSURE THAT THEY STAY WITHIN THIS BUDGET. AND IF THEY DON'T STAY WITHIN THIS BUDGET, WHY? WE DON'T KNOW. SO IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT EXCEEDED $750,000 BEFORE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED $1 MORE IN THIS, FROM THIS CITY FOR OVERTIME, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AND WE SHOULD HAVE AMENDED THE BUDGET OR PUT MORE MONEY INTO IT FROM THE FUND BALANCE. OR THE CITY MANAGER COULD HAVE REQUESTED THAT WE MOVE MONEY FROM SALARY AND BENEFIT 'CAUSE HE HAD VACANCIES TO AND EXPLAIN IT TO COUNCIL. BUT WHEN YOU GIVE US THESE NUMBERS, DON'T GIVE ME NO NUMBERS. YOU JUST ROLLING OVER. I WANT TO KNOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER DISETTE, ON THE NEXT ITERATION, I'LL BE CONCENTRATING MORE ON CLOSER THANK YOU TO THE ESTIMATE BY THE TIME BUDGET ADOPTION COMES AROUND. AND, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT BE PREPARED IF YOU OVERSPEND, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU START OVERSPENDING. THERE SHOULD BE SOME DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS YOU OVERSPENT. BECAUSE IF YOU OVERSPENT, THERE'S DOCUMENTATION THAT'S SAYING THE MONEY THAT YOU USED TO OVERSPEND, YOU TOOK IT FROM THIS PLACE. I WANNA KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM. I'M NOT GONNA KEEP GOING OVER THESE NUMBERS AND ALL THIS STUFF ONLY TO COME AND PEOPLE NOT ACCOUNTING FOR IT. AND WHEN I APPROVE A BUDGET, THAT'S WHY I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT MONEY. I DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IN THE CITY, BASED ON HOW WE SPEND THIS MONEY, I WILL DO A BETTER JOB IN ENSURING THAT YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET HAS A MORE ACCURATE ESTIMATED IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THAT'S GOOD, LYNN. THAT'S A TYPICAL RESPONSE. I GET IT. AS LONG AS YOU HEAR WHAT'S COMING FROM HERE, I'LL SEE WHAT THE RESULTS WILL BE. HOW DO YOU GET AWAY? I'LL BE GOING BY THE TIME YOU DO THE NEXT ONE. . WHAT? I TELL YOU WHAT, I'M GONNA BE WATCHING SO HARD BEFORE I LEAVE BECAUSE YOU'LL DO AT LEAST ONE QUARTER OR SO WHILE I'M HERE. SO I'LL BE OBSERVING IT. OKAY? ON THE FIRE. LET'S GO TO FIRE. PAGE 6 82. PAGE 82. 82. 82. HOLD ON. UC, BEFORE YOU GO. OKAY, YOU GOT SOMETHING? QUESTION. LET ME, UH, JUST REAL QUICK. UH, UH, BUILDING MAINTENANCE, UH, POLICE, UH, INCREASED, UH, ABOUT $30,000, $29,000 OR WE ANTICIPATE ANY TYPE OF UPKEEP OR THAT'S JUST SOMETHING PERCENTAGE THAT WE ARE JUST IN PUTTING ON BUILDING MAINTENANCE BECAUSE I KNOW WE, WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPLACE, UH, UH, DO SOME WORK ON THE ROOF BEFORE IN THE LAST THREE TO FIVE YEARS. AC UNITS. I MEAN, WHAT WE ACCOUNTING FOR ON THIS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT CHIEF OR IF SOMEONE WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE ARE DUMPING A LOT OF MONEY IN THERE, CITY MANAGER AND UNDERSTANDING THIS, WE MAY BE LOOKING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY IF WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THAT BUILDING COUNCIL [00:35:01] MEMBER KINLAW ON PAGE 237 ADDRESSES, I BELIEVE YOUR REQUEST OR YOUR QUESTION ON THE REPLACEMENT OF CENTRAL AIR AND HEAT UNIT POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? AND THE POLICE STATION BEGINNING OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT'S ON THE BOTTOM OF 2 37 AS THE REQUEST. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS TO THAT HELP, THAT HELP, UH, DIRECTOR. UM, 2 37. SO REQUEST, AND THAT'S UNDER THE 3 0 7 FUND. MM-HMM . AND THE ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS JUST THE 0 0 1 GENERAL FUND YOU WANNA DO GENERAL. OKAY. WELL YOU HAVE DEPICTED IN THE BUDGET, SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. IT JUST LOOKED AT THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE ON, ON PROPOSED FOR THE 25, 26, UH, FISCAL YEAR. UH, AND, AND THE ONLY REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP, DIRECTOR AND CITY MANAGER IS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THAT BUILDING, I MEAN WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I MEAN, BUILDING BRAND NEW, YOU KNOW WHAT 'EM GUYS, BECAUSE WE DUMPING EVERY, I'M LOOKING AT THIS BUDGET EVERY YEAR. MM-HMM . FIRE POLICE, THAT BUILDING. AND IT ALWAYS COMES BACK TO WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON MAINTENANCE AND M AND O, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE DOING THAT, WE PROBABLY WANNA LOOK LONG TERM IN TRYING TO INVEST IN SOMETHING BRAND NEW THAT WE DON'T AND USE THIS AS A, YOU KNOW, A RESERVE. YEAH. BUT FOR THE LONG TERM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ST. MARY SITE AS WELL. AND, UM, PAM, I THINK WE DID PUT SOMETHING IN. UM, YES, SIR. UM, WHAT WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT IS DOING A FACILITIES, UM, MAINTENANCE MASTER PLAN. YES. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY, OLDER FACILITIES, THE OPERATION CENTER BEING ONE OF THEM. UM, THAT AGAIN, IT'S WHAT ANY OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE, INCLUDING INFRASTRUCTURE IS YEARS OF NEGLECT. AND SO THEY ARE EXPERIENCING QUITE A FEW ISSUES IN A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS IN INCREMENTAL STEPS. BUT WE ARE STARTING TO LOOK AS THE CITY MANAGER STATED AT LONG TERM PLANS ON WHAT'S GONNA BE MORE, MORE COST EFFECTIVE IN THE LONG RUN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO IN THE LONG RUN, WHAT YOU WILL SEE THERE WILL BE PLANS FOR A SAFETY AND SECURITY COMPLEX WHERE YOU WILL HOUSE THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN HOUSE OTHER FACILITIES AS PART OF THIS GREAT COMPLEX ON THE 18 ACRE TRACK AT ST. MARY'S AS SOON AS WE FLEW WITH OUR ANIMAL SHELTER YEAH. OUT THERE. WELL, I REMEMBER THAT. I BOUGHT, YOU REMEMBER, I, I DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOU ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO ABOUT HAVING A SITE ON SITE OVER THERE. SO I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY INSTEAD OF SPENDING MONEY AND DUMPING MONEY AND PATCHING. SO THANK YOU CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. RIGHT. UH, COUNCILMAN LEWIS, IS IT ON THE POLICE? POLICE? YES. OKAY. YES, SIR. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON CENTRALIZING YOUR OPERATION, POLICE OPERATION? YES. UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT TRAVEL, WE'RE LOOKING AT COST, YOU KNOW. YEAH. AS I CONSTABLE LEWIS, AS I SAID, THE SAINT MARY SIDE OF THE, THE OLD HOSPITAL, UM, THE LONG TERM PLAN IS TO CONTINUE TO DO THE STUDIES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO PLACE OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OUT THERE AT THE ST. MARY SIDE. AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU ARE BRINGING THE SERVICES MUCH MORE CENTRAL, CENTRALIZING IT BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT POPULATION MOVEMENT AND GROWTH WHERE IT'S TAKING PLACE. RIGHT. AND THEN FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHERE THE GROUP IS TAKING PLACE, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THAT AREA. AND I THINK IF YOU CENTRALIZE THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, WE'LL BE IN A MUCH MORE STRATEGIC POSITION TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. RIGHT. ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS DRIVE BY THE POLICE, THE DOWNTOWN POLICE STATION AND SEE HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE THERE THAT'S USED DAILY THAT HAVE TO COME HERE, GET ORIENTATED TO WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEN DRIVE TO A POINT THEY NEED TO BE DRIVING FROM A CENTRALIZED PLACE. COURSE GASOLINE. THEY DON'T GIVE GAS AWAY. OKAY? AND, AND THERE IS ALSO THE PLANT. I, I KNOW THAT SOMETIME AGO WE HAD, UM, ON THE BUDGET FOR A POLICE SUBSTATION, SOME PRECINCT ON IN FRONT OF BJ'S OUT THERE, UM, THAT HAS NOT DIED. AND OUR ONLY STUMBLING UP, BJ, IS IT BJ'S SPA OUT THERE ON SEVENTH STREET, THE CORNER OF SAVANNAH AND SEVENTH. OKAY. YEAH. UM, OUR ONLY STUMBLING BLOCK IS, UM, WE HAVE, UM, HIT A SNAG IN THE ROAD OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE ABOUT, WE ARE TRYING TO PURCHASE. IT'S BEEN [00:40:01] TIED UP LEGALLY. AND UM, AS SOON AS WE OVERCOME THAT HURDLE, WE WILL MIX. OH YEAH. YES. REMEMBER MM-HMM . YEAH. AND I THINK THERE IS STILL THE PLAN THAT IF WE CREATE A POLICE SUBSTATION IN THAT AREA, WE COULD PROVIDE SOME SPACE FOR WHOEVER OUR AMBULANCE SERVICE IS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ALWAYS AN AMBULANCE PRESENCE RIGHT. IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA FOR DISPATCH PURPOSES. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE AMBULANCE PRESENCE AT FIRE STATIONS, IT COULD BE AT POLICE PRECINCTS AS WELL. MM-HMM . UM, WE HAVE PLANNED IT AND LAID IT IN THE, UM, PORTUS AREA. THE POLICE STATION WAS DESIGNED WITH THAT IN MIND. THE POLICE, THE FIRE STATION WAS DESIGNED WITH THAT IN MIND. THE FIRE STATION ON THE WEST SIDE, RIGHT. WHICH IS IN THIS BUDGET IS DESIGNED WITH THAT IN MIND AS WELL. RIGHT. THAT THERE WILL BE A POLICE PRESENT AT LEAST AN OFFICE SPACE. QUICK RESPONSE. THAT'S RIGHT. FOR QUICK RESPONSE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. COUNCILOR ETT, YOU WANNA, UH, 88. 88 WHAT DEPARTMENT STREETS? STREETS 88. YOU KNOW WHAT? OKAY. 88 ON 80 A. THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO COMMENT ON IS, UH, THE STREET MAINTENANCE LINE. THE STREET MAINTENANCE LINE. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STREET MAINTENANCE, UH, BUDGET, HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE NECESSARY STREET MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW, YOU, UH, STREET MAINTENANCE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTHOLES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A, A CERTAIN SECTION OF A STREET HAVING TO RE REBE, REBE REHAB NEED TO BE REDONE. NOT, NO, NOT REHAB OR RECONSTRUCTION. I'M TALKING STREET MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT A SECTION WHERE WE HAVE TO GO AND CUT OUT A SECTION OF CEMENT. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING, DOING THE WHOLE STREET. SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A STREET REHABIL REHABILITATION OR A RECONSTRUCTION THAT IS MAINTAINING A STREET. SO I WOULD THINK WE NEED TO PUT FUNDING IN THIS LINE ITEM TO REFLECT AND GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DO A LOT OF THAT WORK. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED CONSISTENTLY IS STREET MAINTENANCE. AND WHEN WE SAY STREET MAINTENANCE, WE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA ALWAYS BE EVEN WHEN WE GET ALL THESE STREETS, UH, IN THE CITY FIXED. SO PEOPLE DRIVE, YOU STILL HAVE TO DO STREET MAINTENANCE. YOU STILL, AND WE NEED TO STAY ON TOP OF IT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING FUNDING, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE APPROVE BUDGET, WHAT WE ARE APPROVING MONEY FOR. IF WE APPROVE MONEY TO MAINTAIN STREETS, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF WE PUT MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND SAYS, THIS MONEY IS FOR STREETS, RECONSTRUCTION AND REHABILITATION, THAT'S DIFFERENT. WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING MONEY IN HERE. AND I'LL BE DOING A PRESENTATION WHERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT AND LISTEN TO, YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THIS COME ABOUT MIXING APPLES AND ORANGES. BUT FINANCE AND BUDGETING IS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY. WE SUPPOSED TO COUNT FOR EVERY PENNY WE SPEND. SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF SYSTEM AND UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR. THAT'S WHY STREET MAINTENANCE IS PUBLIC WORKS AND STATE. SO, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN HERE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER YEAR OF MAINTAINING OUR STREETS? BECAUSE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THAT IS A PRIORITY AND YOU CAN'T ASK FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I CAN'T SEE US APPROVING. OKAY. UNLESS ANY OTHER COMES, I A HAVE A COUPLE OF LIGHTS ON STREETS. OKAY, GO AHEAD. I HAVE STRIKES LIGHTS. I'M SORRY. STRIKES ELLO. YES. I, OH, THANK YOU. UH, MAYOR, UH, JUST REAL QUICK ON DRAINAGE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, I KNOW WE GOT SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, UH, IN [00:45:01] THE NEAR FUTURE FOR DRAINAGE UPGRADES AND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING. UH, LET'S SEE IF THAT'S PAGE 89. 89, 89 I ON STREET MAINTENANCE. OKAY. STILL ON STREET MAINTENANCE. LEMME GO BACK. ARE WE, WE STREET? SORRY, BUT YOUR FIRST I THOUGHT YOU WAS ON. I'M WATCHING. YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS STREETS TOO. COME ON. NO, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. ON THE STREET MAINTENANCE, YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON STREET STREETS? NO, I'VE HEARD THE STREETS AND THAT, THAT STREET MAINTENANCE CREW DO THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD NEVER BE UNINTERRUPTED. NOW I'M HEARING THEY'VE BEEN STOPPING STREET MAINTENANCE AND TAKING THAT CREW TO TRAIN ON OTHER THINGS. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO THAT TELLS ME THE STREET MAINTENANCE STOPS. MM-HMM . SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING AND, AND TO TRY ALLOW TO PULL FROM A TEMPORARY POOL, THE CITY STILL HAVE A TEMPORARY POOL, RIGHT? WHEN YOU NEED TO MOVE YOUR STREET MAINTENANCE CREW TO DO OTHER THINGS TO, FOR TRAINING PURPOSES OR WHATEVER, OKAY. FOR FUTURE, THEY NEED TO FILL, FILL THAT STREET MAINTENANCE CREW FROM THAT TEMPORARY POOL SO IT WON'T BE INTERRUPTED. WE NEED MY WIFE DONE THAT. SPENT, THANK GOD SHE GOT HER OWN MONEY. , SHE BUSTED THEM LOW PROFILE TIMES TWO, TWICE GOING DOWN NINTH AVENUE, BUSTED A RIM, AN TIRE GOING DOWN WEST SEVENTH STREET, BUSTED A RIM TIRE. THEY A THOUSAND DOLLARS A PIECE. OKAY. SO, AND THEN WHY YOU, WE NEED TO DO, GIVE SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE TO, TO THE, UH, THE LUNCHEON OR WHAT HAVE YOU FOR THE CITY CREWS THEY ARE ON AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE ON THE STREETS EVERY DAY. THEY COVER ALL THE STREETS AND ALL THE AVENUE. YOU, IF YOU GOT A FRESH, A FRESH A POTHOLE, REPORT IT RIGHT AWAY FOR, SO MY WIFE WON'T BE GOING DOWN THERE BUSTING UP A TIRE OR BUSTING UP A RIM. OKAY? THEY DON'T GIVE 'EM AWAY. SO IF THE, THE CREWS, THE CITY CREWS WITH A LITTLE INCENTIVE, WE WILL REPORT THESE THINGS ON A DAILY BASIS. THEY, THEY'LL WORK IN THE STREETS EVERY DAY. AND ALSO IN AND BLIND CORNERS ALSO, YOU'VE GOT BLIND CORNERS GONNA GET SOME PEOPLE KILLED IN THE FUTURE. YOU CAN'T SEE, YOU GOTTA PULL OUT. SO IF YOU DO THAT, THAT WILL GO A LONG WAYS WITH THE PUBLIC. OKAY. MEANWHILE, YOU CO DOING YOUR CONSTRUCTION IN IN-HOUSE CONSTRUCTION AND, AND YOU NEED TO GROW THAT, GROW THAT DEPARTMENT, THE IN-HOUSE CONSTRUCTION ON THE STREETS, YOU NEED TO GROW THAT BECAUSE IT SAVES MONEY TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK, NOT TO MOVE IT, TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK IN MY DISTRICT. OKAY? WHEN YOU DO A CITY CRUISE SAVING MONEY, I CAN GET MORE MILES OF STREETS. NOT, I DON'T WANT TALK ABOUT GO GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE OR TRANSFER IT. WHAT'S APPROVED FOR THAT STREET AND DUCES BEEN HAMMERING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME. WHAT'S APPROVED FOR THAT? THAT DISTRICT STAYS IN. THAT DISTRICT AROSE OVER. BINGO. BINGO. SO COUNCILOR MAN LEWIS, WITH THE PRESENCE OF OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES, IT WAS OKAY, YOU WILL, UM, HE WAS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH YOU. I MM-HMM . YEAH. , YOU, YOU WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE IN OPERATING, UM, HOW WE ORGANIZE AND UM, HOW WE DISTRIBUTE THE WORKLOAD AND IN TERMS OF SUPERVISION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OF STREETS. YEAH. OKAY, GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER KEN LAW. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, CITY MANAGER. UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT STREETS IS SO VALID AND, AND AN IMPORTANT, UM, ITEM THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. UH, POTHOLE CREW. I DON'T SEE IT DEPICT ON THAT. WE WERE GONNA GO TO AN ADDITIONAL POTHOLE CREW. THAT'S ONE, THAT'S ONE VERY IMPORTANT ITEM THAT I BOUGHT UP LAST BUDGET YEAR. THEN I'M LOOKING ALSO, THE SECOND PART OF THIS QUESTION IS OVERTIME EARNINGS, UH, PROPOSED FOR 25, 26 FOR THE STREET IS CUT IN HALF BY $35,000. SO CAN WE, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CUTTING THE BUDGET, BUT THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED PEOPLE ON THE STREETS AND, AND DOING STREET MAINTENANCE. SO WHY DID WE CUT THAT IN HALF? SO HOW, HOW MANY MORE POSITIONS? YEAH. LE SAYING TO ME, WE ADDED MORE POSITIONS TO CUT DOWN ON THE OVERTIME AS WELL. MM-HMM . THEN THAT WOULD BE OKAY. THAT'LL LEAD INTO MY THIRD QUESTION. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. SO, SO DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SECOND CREW, A POTHOLE, INDIVIDUALS THAT'S GOING OUT THERE ON A STREET MAINTENANCE? BECAUSE [00:50:02] LAST FOUR MONTHS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. SO HOW DO WE, WE CUT DOWN THE OVERTIME WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT ALL OF THE POSITIONS WILL BE FILLED, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. IS ELLE ON AT ALL? NO. OKAY. IS ELLE ON ZOOM? OH, NO, NO. ALL THE DIRECTORS SHOULD BE HERE. UH, WELL LOOK HERE GUYS, IF YOU DON'T MIND. MAY I GET BACK WITH YOU? CAN, CAN YOU WRITE THAT? OH, SHE'S ON THERE. YES. YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP. CAN YOU HEAR ME? GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MARY. WE GOOD? YES, PLEASE. UH, UH, DIRECTOR, MY QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT WE CUT THAT, UH, OVERTIME IN HALF $35,000. UH, MY SECOND, I BOUGHT UP LAST YEAR IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, BUDGET YEAR ABOUT THE SECOND POTHOLE CREW, UH, FOR, FOR STREET, UH, MAINTENANCE. UH, BECAUSE UNTIL WE GET, AND WE'RE ABLE TO GO DOWN THE STREETS AND, AND REPAIR REHAB STREETS, RECONSTRUCTION OF STREETS, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME RESOLUTION. UH, MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE CUT THE OVERTIME EARNINGS IN THE STREET, UH, MAINTENANCE IN HALF $35,000? AND THEN THE SECOND FOLD OF THAT QUESTION WOULD ALSO BE, UH, DID WE HIRE MORE INDIVIDUALS TO ADDRESS STREET MAINTENANCE? OKAY, SO TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION REGARDING THE OVERTIME THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DO NOT, DID NOT TOUCH, UM, THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS. WE, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT. UM, THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS REGARDING AN ADDITIONAL PROOF. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. AND BEAR WITH ME. I'M LOOKING THROUGH MY NOTES AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING UP THAT I'M, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINING ABOUT CUTTING THE BUDGET ON OVERTIME EARNINGS, BUT THIS IS ESSENTIAL TO THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR WHERE WE HAVE, UH, STREET MAINTENANCE UNTIL WE GET TO YOUR STREETS. WE'RE TELLING CITIZENS, LISTEN, PUT IT ON THE LIST. GETTING WHAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WE'RE GONNA GET TO YOUR STREETS. BUT THE RESOLUTION OF CA THE COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS STATED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THE HOLES IN THE STREETS, WHAT CAN WE DO AT A, AND HAVE AN IMMEDIATE EFFECT IN REPAIRING THESE STREETS? SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ARE NOT GETTING TO THOSE STREETS, THAT WE HAVE POTHOLE CREWS OUT THERE EVERY DAY REPAIRING POTHOLES. I'VE BEEN TO THE SERVICE CENTER THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK YOU REMEMBER, YOU RECALL COUNCILMAN DOUCETTE AND MYSELF WENT OUT THERE AND THE POTHOLE TRUCK WAS STILL AT THE CENTER. I MEAN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TWO DIVE DIRECTIONS GOING AND EVERY DAY. THOSE WAS ESSENTIAL TO, UM, OF THE CITY MAINTENANCE. STREET MAINTENANCE. YES, SIR. I DO RECALL, UH, YOU ALL GOING OUT TO THE CENTER AND I I I GAVE YOU A PRESENTATION ON RIGHT, THE FREQUENCY WITH WHICH OUR POTHOLE CREW, UM, FIELD POTHOLES, UM, THE, UH, ADDITIONAL CREW WAS AN OVERSIGHT. BUT I WILL SPEAK WITH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND FINANCE, UH, TODAY TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. ALSO, LOOK AT YOUR BUDGET THAT IT'S CUT IN HALF. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER DOUCETTE, YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON BUDGET? YEAH. OKAY. I'M GOING. OKAY. ON THE STREETS. YOU ARE ON THE STREETS. YOU ON THE STREETS? OKAY. YES WE ARE. OKAY. I'M GLAD COUNCIL, MS. ROSELL, THAT'S, I'M ASSUMING ABOUT VOICE. THAT'S HER. YEAH. WE NEED TO YES, SIR. YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT, I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT, BUT, AND YOUR MIC COUNSELOR. HMM? I JUST WANTED YOU TALKING TO MIKE. OH YEAH. THANKS. CROSS TRAINING. I WHAT I GOT FROM YOU, UH, A WHILE BY YOU SHUT THE POTHOLE CREW SHUT DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE USING, YOU CROSS TRAIN YOUR PEOPLE, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. BUT WHEN ALL I'M SAYING I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU SHUT, WHEN YOU CROSS TAKING THE CREW OFF THE, THE MAINTENANCE CREW, POTHOLE, MAINTENANCE CREW AND TAKING THEM IN THE, TO CROSS TRAIN THEM, YOU NEED TO FILL THAT POSITION ON THE POTHOLE, UH, WITH TEMPORARY PEOPLE AND NEVER SHUT DOWN THE POTHOLE CREW AND THE STREET MAINTENANCE DO NOT SHUT DOWN THE STREET MAINTENANCE AT, AT THE POTHOLES COME EVERY DAY. EVERY TIME YOU GET A RAIN, THE POTHOLE GETS BIGGER. OKAY. LOVE YOU. THANK SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT RUNNING CONSTANTLY 24 7 FOR AS I'M CONS CONCERNING. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER. FRANK, YOU HAD A QUESTION ON STREETS. YEAH. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT STREETS IS, IS THAT WHEN WE ARE DOING STREETS, UM, AS WE'RE DOING THE STREETS [00:55:01] IN OUR CITY, CAN WE ENSURE THAT WHEN WE TAKE ON THOSE STREETS AND THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE COMPLETE THE WHOLE STREET, UM, THERE IS A STREET, UM, NEW ORLEANS STREET, IT'S BEEN DONE UP FROM, UM, FROM GULF WAY DRIVE ALL THE WAY UP TOWARD, UH, FOURTH STREET. BUT THE, BUT THE THREE BLOCKS FROM GULF WAY DRIVE TO 19TH STREET HAVE NOT BEEN DONE. AND SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY, WHY THOSE, WHY THOSE BLOCKS HAVE NOT BEEN DONE WHEN WE, WE'VE DONE THE, THE STREET IN ITS IN TOTALITY. WE'LL HAVE THEM LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THAT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD COUNSEL. JUST SAY YOU HAVE THE, UM, OKAY. AND, UH, IN REFERENCE TO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THESE STREETS, UM, A ACCORDING TO THE DOCTOR PROGRAM BECAUSE IF WE HAD DONE THAT, THAT STREET, WHAT WE WOULD'VE SEEN IN THE BUDGET HERE, YOU WOULD'VE SAW THE LIST OF THAT STREET AND YOU JUST SAW THAT IT ONLY WENT FROM HERE TO HERE. AND ALTHOUGH THAT WAS DECIDED BETWEEN THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE STAFF WHEN IT CAME BEFORE THE FULL COUNCIL, YOU COULD THEN JUST SAY, HEY, WHY Y'ALL STOPPING THERE? AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO JUSTIFY WHY THEY STOPPING THERE. BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT SHOULD HAPPEN WHEN WE START PUTTING THESE STREETS AND MONEY AND STUFF. WE COULD QUESTION IT THEN AS OPPOSED TO AFTERWARDS. OKAY. UH, BEFORE YOU BEGIN YOUR NEXT OH YES. THANK UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. EVER FEEL YOUR HAND IS UP? YES. YES MA'AM. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT STREETS. THANK YOU. OKAY, GO AHEAD. YES. UM, MANAGER, MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE, UM, MOTOR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, THAT NUMBER REMAINED THE SAME AT 118,000. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAD SOME MACHINES THAT HAD BEEN DOWN THAT WERE, THAT WAS PREVENTING US FROM DOING SOME OF OUR PROJECTS MORE EXPEDITIOUSLY. IS, ARE, ARE THOSE ALREADY REPAIRED OR, I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE OR NOT, I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE TO WAIT, UM, FOR ANY REPAIRS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE PROPER EQUIPMENT AS MS. ROBERTS IS ON THE LINE. ALSO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE REASON WHY WE'VE KEPT IT THE SAME IS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS GRACIOUSLY APPROVED SOME OF, IS IT SOME, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, SOME OF THE NEW EQUIPMENT THAT'S NOT RELATED TO SOLID WASTE. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN APPROVALS FOR EQUIPMENT, I BELIEVE, THROUGH THE STREETS PROGRAM THAT MIGHT BE IN CAPITAL. UM, MS. ROBERTS, DO YOU DISAGREE OR DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION ON THAT? MS. MS. ROBERTS, SHE'S THERE. EXCUSE. SO THE EQUIPMENT THAT WAS REQUESTED WERE, UM, A TRAILER, UM, UH, A HAUL TRUCK AND PICKUP TRUCK. SO THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNT ONE 18, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE NO, THOSE ARE SEPARATE AND THEY WOULDN'T BE A PART OF THE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT. THEY HAVE BUDGET ME IF I'M WRONG. CORRECT. WELL, UNDER THIS SECTION FOR CAPITAL OUTLET AND THEIR EQUIPMENT THERE, ANYTHING, IT'S UNDER THE 3 0 7 AND THE CAPITAL RESERVE. IT'S ON THE 6 25 FUND FOR, FOR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. AND THE REASON WHY THIS IS KEPT THE SAME IS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PRESUME THAT THE NEW VEHICLES WILL HELP REDUCE, OR AT LEAST KEEP THAT PART OF THAT EXPENDITURE STABLE FOR MAINTENANCE. OKAY. SO THEY HAVE BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR JUST NOT UNDER ON THIS PAGE. OKAY. I CAN, THANK YOU. I CAN PRE, I CAN, LET ME TELL YOU, WHAT PAGE IS THAT? TWO 40 ON PAGE 2 41. OKAY. AND THAT IS WHERE THE EQUIPMENT THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, AUGUST, FRIDAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NOW WE'RE BACK. UH, COUNCILMAN DOUCETTE. OKAY. HE'S GONNA FINISH HIS, HIS QUESTIONS UP. I, I I, I OVER, I FORGOT ABOUT FIRE. I [01:00:01] HAVE ONLY ONE FOR FIRE. DEALING WITH THE MAIN BUDGET. ONCE AGAIN, OVERTIME PAGE, UH, 82 82, THE SECOND LINE OVERTIME 1 MILLION. AND I'M REALLY, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ONE BECAUSE UNLIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS PRETTY MUCH UP TO STRENGTH AND POSITIONS BEING FILLED AND ALWAYS ARE. BUT WE KEEP THESE 1 MILLION. AND THE LAST TIME, UH, I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST BUDGET, I WAS, UH, SAID THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME UP FOR EMERGENCIES OR DISASTERS. NO, THOSE THINGS COME UP. WE HAVE IN PLACE WHERE WE COULD BE REIMBURSED FROM THIS FOR OURSELVES. SO OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU HAVE YOUR FULL UH, STAFF, YOU HAVE TO MANAGE THAT. YOU HAVE TO MANAGE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THOSE MANY SITUATIONS THAT'S GONNA COME UP THAT WE CAN'T COVER IT. AND IF YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CANNOT, UH, PAY EVERYBODY WITH THE OVERTIME THAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET, THEN ONCE AGAIN WE COME BACK TO COUNCIL. BUT SEE, THE THING IS, WHEN YOU COME BACK TO COUNCIL, YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY BEFORE COUNCIL SAY, OKAY. AND I THINK IN THE, WE'VE GOT THIS ATTITUDE THAT WE GONNA ASK FOR ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL. NO, YOU NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU NEED TO ACCOUNT AND JUSTIFY WHY YOU ASKING US TO, FOR YOU TO APPROVE THIS MONEY. BUT IF WE GIVE YOU ALL OF YOUR MONEY FOR SALARY AND BENEFITS AND YOU ARE ALL YOUR POSITION FILLED, YOU DON'T NEED A MILLION DOLLARS FOR OVERTIME. 'CAUSE IF YOU NEED A MILLION DOLLARS FOR OVERTIME, YOU NEED TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND CITIZENS AND EXPLAIN TO WHY YOU NEED MONEY FOR OVERTIME. OKAY? BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS NOT MANAGING OR SOMEBODY IS JUST FEEDING IT. AND IF I TAKE A LOOK AT SALARIES, WHICH I HAVE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE OVERTIME THAT IS BEING PAID AND SOME OF THE SALARIES OR SOME OF THE FIREFIGHTER OR THE PERSONNEL SALARIES ARE BASED ON OVERTIME FOR WHAT THE FIREFIGHTER MAKES. SOME OF YOU ALL MIGHT NOT MAKE THAT 1 MILLION BEFORE I APPROVE IT. I NEED, I NEED SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE HERE. MILLION DOLLARS. I'M NOT, I'M NOT RIDING WITH IT THEN AGAIN. OKAY. UH, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M MOVING STRAIGHT. I'M JUST ASKING ANY, ANYTHING I GOT HIGHLIGHTED. I'M GONNA ASK ABOUT IT AND IF YOU ALL COULD SAY, THEN Y'ALL COULD COMMENT. OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT I SAY THAT'S FARTHER UP THAN SOMEBODY THAT WANTED SOMETHING EARLIER, THEY CAN INTERVENE AT ANY TIME. I'M NOT REALLY RIGHT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AT THE, YOU KNOW, GET YOURS COMPLETED SO I CAN THEN GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER MCKEN LAW AND COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK WITH THEIR CONCERNS. OKAY? BUT IF IT'S ON THE SAME TOPIC, YOU'RE ON. THERE YOU GO. WE'RE WE'RE DOING THAT. ALRIGHT. YES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UH, PARK, MAY I HAVE ONE ON, ON, ON, UM, FIRE, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON FIRE? OKAY, I DO. FINE. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER EVER FELL? YES MA'AM. UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THE QUICK RESPONSE VEHICLE, UM, IS INCLUDED IN EQUIPMENT FOR FIRE. HE SAID, UH, COUNCIL, UM, CAN YOU SEE THE CHIEF CHIEF HAVENS TO SAID NO, IT'S NOT INCLUDED. OKAY. WHY HAS THAT NOW BEEN INCLUDED SINCE IT IS, UM, A GREAT BENEFIT TO HELP DECREASE THE DAMAGE TO THE STREETS FROM THE FIRE ENGINE. IT WAS REQUESTED TALKING TO MIKE CHIEF, I'M SORRY, SPEAK THERE. WE, UM, OUR INITIAL, UH, BUDGET REQUEST INCLUDED, UM, THREE VEHICLES AND STAFFING FOR, UH, THREE VEHICLES. WHAT CAN YOU HEAR COUNCILMAN BARFIELD? YES, BUT WHAT ARE THOSE VEHICLES ARE TO DO? WHAT WOULD THEY SUPPORT? A QUICKER RESPONSE? YES. BASICALLY YOU WOULD BE SENDING, UM, THOSE VEHICLES TO MEDICAL EMERGENCIES, UH, IN LIEU OF SENDING OTHER APPARATUS. THAT, THAT WAS MY REQUEST. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS MEANING SOMETHING TO HELP DECREASE HOW OFTEN THE ENGINES HAVE TO GO OUT IN THE EVENT THAT WE [01:05:01] CAN TODAY. QUICK RESPONSE VEHICLE. THANK YOU CHIEF. ANYONE ELSE ON FIRE? NO OTHER COUNCIL'S ON FIRE. THANK YOU. CHIEF COUNCIL MEMBER GISETTE, YOU MAY PROCEED. PARK, PARK MAINTENANCE. PARK MAINTENANCE. OKAY. WHAT? YEAH, WHAT PAGE? WHAT PAGE IS THAT? 1 0 2. I'M GONNA GET IT TOGETHER IN ONE OF THESE TWO. 1 0 2. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'M MOVE STRAIGHT ON THROUGH. THAT'S FINE. UH, IT'S GONNA BE UNDER MAINTENANCE, UH, AND IT'S OTHER MAINTENANCE. MM-HMM . RIGHT DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT TERM. OTHERS? I JUST DON'T LIKE OTHERS. WE GOT BUILDING MAINTENANCE, STREET MAINTENANCE, EQUIVALENT MAINTENANCE. WHAT IS OTHER MAINTENANCE? ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING 200,000. COME TELL ME WHAT OTHER MAINTENANCE IS. I, WELL, I DON'T GIVE MONEY ON FATIGUE. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO FOR US, OTHER MAINTENANCE INCLUDES LIKE VANDALISM. UM, WHEN THEY GO TO PARKS AND STEAL ALL ELECTRICAL STUFF AND SCOREBOARDS DON'T WORK, THAT'S COSTING US ABOUT 20,000 A PIECE FENCE REPAIR THAT'S COSTING US ABOUT THE AVERAGE PRINCE REPAIR 15, $20,000 AS WELL. SO IT'S THOSE, IT IS THOSE UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN REGULAR EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE. IT'S THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING TO OUR PARK. STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF TAKE CARE OF. OKAY. NOW LET ME DISCUSS YOUR REPLY TO ME. YES. IF SOMEBODY IS STEALING STUFF AND VANDALIZING STUFF, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE INSURANCE, CORRECT? WE FILE UNDER THE INSURANCE. OKAY. WE PAYING FOR INSURANCE. OKAY. SO WHY WOULD I WORRY ABOUT PUTTING MONEY IN A BUDGET TO COVER THEFT? SO WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TO, LIKE OUR EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT DIRECTLY OUT OF OUR BUDGET BEFORE WE GET ANY INSURANCE PROCEEDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COST IS MINUS THE DEDUCTIBLE, WE MIGHT NOT GET ANYTHING FROM IT. WELL, YOU HAVE BILLING MAINTENANCE, YOU HAVE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE. OKAY? YOU, YOU, YOU'VE VA YOU, YOU'VE ASKING FOR MONEY AND WE ARE GIVING IT TO YOU FOR MAINTENANCE, BUT WE ARE GIVING YOU MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE THAT YOU IDENTIFY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IN ORDER TO OPERATE. OKAY? AND HERE YOU ASKING FOR MONEY IN CASE, WELL, ALL OF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON YOUR PREVIOUS YEARS AND NORMALLY WHAT IT'S GONNA COST YOU TO, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST FOR YOU TO MAINTAIN A, A, SOME KIND OF IDEA. AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU PUT IT IN THAT BUDGET. I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'M, THIS IS FOR NOT MAINTAINING SOMETHING. SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, LIKE LET'S JUST SAY SOMEONE HITS A FENCE OR LIKE WHEN WE CAME TO THE POOL ONE DAY, SOMEBODY ACTUALLY HIT THE FENCE AND IT COST US OVER $20,000 TO REPAIR THE FENCE AT THE POOL. IT'S NOT MAINTAINING. WE DID NOT PUT IN THE BUDGET 'CAUSE THE FENCE WAS PERFECT. IT WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. SO THESE ARE UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR IT TO HAPPEN. IT'S NOT A UPKEEP OF SOMETHING, IT'S MORE OF SOMETHING IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. SO ONCE AGAIN, MAYBE ONE OF US, UH, UH, OUT IN LEFT FIELD OR MAYBE ONE OF US JUST TALKING, NOT LISTENING, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S SLOW. SO WE BOTH BE ON THE SAME BOAT, OKAY? IF YOU HAVE MONEY THAT YOU PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR MAINTENANCE, A BUILDING EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER, YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT OR NOT, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO THESE THINGS. OKAY? SO IF YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU GONNA PUT MONEY IN THERE AND 'CAUSE IF SOMEBODY HIT A FENCE, WELL THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU COULD PUT THE MONEY IN IT. THAT'S WHY I SAY OTHERS, YOU SEE OTHERS CAN BE USED TO DO OTHER THINGS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING IN THIS CITY BECAUSE WHEN WE GET ASKED WHERE THE FUNDING COMING FROM AND THE RESOLUTION YOU HAVE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THIS LINE ITEM, THAT'S HOW WE GET THESE LINE ITEMS. AND THAT'S HOW WE FIND MONEY IS THERE BECAUSE WE GOT MONEY THAT REALLY MORE THAN LIKELY WE'RE NOT GONNA USE. AND IF NOTHING ELSE, IF WE DON'T USE IT, WE GOING TO USE IT. SO MY MY POINT, AND I SAID IT BEFORE I STARTED ALL THESE OTHERS, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND [01:10:01] WHAT IT TAKES TO OPERATE IN THIS CITY. AND IT'S BASED ON PREVIOUS YEARS. BUT WE CAN'T PUT MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND SAY OTHERS. OH MY GOODNESS. OKAY. UH, UH, BECAUSE ANYTHING IS IS UNDER, IT COULD BE MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN PUT IT IN THERE. IF YOU PUT IT IN THERE, I SAY MAINTENANCE. SO DOWN WHATEVER FALLS UNDER MAINTENANCE AS DESCRIBED FOR THAT LINE ITEM, THAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE FOR THAT. BUT WHEN YOU SAY OTHERS, YOU'RE NOT TELLING ME NOTHING. THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH THESE BUDGETS. AND I, I'M GONNA, I'M NOT, I'M, I DON'T LIKE WE SUPPOSED TO ACCOUNT FOR, SIR, THIS, OUR BUDGET IS DONE. OKAY. SO 200,000 FOR OTHERS AND NO, AND YOU CAN'T, WELL IF FIND, FIND SOMEWHERE TO PUT IT IN THE MAINTENANCE AND, BECAUSE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS WE TRANSFER TO MAINTENANCE. YOU, YOU, YOU SEE, BECAUSE I'M GONNA USE HOW MUCH SHE USED. SEE, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE NEXT YEARS, WE GONNA GO TO HOW MUCH WAS SPENT THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND THAT'S HOW WE DERIVE AT HOW MUCH WE NEED TO PUT IN THE BUDGET IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN AND OPERATE. OKAY. YES. WE COULD DO TWO THINGS. WE COULD EITHER TRANSFER IT OR WE COULD RENAME THE SUB ITEM TO UNFORESEEN EMERGENCIES OR WHATEVER. MERIT. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCILMAN, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT MISS IS SAYING. IF THE, IF THE FENCING IS PERFECT AROUND THE POOL AND A VEHICLE HITS IT, IN ORDER TO AVOID FURTHER LIABILITY OF A CHILD GOING IN THERE AND DROWNING, I'VE GOT TO IMMEDIATELY REPEL THAT FENCE. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE LIABILITY IS MUCH HIGHER AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU HADN'T ACCOUNTED FOR. YES. AND SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE. SO, AND IT'S JUST LIKE THE ADAM SPARK. SHE GOES OUT THERE AND SHE SAID, WE'VE GOT A A, A BALL GAME THIS WEEKEND AND ALL THE COPPER IS MISSING AND I'VE GOT TO SEND IT AND I'VE GOT TO SIGN AN EMERGENCY MEMO TO REPLACE IT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE GAME OVER THE WEEKEND. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD, YOU COULD, YOU, YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD SEND IT ANY WAY, YOU KNOW, AND I SAY IT, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT OTHER, I THINK LET YOU GO AHEAD AND FINISH. 'CAUSE I HAVE SOMETHING. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IT. I'M NOT THE THINGS YOU ALL ARE SAYING, THERE'S TO PLACE IT IN YOUR BUDGET WHERE YOU COULD PLACE THOSE MONIES. OKAY. BUT WHAT I'M IN, WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF I GO BACK AND SEE, THIS IS THE THING I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE WHEN I SAY SOMETHING, YOU START TELLING ME ALL THESE THINGS. I COULD GO BACK AND START BRINGING PRIOR BUDGET AND SHOW YOU WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN I SAY YOU ASKED FOR MONEY IN THERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU SAID YOU SPENT IT. OKAY. BUT IF I SAY WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING ON, CAN I GO PULL THAT PO OR THAT VOUCHER? OKAY. SEE THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND Y'ALL COULD OPEN THE CAN OF WORM WITH ME IF YOU WANT. BUT WHEN I'M SPEAKING, I'M SPEAKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I CAN GO AND SHOW YOU. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, IF YOU ASK FOR IT, SPEND IT. AND IF YOU DIDN'T SPEND IT, I WANNA SEE IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. I'M NOT SEEING IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT IF SOMEBODY WANNA TRY TO TELL ME I SPENT IT, I'LL GO PULL IT. SEE? SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I'M NOT, I'M NOT HERE TO HASSLE NOBODY. BUT WHEN I'M TALKING FINANCES, WE EITHER CAN GO BY IT. OKAY? WHEN YOU SAY OTHERS, WHENEVER YOU SAY OTHERS, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, I WANT, IF I TELL YOU TO PULL A PO I EXPECT YOU TO PULL A PO. AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ABOUT MONEY IN THE CITY. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT ACCOUNTING FOR MONEY. YOU SAY OTHERS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE DON'T GET REPORTED. OTHERS, Y'ALL DON'T REPORT IT TO, TO US. SO MY WAY OF ENSURING THAT I, THAT I HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE TO SPIN IT. THE WAY I APPROVE IT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE BOTH ON THE SAME LEVEL. WE GOTTA UNDERSTAND IT. AND IT'S NOT BASED ON IF OR IN CASE. 'CAUSE I COULD GO AT THE END OF YEAR, WE SAY ESTIMATED, BUT NOW ONCE YOU CAN RECONCILE THIS, THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, I'M SUPPOSED TO SEE HOW EVERY PENNY WAS SPENT. AND IT AIN'T BASED ON WHAT WE APPROVE, IT'S BASED ON HOW YOU SPEND IT. AND IT'S GONNA BE BASED ON THEM PURCHASE ORDERS AND RECEIPTS AND THOSE THINGS I COULD [01:15:01] GET. SO DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M NOT HERE TO ANSWER, BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT THAT I DON'T GET AND THIS COUNCIL DON'T GET. AND IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, THEN IT'S EASY FOR US TO SAY, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND IT. THIS, THIS YEAR I'M LISTENING TO EVERYTHING YOU ESTIMATE YOU'RE GOING TO GO. BUT ROUND JANUARY OR FEBRUARY BEFORE I LEAVE COUNCIL, I WANT TO, I WANNA SEE THE FINAL ANALYSIS ON WHAT WE SPEND IN EACH CATEGORY. OKAY? THAT'S WHY THESE OTHERS, I SAID IT BEFORE I STARTED THIS. OKAY. HEY, COUNCIL MEMBER DUETTE. THANKS. UM, I'M ON THAT OTHER COMMENT. I, I'D JUST LIKE TO JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH, UH, DEPARTMENTS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS, THIS IS LIKE A JOB DESCRIPTION. IT HAS OTHER, OTHER DUTIES AS A SIGN. YOU MAY HAVE, UM, SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, DELINEATED AND, AND SPECIFIC JOB DUTIES THAT THAT PERSON DOES. BUT IT'S GOING TO STAY, AND THIS IS REFERENCE TO THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S GIVEN AN EXAMPLE WHEREBY IT'S GONNA SAY YOU MAY NOT INCLUDE EVERYTHING IN THAT JOB DESCRIPTION. AND IT SAYS OTHER THINGS AS A SIGN. AND SO IT LEAVES THE ROOM IN THE BUDGET. WHEN YOU SAY AN OTHER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT SPECIFIED, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A CATEGORY THAT IT FITS INTO OUR LINE ITEM. THE TERM HAS IT IS BEEN USED NOT JUST IN CITY OF PORT ARTHUR. IT'S IN ALL CITIES THAT THEY UTILIZE THAT TERM, THE WORD OTHER. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO AVOID A OVER PUTTING MONEY IN IT OR UNDER PUTTING DOLLARS IN THAT. I THINK IT'S JUST BEEN A TERM THAT'S RELATED. UM, WHEN YOU SAY OTHER, IT'S JUST A TERM THAT CITIES HAVE ADOPTED TO PUT INTO THEIR BUDGETS TO DESCRIBE PUTTING DOLLARS THERE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? OH YES. YEAH. OH YES. SO I THINK IT'S NOT THAT, UH, WHERE YOU, IT IS NOT BUILDING MAINTENANCE, FOR INSTANCE. UH, IT WAS 'CAUSE BUILDING MAINTENANCE IS WHAT YOU MAINTAIN OVER IN THE BUILDING. SO IT IS DOLLARS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO COVER AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR. SO WHAT'S IT NAMED? DO YOU SUGGEST THAT VANDALISM NO. A LINE ITEM OR ARE YOU SUGGEST A, YOU KNOW, NO, MAYOR. SO GIVING THEM CLARITY I THINK IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE. WELL, THERE YOU GO. THAT'S ALL I BE, SEE, THAT'S ALL I BE SAYING. I WANT TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE MONEY IS. AND LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT IT IS. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE END, I WANT TO SEE THAT THAT MONEY WAS SPENT IN THESE OTHERS, BUT I WON'T SEE WHAT OTHERS ARE. YOU SEE, THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH SOMETIME WITH, WE ASK THINGS WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS, IT'S BASED ON HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR THINGS. BECAUSE ALL THIS BUDGET WE FINN TO END THIS YEAR, NO ONE UP HERE KNOWS HOW WE ACTUALLY GOING TO END THIS YEAR. BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK ONCE IT'S RECONCILED AROUND JANUARY, FEBRUARY. THEY SUPPOSED TO TELL US HOW THESE DEPARTMENTS FARED WHICH DEPARTMENTS OVERSPENT, WHICH DEPARTMENTS DIDN'T, I THINK AND SAY, SO THAT THE TIME I STICKING TO THE TERM OTHER OH YEAH. WHERE IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE INCLUDED AGAIN IN A LINE ITEM SPECIFICALLY TO THAT AREA. BUT ANYWAY. YEAH. LET'S, WE CAN, WE'LL MOVE ON. THERE'S NO OTHER TERM LISTED FOR BUDGETS ALL OVER. NOT JUST PORT ARTHUR, EVERY CITY THAT'S, UH, HERE OR, OR USE THIS TERM OTHER WHEN THEY CAN'T FIT IT INTO ONE OF THE CATEGORIES. MAIN THING. MAIN THING IS ACCOUNTING FOR MONEY. RIGHT. WE STILL, ALRIGHT. UH, RECREATION PROGRAM. HOLD PAID. OH, I'M SORRY, BECKY. OKAY. YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON RECREATION? YES. RECREATION. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU, UM, ON UNDER THE TERM, OTHERS? IT LOOKS LIKE A SLUSH FUND, BUT WHY CAN'T YOU PUT IT ON THE CONTINGENCY? IS THERE ANY REASON? WELL, THAT WAS A PROBLEM WITH, THAT WAS A PROBLEM HE HAD WITH CONTINGENCY AND OTHER LEAVE. OTHERS. WELL, WE WILL LEAVE IT ALONE. YEAH, I'M LEAVING IT ALONE. LEAVE IT ALONE. OKAY. THEN I NEED, UH, RECREATION PAGE 81 0 3. I GOT IT HERE. 1 0 3. UH, 1 0 3. YES. 1 0 3. HOLD ON. BEFORE YOU HAD A QUESTION, WOULD YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON PARK? YEAH, I'M BEFORE YOU GO UHHUH MAN. UH, MANAGER. UH, DIRECTOR REAL QUICK. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME VANDALISM AND STUFF GOING ON IN OUR PARKS. DID YOU KIND OF, UH, UH, GET WITH THE MANAGER AND FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN GET CAMERAS INSTALLED? UH, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT WITH, YOU KNOW, PROVING THAT IF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE STEALING. UH, I WAS TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT WIRING SCOREBOARD. I MEAN, THIS IS CRAZY WHAT THEY WOULD THINK TO DO. BREAKING INTO CONCESSION STAND. HAVE WE CONSIDERED ABOUT, OR HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ABOUT HAVING CAMERAS ADDED TO THE BUDGET WHERE WE SOME OF THE MAJOR PARKS THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF DETER SOME PEOPLE FROM DOING SOME OF THOSE BAD THINGS? YES, WE HAVE AND WE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF. SAID. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHANDRA. APPRECIATE IT. [01:20:01] THAT'S IT. MM-HMM . OKAY. WE RECREATION, RECREATION, RECREATION 1 0 3 1. I STILL HAVE SOMETHING. OH, I'M SORRY. OH, I'M SO SORRY. I GOTTA LOOK UP. GO AHEAD. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. UM, MS. SHONDA, THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION. I NOTICED THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING UNDER IT EQUIPMENT, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M ASKING FOR THOSE CAMERAS TO BE INCLUDED. IF POSSIBLE. WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD GO UNDER IT EQUIPMENT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LISTED IN NO, IT, IT, IT, OURS DID NOT FALL UNDER IT. IT'LL JUST BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE LOOKING INTO. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL CHOOSES, THEN WE CAN PUT IT THERE. WHAT TYPE OF IT EQUIPMENT DO, DOES THIS PERSON RE NOT USE? ANY IT EQUIPMENT? SO WE DO USE IT EQUIPMENT MAINLY WHEN WE REQUEST IT EQUIPMENT. IT IS MAINLY LIKE OUR COMPUTERS, LAPTOPS, UM, IPADS, SOFTWARE, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHEN WE GO OUT FOR LIKE CAMERA SYSTEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT IS USUALLY UNDER SOMETHING SEPARATE. BUT IT, WE DO INVOLVE IT WITH IT, BUT IT, IT IS USUALLY IT'S SEPARATE. OKAY. OKAY. COUNCILOR MCKINLEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON PARKS? I'M, I'M SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER, FRANK, QUESTIONS ON PARKS? NOT PARKS? OKAY. ALRIGHT. COUNCILOR ETT 1 0 3, UH, 1, 1 0 3. UM, RECREATION PROGRAMS NEAR THE BOTTOM. UH, FISCAL YEAR 23. IT WAS 1 0 3. FISCAL YEAR 24. IT WAS 84. I'LL JUST SAY 85,000. YOU BUDGETED THIS YEAR FOR 1 74. AND YOU'RE ESTIMATING YOU GOING TO SPEND 1 75, BUT YOU ARE ASKING FOR 2 74. OKAY. WHY? BECAUSE WE'RE DOING GREAT THINGS IN PARKS AND RECREATION. OUR PROGRAMMING HAS DOUBLED EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE HAVE TO EXPAND. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO EXPAND AND DO AND PROVIDE FOR THE CITIZENS THAT WE NEED TO DO, WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE MONEY TO DO IT. AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I LIKE THAT. I LIKE WHAT PARK AND RECREATION DOING. I LIKE THAT. AND WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS. THERE YOU GO. AND I'M 150% FOR IT. OKAY. GOOD ANSWER. BUT WHEN WE DO THINGS AND WE DO A BUDGET, WE PLAN, WE SAT DOWN AND WE PLAN WHAT TYPE OF THINGS WE GOING TO DO FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR FOR OUR CITIZENS AND GREAT THINGS FOR OUR CITIZEN. WE PLAN AND WE DO AN ESTIMATED COST OF WHAT IT GONNA COST TO DO ALL OF THESE GREAT THINGS. AND THEN WE PUT IT IN A BUDGET AND THEN WE EXECUTE IT. BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE GOT ALL OF THESE GREAT THINGS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE BUDGET. I MEAN, THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. SO I GUESS MAYBE IT WAS MY MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WITH THE BUDGET, BUT WHEN DOING THE BUDGET, WE SIT THERE AND WE DID PLAN FOR EVERYTHING, FOR EVERY JUNETEENTH FESTIVAL, FOR EVERY FALL FEST, FOR EVERY MOVIE IN THE PARK, FOR EVERY SENIOR PROM, FOR EVERYTHING. WE DIDN'T JUST PULL THIS NUMBER OUT OF A HAT. NOW, I'M NOT SURE OF, I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN WE PROVIDE THE JUSTIFICATION, IF THAT'S THE PART THAT YOU DON'T RECEIVE, BUT FOR EVERYTHING, WE HAVE TO SEND A ITEMIZED LIST BEHIND EVERY EXPENDITURE WE HAVE HERE FOR THE PLAN. SO IT WAS DONE. IF I SEND AN ITEMIZED LIST, I WOULDN'T BE ASKING THE QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND. OH, YOU DO. WELL, THAT'S WHY I DO. BUT I, I COULD ONLY PROVIDE AND I'M NOT WHAT THEY PROVIDED YOU IS WHAT, OKAY, WELL SOMEBODY NEED TO. OKAY. AND, AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN YOU GAVE YOUR SPEAK, I LOVE IT. IT SOUND GREAT AND I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND IT. YOU JUST TOLD ME WHEN I CAME UP WITH 2 7 4, I LISTED EVERYTHING I WANTED TO DO AND I HAD A CAUSE AND I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO SEE. THAT WILL ANSWER MY QUESTION. I'LL GO ON TO MY NEXT QUESTION. OKAY. WELL, IF, UM, FINANCE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU GUYS COULD PREPARE THAT AND GIVE IT TO COUNCILMAN ETT, WHICH, UM, SEAN, OUR DEPARTMENT HAS GIVEN YOU GUYS, WE WOULD'VE, THAT WOULD YES MA'AM. WELL INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE BEGINNING OF THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, WHERE WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OUTLINE WHAT THAT 274 IS FOR AND [01:25:01] INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION IN THERE. OKAY. LIKE I SAID, THINGS THEY DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO OR THEY'RE GONNA WORK ON. I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE 'EM LISTED, SO NEXT TIME WHEN WE DO OUR BUDGET, THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA REFER TO WHAT I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT. YOU ALL SAID YOU'RE GONNA BRING ME SOME ANSWERS. THAT'S, THAT'S IT. OH, COUNCILMAN BECKHAM. YES. THIS ISN'T REALLY A QUESTION FOR, FOR YOU. UM, IT, IT'S MORE OF JUST A, A STATEMENT. I'VE SENT AN EMAIL TO LYNN AND TO OUR CITY MANAGER ABOUT SOME INFORMATION FROM THE GOLF COURSE THAT I DON'T SEE IN THE BUDGET. SO RATHER THAN BELABOR THE POINT TODAY, IF Y'ALL CAN JUST REVIEW THAT EMAIL AND WHEN WE COME BACK FOR OUR NEXT WORKSHOP, UM, THEN I'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS PERTINENT TO THAT EMAIL TO SEE WHERE THOSE THINGS ARE IN THE BUDGET, IF ANYWHERE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNCILOR BECKHAM. OKAY. UH, TURN YOUR MIC ON. CITY MANAGER. YES, IT'S IN THE BUDGET. COUNCILWOMAN BECKHAM. WE HAVE ABOUT $5 MILLION FOR THE PUMPS AND THE LEAVE STATIONS OVER THE UNDERGO COURSE. I, I KNOW THAT PART, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE DETAILED IN THAT EMAIL THAT I SENT YOU THAT I DON'T THINK ARE IN THE BUDGET. YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, I HAD A FEW THINGS ON THE WATER AND SEWER, BUT I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT DISCUSSED, SO I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT. OKAY. OKAY. CAPITAL WATER AND SEWER, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY. ARE YOU OKAY? COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK KEN, WHICH ONE? WATER AND SEWER FOR JUST A FEW MOMENTS. WHAT PAGE? ON PAGE? UH, 1 39. 1 39. TIFF, YOUR HAND IS UP. JUST GIMME A SECOND. OH, OKAY. TAKE NAP. 1 39. LINE ITEM PAGE 1 39. PAGE ONE NINE. 1 39. 1 39. YES. OKAY. WHAT IS, UM, LYNN, WHAT IS CUSTOMER SERVICE? OH, THE 2 MILLION, THE 2,000,150. THAT WHOLE LINE. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT FALLS UNDER CUSTOMER SERVICE? THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE, ON THE UTILITY BILLING SIDE. WHEN YOU, WHEN EVERYONE IS CALLING AND ASKING WHAT, HOW MUCH THEY OWE OR WHY SOMETHING'S GETTING CUT OFF OR WHY THE, THEIR BILLS ARE HIGH. AND THAT IS MANAGED BY MS. RHONDA STANBURY IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION. THAT'S THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT'S THERE. SO WHEN YOU WALK INTO OUR ANNEX AND YOU TRY TO HEAD TO THE CASHIERS, THEY ARE BOTH ON THE LEFT SIDE AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CASHIERS. THOSE ARE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND IT APPEARS FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, THAT IT MAY ALSO INCLUDE THE METERS, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD REFER TO THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR. SO THAT'S THE METERS THAT WE BUY FOR METER BREAKS AND WE REPLACE IT? OR IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? AND ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SALARIES OF THOSE EMPLOYEES? WE ARES TALKING ABOUT THE SALARIES AND WHAT IT TAKES TO MAINTAIN THOSE PARTICULAR, THOSE PARTICULAR MR. MATTHEWS WILL BE ADDRESSING WHAT INCLUDES IN THE CUSTOMER SERVICE. I STEPPED OUT ONE THIS FIRST STARTED, BUT THE METER READERS AND, AND REPAIR TECHS ARE INCLUDED IN CUSTOMER SERVICE. THEY, THAT COMES UNDER, THIS IS UNDER RHONDA, THIS SECTION. AND SO THAT'S THEIR SALARIES. OH, WE'RE AT THE REGULAR EARNINGS WAS THE QUESTION. I WASN'T IN THE ROOM WHEN THE FIRST QUESTION, UH, IT'S EXPENSES AND OTHER USE. IT SAYS CUSTOMER SERVICE CUSTOMER, UH, 2 MILLION. SO IT'S ON PAGE 142. THE DETAILS, THE ITEMS UNDER CUSTOMER SERVICE 1 42. MINE DOESN'T HAVE PAGE NUMBERS. YES, SIR. PAGE WHERE WE LOOKING? MM-HMM . THE TWO, THE 2, 4 89 IS THE PROPOSED TOTAL EXPENDITURES FOR THAT DIVISION, WHICH IS THE, THE METER READERS, TEX GADDAFI, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE, AND EVERYONE THAT REPORTS UNDER RHONDA, IT'S THE OPERATIONAL COST FOR THE DIVISION OPERATION. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. CUSTOMER SERVICE. OH, SO IT'S THE OPERATIONAL COST? YES, SIR. THAT WOULD BE SALARIES AND BENEFITS, SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS, MAINTENANCE, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE ON 1 42, IT GIVES YOU THE COMPLETE 2.4 MILLION FOR THAT ENTIRE BUDGET. SO THAT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S FOR OFFICE SUPPLIES, EVERYTHING. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE, BUT THAT'S THE [01:30:01] CUSTOMER SERVICE BUDGET? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S FOR THAT DIVISION IS 2 MILLION? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I HAVE BEEN TRACKING, UH, I'VE BEEN TRACKING BECAUSE I HAD CONCERNS. I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT IT AS WELL ABOUT THE OVERTIME IN THE, IN THE WATER DE IN THE WATER FUND, UH, AS WELL, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LINE ITEM FOR OVERTIME THERE IN THAT, FOR CUSTOM OR SERVICE OR NO, NO. IN THE WATER AND SEWER FUND. THE, THE WATER AND SEWER FUND IS DIVIDED INTO DIVISIONS. EACH DIVISION IS A SEPARATE PAGE. OKAY. SO, AND I'M SORRY, I I BROUGHT THE WRONG, I PRINTED THE WRONG ONE. I DON'T HAVE THE LATEST ONE. UH, SO MY NUMBERS DON'T MATCH YOURS. EXACTLY. OH, OKAY. SO ON PAGE 1 44 ON, ON PAGE 1 44, WE'RE SHOWING THE OVERTIME. OKAY. SO ARE WE PUTTING, ARE WE, I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF LEAKS ON LAST YEAR AND WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HIRING INDIVIDUALS, MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE, AND I KNEW THAT WE HAD A DIFFICULTY AS WELL WITH INDIVIDUALS WITH CERTIFICATION HAVING TO, WE, WE STILL, SO THE, THE, I THINK THE MAIN OVERTIME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WATER DISTRIBUTION AND CONVEYANCE, WHICH IS THE SEWER TEAMS. YES. AND WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED IN, IN RECENT MONTHS, WE'RE LOOKING AT WORK ORDERS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING WORK. WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THE TIME CLOCKS ARE RIGHT. WE HAVE, WE'RE, LOOK, WE HAVE A INDIVIDUAL THAT'S GOING THROUGH ALL THE TIME AND WE'RE QUESTIONING IT. WE'VE ALSO BROUGHT IN A, UH, A NEW, UH, ACTUALLY ASSISTANT MANAGER THAT'S, UH, OVER THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. HE'S NEW BLOOD HERE, SO THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T, HE'S NOT KIN TO ANYBODY HERE. NOTHING. I MEAN, IT, IT'S, WE'RE IMPLEMENTING RULES. I I, TO BE HONEST. AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S GETTING BETTER. AND, UH, BUT WE, WE RUN 24 HOURS A DAY. SO THERE IS OVERTIME AND WE HAVE TO RESPOND AND REPAIR. WELL, I'M NOT QUESTIONING CREDIBILITY. I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT TRYING TO, MAKING SURE. MAKE SURE WE CAN JUSTIFY. THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO SHOW THAT IF YOU, WE PAY OVERTIME, WE'RE GETTING PRODUCTION FOR IT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT HAS BECOME A NEW, A VERY STRONG EMPHASIS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE ON WATER? YEAH. UTILITIES. OKAY. UH, IS THERE COUNCIL LEWIS. OH, OKAY. COUNCILMAN LEWIS. I CALLED ON HIM FIRST. I'LL GET YOU LOOK. SHE CAN GO AHEAD ON IF, UH, NO, GO AHEAD. OKAY. LOOK, WHAT ABOUT TREATED WATER LOSSES? ARE THEY COMING DOWN? WE, WE WERE, UH, I, I'VE GOT JEFF HERE. I CAN GET YOU THE RIGHT DATES, BUT WE WERE UP AROUND 24 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. AND THE, UH, DURING ALL THE COLD WEATHER IS WHEN WE REALLY FOUND, AFTER THAT WE, WE, WE WENT UP AND WE, WE'VE MADE A CONCENTRATED EFFORT TO LOOK AND WE FOUND SEVERAL AREAS IN THE, UH, WHAT'S THE OFFICIAL WORD? IT'S NOT SWAMP, IT'S IN THE MARSH. RIGHT. IT'S A BEAM PASS WHERE, UH, SOME LARGE PIPES HAD PULLED APART WHERE THEY GO FROM H SO THEY'RE BOARD IN REAL DEEP. THEY COME UP AND THEN THEY SWITCH TO PVC. UH, AND THEY HAD PULLED THE JOINTS APART. SO, SO WE'VE GOT IT DOWN, I BELIEVE TO 19, 18 19, JEFF. YEAH. SO NOW WE'RE RUNNING ABOUT 18, 19 A DAY, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE CHENE WANTS TO BUY A WHOLE BUNCH OF WATER COMING UP IN A FEW MONTHS AND WE NOW HAVE IT TO SELL 'EM. RIGHT. SO, UH, THE, WE'VE GONE DOWN. WE STILL HAVE LEAKS. I MEAN, THERE'S A FEW THAT WE CAN'T FIND THAT WE KNOW, WE KNOW THEY'RE LEAKING IN THIS AREA 'CAUSE WE SEE 'EM IN THE STORM WATER, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND 'EM. BUT WE'RE LOOKING ONE OF THE, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE METER THING 'CAUSE IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S IN REVIEW. BUT YEAH, THERE'S THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WILL HELP US FIND IT. RIGHT. YOU HAVE CERTAIN WATER LINES UNDER THE CANALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YOU HAVE SPECIAL TESTS THAT YOU RUN THAT TELLS YOU YOU'VE GOT A LEAK THERE. WE JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THE WATER USAGE ON EACH SIDE. THERE ARE SOME SYSTEMS TO PUT IN THAT WE WANT TO PUT IN THAT MEASURES, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY MEASURES THE WATER GOING INTO SOME OF THESE LINES AND, AND ON LONG TRANSMISSION LINES. SO THAT'S IN THE PLANS. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE? THIS HAPPENED IN SABINE PASSED, UH, THAT WAS A WATER PROBLEM OF LEAKING IN A CERTAIN AREA AND THE CITY SAID IT WAS NOT THEIRS. AND, UH, MATTER OF FACT, UH, THAT WAS IN SABINE PASS. AND THE PERSON THAT REPORTED IT, UH, COULDN'T, THEY DIDN'T, [01:35:01] IT WAS NOT THEIRS. AND, AND THEY TOLD ME THE CITY WAS NOT, WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE. STAFF WENT OUT THERE. NOW WATCH WHAT HAPPENED WHEN I GOT BOTH INFORMATION FROM BOTH PARTIES AND I TOLD ONE BACK TO THAT CUSTOMER. I SAID, GET ME A SAMPLE OF THAT WATER AND TAKE IT AND HAVE IT TESTED FOR CHLORINE. MM-HMM . IT WAS THE CITIES THEY TESTED, FOUND CHLORINE. ALL I'M SAYING IS WHEN YOU SEE STANDING WATER IN THESE PLACES, WE, WE HAVE, OUR CREWS HAVE CHLORINE SPACE TO F**K THE SWIMMING POOL DETECTOR TO CHECK IT. SO YES, WE DO CHECK, UH, WHY THEY WEREN'T DOING IT THERE. BUT I MEAN, TESTING FOR CHLORINE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ON YOUR SIDE OF THE METER OR THEIR SIDE. SO YEAH, I MEAN IT, THAT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ESTABLISHED WATER. BUT HE DOES TELL YOU WATER, THAT WAS A WATER LEAK THAT THE CITY WAS, IT WAS A CITY WAS DEALING, IT'S COMING FROM IT WAS CITY WATER. YEAH. CITY WATER. IT WAS CITY WATER WHEN THEY TESTED IT WITH THE CHLORINE THAT ESTABLISHED. NOW, ONCE YOU GO IN THERE AND START EXCAVATING AND RECONSTRUCTING, YOU'LL FIND OUT IS THE INPUT OR OUTPUT. THAT'S NOT A WE, I I'VE BEEN WITH 'EM WHEN THEY DO THAT, SIR. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WE, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LUNCH BREAK AND THEN COME BACK 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW. BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA BREAK. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HAMILTON EVER FEEL, I'M SORRY IF YOU GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION, AND AFTER THAT WE'RE GONNA RECESS FOR AN HOUR AND THEN COME BACK TO THE WORKSHOP. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. UM, FOR TREATMENT CHEMICALS, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR. I DIDN'T, I ONLY SAW 2000 UNDER WATER DISTRIBUTION AND NOTHING UNDER WATER CONVEYANCE. BUT IS THAT BECAUSE WATER TREATMENT IS JUST INDIVIDUAL ON, ITS UNDER THE WATER TREATMENT SECTION. THAT'S WHERE OUR TREATMENT CHEMICALS WOULD ALL BE LISTED. UH, MOST OF THE CHEMICALS ARE THERE. I MEAN, IN THE CON IN THE CONVEYANCE SECTION, WE BUY BASICALLY POWDERED SWIMMING POOL, CHLORINE AND CHLORINE TABLETS. SO WHEN WE HAVE, CAN YOU TALKING TO THE MIC? I'M SORRY. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT HER. I KNOW, RIGHT. I'M, I'M UNDERSTAND YOU TAKE, YOU CAN TAKE THE MIC WITH YOU, BUT I'LL LOOK AT YOU. THAT'S OKAY. IN THE CONVEYANCE SECTION, WE BUY POWDERED CHLORINE AND, UH, TABLET CHLORINE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN OVER A SPILL OR SEW SPILL, WE HAVE TO CHLORINATE IT. AND, UH, THE WATER DISTRIBUTION GENERALLY DOESN'T USE A LOT OF CHEMICALS. OKAY. UH, SO THE, AND THEN THE MAIN CHEMICALS ARE IN THE TREATMENT PLANT AND THE WASTEWATER PLANT. OKAY. UM, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE EDUCATION AND THE, THE TESTING AND TUTORING THAT WE WOULD WANT SOME OF THE STAFF TO HAVE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE SOME OF THE LICENSES. AND I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF MONEY UNDER, UM, THE EDUCATION PIECE. IS THAT INCLUDED? DON'T WE HAVE TO PAY THE TUTORS TO HELP OUR PEOPLE? THEY GO THROUGH, UH, CLASSES. UH, I, I'M GONNA REFER TO JEFF 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE COMPANY THAT, WHO DO WE GET THE CLASS? JEFF IS OUR WATER PLANT SUPERINTENDENT. AND, UH, THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER FOR THE EMPLOYEE, YES, WE PAY FOR IT. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND THE MONEY THAT'S IN THERE IS, IS PLENTY FOR US TO, UH, TRAIN THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TRAIN. UH, GOOD NEWS, WE JUST HAD AN INDIVIDUAL WHO PASSED THEIR, UH, THE MINIMUM, UH, LICENSE REQUIREMENTS TO BE ABLE TO TREAT. SO WE HAVE A NEW OPERATOR ON THE WAY, SO, UH, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO BEING FLUSH. UH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S PLENTY OF, UH, MONEY TO DO ALL OF OUR, TO MEET ALL OF OUR TRAINING NEEDS. THANK YOU, JEFF. OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR HELPING THAT GUY GET HIS LICENSE. MM-HMM . AWESOME. AWESOME. THANK YOU. OH, AND THEN FOR, UM, TEMPORARY SERVICES, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LISTED UNDER TEMPORARY SERVICES. WILL WE NOT LEAVE? WE WE HAVE TEMPORARY SERVICES ASSESSMENT? OR IS IT, OR IS IT JUST UNDERWATER TREATMENT THAT I SEE? TEMPORARY SERVICES? I DON'T, WE, WE HAVE SOME IN WASTEWATER DISTRIBUTION, ACTUALLY. TEMPORARY SERVICES IN WASTEWATER CONVEYANCE TEMPORARY SERVICES. WE HAVE 422,000 AND WASTEWATER DISTRIBUTION. THERE'S NOT ANY, SO AT THE MOMENT, I GUESS WE'RE NOT USING IT IN CONVEYANCE. I KNOW WE HAVE IT IN CONVEYANCE. THE, UH, AND THEN AT THE PLANTS WE HAVE SOME FOR THE, THE PLANTS. SO IT'S, IT IS BY DIVISION AND, AND WHAT THEY USE, WHAT THEY, OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL RECESS FROM 1 34. WE'LL RECONVENE AT, UM, 2 34. SEE YOU IN AN HOUR. THANK YOU. OKAY. CITY SECRETARY, [01:40:01] CAN YOU ESTABLISH A QUORUM FOR ME, PLEASE? WE'LL HAVE A QUORUM. YES. MAYOR MOSES. HERE. MAYOR PRO. TIM ETT. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HAMILTON. EVER FIELD COUNCIL MEMBER BECKHAM. COUNCIL MEMBER KEN LAW. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK? HERE. MAYOR, WE HAVE A CALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WE ARE BACK IN FROM OUR RECESS. UM, COUNCILOR, I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IF ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, I THINK THEY, UM, HEALTH DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE. I, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WILL YOU PUT YOUR LIGHTS ON AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, WE CAN, UH, ALLOW HER TO BE DISMISSED. OKAY. NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. OKAY. YOU CAN BE DIS I DO, I DO. I DO. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER EVER FAIL? YES MA'AM. MY REQUEST FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS TO GET, UM, ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE PROVIDING FOR MORE, UM, RESIDENTS OTHER THAN JUST FOR THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR. I MENTIONED THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE, BUT I WANTED US TO ACTUALLY ACCOUNT, UM, OR AT LEAST GET A CLARIFICATION ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE SPENDING TO SUPPORT THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT CITY OF PORT ARTHUR RESIDENTS. BEING THAT WE'RE THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY SUPPORTING THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PAGE. OKAY. LET ME SEE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PARTICULAR LINE ITEMS, UM, IN THE BUDGET OR ARE YOU ASKING FOR LET WE UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, COUNSEL, RAISE THAT LINE. UH, MY NAME IS ERICA FLORES. I'M THE HEALTH ADMIN COORDINATOR FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. SO, UM, MAYBE MS. UH, EVER FIELD IS, UM, PERTAINING TO MAYBE NURSE FAMILY PARTNERSHIP? UH, I KNOW THEY SERVE SEVERAL COUNTIES. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I MEANT TO. YES, MA'AM. YES. OKAY. SO YES, SO THEY DO COVER FOUR COUNTIES, UH, WHICH IS HARDIN CHAMBERS, UH, JEFFERSON, ORANGE. AND CURRENTLY THE CITY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT PUTS IN ANY CASH MATCH TOWARDS THOSE, UH, WELL TOWARDS THE PROGRAM ITSELF. UM, DUE TO SOME OF THE GUIDELINES ON THE CONTRACTS, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LOBBY, UH, TO GET ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, CASH MATCH FROM ANY OTHER COUNTIES. I KNOW THAT OVER THE YEARS THEY HAVE KIND OF NETWORKED, OH, I'M SORRY. THEY HAVE NETWORKED WITH OTHER COUNTIES, UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME ASSISTANCE. BUT NOBODY HAS REALLY COME FORWARD, YOU KNOW, UM, ON THAT ASPECT. UM, COUNCILMAN EVER FIELD, DID YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR HER RESPONSE? YES. YES MA'AM, I DID. SO, CITY MANAGER, I'M ASKING IF THE REQUEST I PREVIOUSLY MADE IN, UM, EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION, UM, BROUGHT THIS ISSUE TO STAFF'S ATTENTION. ARE WE INCREASING ANY SUPPORT FROM THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT NURSE FAMILY PARTNERSHIPS? NOW WE CAN LOBBY ON THEIR BEHALF, BUT THEY CAN'T, BUT IN THE END, OTHER CITIES STILL CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE. WE STILL HAVE A COMMITMENT. ERICA, LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY, WHAT? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. UH, WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE OKAY. WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT? YES. AND GOING AFTER SOME, OKAY. ALRIGHT. THEY'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL LEWIS, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT? NO. I JUST, WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUDGET LATER ON, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S WHAT, NO, THIS IS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. YEAH. WHAT PAGE? WHERE, WHERE ARE WE? WHAT PAGE? NO, SHE WAS JUST ASKING, UH, UM, TO ADD SOME DOLLARS INTO COUNCIL MEMBER EVERFI DOLLARS INTO THE FAMILY. UM, WELL IT WAS JUST A SIDEBAR. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I HAVE, I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT. YOU HAD A COMMENT ON HEALTH DEPARTMENT? YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE MISTAKEN WE DO SERVE THE SURROUNDING CITIES AND STUFF. RIGHT. BUT, UH, WE RECEIVE, WE RECEIVE STATE GRANT FUNDING AND, AND GRANT, THAT'S WHY WE RECEIVE THOSE GRANTING FUNDING BECAUSE WE DO THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW? YES. SO WHATEVER WE DO OUTSIDE OF PORT ARTHUR, WE COMPENSATE FOR IT. YOU KNOW? SO, UH, IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT, LIKE WHAT, UH, COUNCILWOMAN [01:45:01] AIRFIELD IS SAYING, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST HAVE TO GO TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MM-HMM . AND SEE CAN THEY INCORPORATE THAT, WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GIVE US FUNDS TO COVER THOSE OTHERS CITIES BECAUSE WE WE'RE NOT GONNA USE OUR FUNDS FOR IT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. I THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU ARE DISMISSED. THANK YOU. UM, AT THIS TIME, UM, ANY COUNSELORS, I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DOUCETTE WANTS TO CONTINUE, UM, WITH THIS QUESTIONS IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. PLEASURE. ITEM 1, 6, 7, BABE? 1, 1 67. 1 6 7. YEAH. 1 67. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY, GEORGE? YES, SIR. UH, LET'S GO TO THE LAND SALE ON YOUR, UH, THING BECAUSE, UH, YOUR BUDGET FOR, UH, NEXT YEAR IS BASED ON YOUR REVENUE AND YOU HAVE LAND SALE IN FISCAL YEAR 23. YOU GOT ABOUT $20,000. UH, 24. WE'VE DONE REAL WELL. WE HAD ABOUT 220,000 THAT WE RECEIVED. IN FACT, 224,000 JUST ROUND UP THAT WE RECEIVED FOR SALE OF LAND, UH, FOR THIS YEAR. THIS, THIS CURRENT YEAR. YOU HAD ESTIMATED THAT'S IN THIS LAST YEAR'S, BUT, WELL, THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, YOU, YOU SAID, WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE ARE PROJECTING WE RECEIVE IN LAND SALE. A MILLION. 1 MILLION. I MEAN, I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. IT'S LATE. WOW. I APOLOGIZE. 1 MILLION GEORGE. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND, UH, WE ASKED, UH, WE ESTIMATING, RIGHT? UH, 1 MILLION, BUT WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T PUT ANY MONEY IN IN THERE. WE DIDN'T PROJECT ANY INCOME, SO WE SAID, WAIT, THAT CATCH MY ATTENTION BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PROJECT TO SELL, UH, GET MONEY FOR LAND, BUT, UH, WE GOT A MILLION, SO THAT WAS GOOD. BUT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR REALLY 5 MILLION, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SAY 5 MILLION. WE GONNA SELL $5 MILLION OF LAND. YEAH. I THOUGHT YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. YEAH, I, YEAH. NO, WE MAYOR, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A TOPIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU MAYOR PRO TOWN THE TOPIC. IT WAS SABINE NA NAVIGATION DISTRICT. OKAY. I KNOW THEY'RE DOING THINGS. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WHEN WE'RE DOING A BUDGET, WE'RE DOING A BUDGET BASED ON PRETTY MUCH THING, YOU KNOW, NOT BASED ON CONTRACTS OR WHAT WE MAY HAVE. OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT, I'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT. BUT, UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT REALLY STRUCK MY ATTENTION BECAUSE THIS IS HUGE. IT'S HUGE. OKAY. AND, UM, OKAY. MINISTRY, WHAT WAS IT? UH, ADMINISTRATION PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CHARGE. UH, FISCAL YEAR 23, YOU HAD ABOUT 15,000. AND, UH, IN 24 YOU HAD ABOUT 40,000. UH, YOU ASKED, YOU BUDGETED FOR 2250 AMENDED AND YOU ESTIMATING THAT WE ARE GONNA SPEND 277,000 AND YOU'RE GONNA PROPOSE, UH, 300,000 FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE. WHAT TYPE OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICE? SO WE'RE GONNA INCREASE THAT, THAT AMOUNT, THAT MUCH. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HAVING THIS YEAR? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE ISLAND MASTER PLAN FOR THE ISLAND. YES SIR. OKAY, THEN [01:50:04] THAT'S IT, GEORGE. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT. OH, NO. NO OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY ON THAT ONE. OH, PLEASURE. OKAY. NO, DON'T, PLEASURE HONOR. WOULD LIKE I OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. EVER FEEL? THANK YOU MAYOR. HI GEORGE. HELLO. FOR, UM, THIS IS REGARDING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR POTENTIAL ISLAND UNDER THIS SECTION THAT IT MAKES. YES. THIS SECTION THAT HAS ABOUT 4.3 MILLION THAT'S PROJECTED, I UNDERSTAND THAT APPROXIMATELY 2 MILLION WOULD BE FOR OUR VISITOR CENTER. WE ARE WE HOLDING AT THE, UM, I MEAN INCLUDING AS A PLACEHOLDER, THE 1.5 MILLION FOR THE BOAT RAMP, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD RECEIVE, UM, A 75% REIMBURSEMENT. UM, IT STILL OUT OF POCKET MONEY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, TO PUT OUT FOR THE BOAT RAMP. WHAT ELSE IS INCLUDED IN THAT 4.3 FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT? NO, THAT'S CORRECT. IT IS THE, UH, THE PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT AS WELL. LIKE YOU SAID, THE, UM, VISITOR CENTER, BUT WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION YET FOR THE PHOTO OPS OF SOME OF THAT MONEY IS IN THERE AS WELL. OKAY. SO IT IS, I AM STILL ALMOST A MILLION OFF. IF IT'S 4.3, I'M AT 3.5. SO YOU STILL HAVE, OR MAYBE IT'S THE, UM, 4 MILLION. YOU HAVE A CLUBHOUSE IN THERE? YES. CLUBHOUSE. THE RENOVATION OF THE CLUBHOUSE. I'M SORRY, I KIND OF BROKE UP. DID YOU SAY THE, THE RENOVATION FOR THE THE REAL? YEAH, THE RENOVATION FOR THE CLUBHOUSE. GOTCHA. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I READ TALKED ABOUT, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER DOUCETTE. YEAH. YOU SAID THE CLUBHOUSE. UH, WHAT, WHAT WE GONNA DO AT THE CLUBHOUSE? YOU KNOW, THIS CLUBHOUSE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH SINCE 2018, AND I KNOW AT THAT TIME WE ACTUALLY, UH, APPROVED MONIES FOR IT. THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT I CAME BACK ON IN 23 AND IT WAS BEING NOW ADDRESSED AGAIN. THE MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BEEN THERE. OKAY. BUT NOW WE GO FROM THERE TO WANTING TO INVEST A MILLION AND SOMETHING INTO IT. CORRECT. OKAY. WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO THAT WE GOTTA PUT SO MUCH MONEY INTO THAT BUILDING AT THIS POINT. I, I SEE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. FURNITURE. OKAY. OH, REMEMBER, I, I BROUGHT IT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO THE COUNCIL AND Y'ALL HAD YES, SIR. AND, UH, Y'ALL HAD TWO OPTIONS AND, AND Y'ALL SELECTED WHICH OPTION Y'ALL WANTED. OKAY. DID OKAY. THIS WAS THAT PARKING LOT INCLUDED IN YES, SIR. 'CAUSE THERE YOU GO. WAIT, WAIT. SEE, OKAY THEN YEAH, WE TRACKING DIFFERENT, 'CAUSE SEE, I'M HEARING THE, THE CLUBHOUSE, BUT I, BUT I KNOW CLUBHOUSE PROJECT. ALL RIGHT, THERE YOU GO. SO THE MAJOR EXPENDITURE IS FOR THE PARKING LOT. REMEMBER IT WAS EDD, NOT COMPLIABLE, NO EXPLANATION. NEITHER ALL BUT WHAT I WAS HEARING WAS THE CLUBHOUSE. GOTCHA. THE CLUBHOUSE, INCLUDING THE PARKING LOT. ALRIGHT. NO QUESTIONS. OKAY, GUYS TO COME IN. COMPLIANCE. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. BIG DIFFERENCE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GEORGE. OKAY. I SAW HIS LIGHT WAS STILL ON. HE HAD SOMETHING ELSE COUNSELOR JUST SAID. OKAY. GIMME WHAT MY QUESTION. OKAY. HE'S GONNA, OH, HE'S DONE WITH, UH, THANK YOU GEORGE. WE'RE DONE. UM, WILLIAM, COUNCIL MEMBER DISETTE, CDBG HAVE THE MITIGATION UP. OKAY. PAGE 1 99, LYNN. OKAY. 1 99 AND IT HAZARD MITIGATION SPECIAL FUND. YES, SIR. WHAT IS ADMINISTRATIVE COST? I MEAN, WE PUT MONEY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. UH, THAT WOULD BE FOR OUR, LIKE OUR DURA AND TRAILER CONTRACTS, OUR CONSULTANTS TO IMPLEMENT THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS THAT WERE DONE AHEAD OF TIME. AND SO THESE WERE PART OF THAT. I I I, I THOUGHT WHEN WE, UM, RECEIVED FUNDING, [01:55:02] WHEN WE RECEIVE GRANTS WITHIN GRANTS, WE ARE ALLOWED ADMINISTRATIVE FUNDS. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THAT'S OUT OF THE GRANT. THE GRANT ITSELF. THAT IS CORRECT. SO IF WE HIRE ANYBODY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH DOING WORK WITH THE GRANTS, THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY PAY THAT ADMINISTRATIVE COST FROM THE GRANT. THAT IS CORRECT. WHICH IS WHY THE FEDERAL GRANT REVENUE IS 22,000,400. THAT 400 IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR THE CONTRACT FROM OUR DURA THAT THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. AND JUST A REMINDER THAT THESE ARE OUR DRAINAGE PROJECTS FOR STONEGATE, ELVIS, AND PORT PIERCE. I KNOW WHAT OUR, UH, THESE, THESE, UH, MAJOR PROJECTS WERE. I JUST THOUGHT THAT, UH, WHATEVER WE PAID FOR ADMINISTRATION CAME OUT AND IT'S WITH THE PROJECT. THAT IS CORRECT. LET'S TALK AT, LET'S TALK ONE SO WE GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. THE VESTER PROJECT. YES, SIR. WHATEVER OUR ADMINISTRATIVE CALLS IN THERE, THAT'S, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE COST THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT. THAT IS CORRECT. SO IF THAT CAUSE IS IN THAT ONE, HOW DO WE GET THE ADMINISTRATIVE CALLS OTHER THAN THAT? THAT IS THAT ACTUALLY, BUT YOU'RE TAKING IT OUT OF THE GRANT? YES, SIR. IT'S PART OF THE GRANT COSTS. THAT'S WHY THE FEDERAL OKAY. THEN YES, THERE'S A LINE ITEM IN THE GRANT SPECIFIC TO ADMINISTRATION THAT ALLOWS THIS. OKAY. FROM CONSTRUCTION. APART FROM CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. UH, UH, WAIT. COUNCILOR LEWIS SAID YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON SOME ON THAT? YES. OKAY. ONLY WHEN GRANTS ARE MADE AVAILABLE. SAID THIS PARTICULAR GRANT'S TALKING ABOUT IS A CA IS WHEN IT'S ALLOCATED, IS THE, UH, IS IT DRAW DOWN BASED ON RECEIPTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU? OR IS IT JUST CASH? NO, SIR. IT'S NOT CASH. WE HAVE TO EXPEND IT FIRST, PROVIDE PROOF THAT WE'VE PAID IT, PROVIDE THAT THE CHECK OR THE EFT HAS GONE THROUGH AND THEN WE CAN SUBMIT IT FOR REIMBURSEMENT AT THAT TIME. AND THAT IS THE JOB OF THE CONSULTANT TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THOSE ARE IN ORDER FOR REIMBURSEMENT. SO BASICALLY WE PAY FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN WE'LL REIMBURSE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER DISETTE 2 0 3. UH, CON CONTRACTOR SERVICE. YES. 2 0 3 CONTRACTOR SERVICES. THE, UH, LANDFILL CONSTRUCTION. I JUST NEED TO GET A CLARIFICATION. I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND THIS ONE REAL WELL. IN, UH, 2000 AND IN PHYSICAL YEAR 24, WE, UH, ACTUALLY SPENT 324,324,000. AND, UM, WE ARE PROJECTING 500, 5,000, MAYBE 506,000 FOR, FOR THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, LYNN? YES SIR. NO, IT'S, IT'S 505. I GOT THAT ONE. RIGHT. 506,000 AND I'M ROUND IT UP. 500, 5,000. UH, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW, HOW IS THAT WORKING THEN IF, IF WE'D DONE 300 AND IF WE SPENT 324,000 IN 24, NOW THIS YEAR WE GOT 506,000. I'M GONNA ROUND UP FOR THIS YEAR WHERE WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR IT, DID WE? THE COUNCIL HAD APPROVED ALL OF THE EXPENDITURE VERY SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT IS GOING TO GO INTO ARPA. AND YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT. COUNCIL MEMBER DOUCETTE ON PAGE 22, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OUTLINE WHAT EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE AND WHAT THEY HAVE LEFT BASED ON YOUR APPROVAL. THAT HAPPENED IN DECEMBER OF 2024. SO YOU MAKE A REALLY GOOD POINT. THIS WHAT I HAVE HERE. I MAY NEED TO TIGHTEN THE NUMBERS TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT IT. OKAY. YES. THE ARPA PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED WERE EITHER UNENCUMBERED OR THEY WERE BUDGET ACTUALS WITH A, WITH A CARRYOVER ENCUMBRANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE REAPPROPRIATED BY THE COUNCIL O. OKAY. THEN WE NOT, UH, THAT'S A QUESTION AND I THINK, I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION THEN. AND I THINK WE BOTH UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO DO THAT A LITTLE, GO BACK AND DO SOMETHING [02:00:01] ON THAT, BECAUSE I COULD'VE PICKED IT UP BETTER THAN THAT. YES, SIR. AND I MARKED IT ON THIS PAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS INCLUDED. OKAY. YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT ON THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON. THAT CLARIFIED MY QUESTION. IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA MOVE. OKAY. OKAY. UH, THE NEXT ONE I HAVE IS, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO GOLF COURSE. I, IT GOT CERTAIN CIRCLE, BUT I REALLY DON'T, I DON'T, IT'S FUND BALANCE. I, I KIND OF LOOKED AT THE FUND BALANCE WE HAVE FOR THAT. UH, I'M SORRY, TWO 10 H TWO 10. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE, WE ACTUALLY SENT MONEY. WE ACTUALLY TOOK MONEY FROM THE FUND, FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND THAT WAS 50,000. AND, UH, WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FUND BALANCE FOR THEM OF 94,000. OKAY. SO HOW, HOW IS THAT, WHY, WHY ARE WE PUTTING MONEY IN THE GOLF COURSE? AND THEY GOT A FUND BALANCE AT THE TIME THAT I DID THE 24 25 I, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD. AND THEN AFTER, AFTER THAT, I FOUND THAT THERE WASN'T VERY MUCH OF A FUND BALANCE. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING RIGHT HERE. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF THERE IS ANY FUND BALANCE, BASED ON ALSO YOUR FEEDBACK, THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE BE ANYTHING. IT'S JUST GONNA BE FUND BALANCE. AND IF THEY'VE GOT IT, GREAT, BUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY HAVE. SO I'VE NOT INCLUDED THIS AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT. WE JUST WANT TO SPEND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING AND NOT DIP INTO THAT FUND BALANCE SHOULD THEY HAVE IT AT THE END. OKAY. WE BOTH UNDERSTAND THAT ONE. THAT'S GOOD. I'M GONNA MOVE ON IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. NO ONE, I HAVE NO LIGHTS. UH, TRANSIT. ERIC FOUND IT. OH, CAPTAIN IMPROVEMENT? NO. GETTING CLOSE NOW. UH, PAGE 2, 2 37. UH, EQUIPMENT AND SERVICES SUMMARY. THE SECOND ONE, LYNN, I JUST NEED YOU TO HELP ME TO, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS TO BE READ. BECAUSE WHEN I GO TO EQUIPMENT AND SERVICES AND I GO TO PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE OF HO MILL DRIVEWAY RECONSTRUCTION AND SEE, WE BUDGETED 18, I MEAN 817,000. I'M ROUNDING EVERYTHING OFF. 817,000, UH, FOR THIS YEAR. AND THEN THROUGH THIS YEAR IT WAS 700, UM, 2 32, 2 37 2 3 37 2 30. MM-HMM. OKAY. 2, 3, 7. AND SO, UH, THROUGH HERE, UH, WE, WE ARE PROJECTING THAT WE GONNA SPEND UH, 717 OF 1816. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND YOU'RE REQUESTING 6 34? THAT IS CORRECT. 6 34. BUT THIS FOUR YEAR, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THAT ONE. LET'S SEE. DEVELOPMENT OF SERVICE. PAM, PAM ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. OKAY. PUBLIC WORKS. OKAY. PARK AND RECREATION. PARK AND RECREATION ON PAGE 2 39. I THINK THIS IS MORE SO OF AN UNDERSTANDING THAN A, SO I COULD READ IT. UH, WE, WE ADOPTED 2 MILLION, UH, FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND UH, WE ARE REQUESTING 2 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR. [02:05:02] IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT SIR. OKAY. SO WHAT I'LL DO WITH THAT ONE, I'LL WAIT BECAUSE UH, WHEN I GET THAT LIST OF ALL THINGS THAT SHE SAID THAT SHE HAD, THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO THEN, UH, LOOK AT THE MONEY. OKAY. UM, THE POLICE, NOTHING, I CAN KIND OF ANSWER IT NOW 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING BY THE MASTER PLAN. THAT'S THE LIST ON FOR THE, UM, THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS, THE ADOPTED MASTER PLAN THAT WE ADOPTED. WE REMEMBER WE'RE GOING BY THE LIST OF THOSE THAT WERE IN, UH, POOR CONDITION TO MEDIOCRE CONDITIONS. SO IT'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE STILL, WE'VE ADDRESSED ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN POOR CONDITION. SO NOW WE'RE MOVING ON A THE MEDIOCRE. SO WE'RE GOING ACCORDING TO THE PLAN THAT YOU ALL ADOPTED. YEAH, BUT THE OKAY. BUT THE PLAN, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING BUDGETS, WE KNOW WHAT WE FUNDED OF THAT PLAN. WE KNOW THE MASTER PLAN. RIGHT. THAT'S THE TIME. I SAID SAME WAY WITH THE OTHER THING. YOU SAID YOU HAD A LIST. I WANNA SEE THE LIST OF WHAT I'M GONNA PROVE THIS YEAR. YOU KNOW? OKAY. LET, OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID I WANT TO, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE ONCE I APPROVE THE BUDGET MM-HMM . THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SEE THAT FUNDING ACCOUNT NUMBER IS FOR WHAT WE APPROVED. OKAY. YES, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU JUST GET ME A LIST AND EVERYTHING AND THEN IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I COULD BRING IT BACK BEFORE IT'S APPROVED AT OUR NEXT MEETING I'LL, I'LL BRING IT BACK. SO IF YOU GIVE ME THE INFORMATION BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, THEN I'LL KNOW WHETHER IT IS, IT IS AN ISSUE THAT I SHOULD BRING BACK AND ADDRESS WITH THE COUNSEL OR WHETHER MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. OKAY? OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. PARK AND RECREATION AGAIN, THIS IS ON PAGE 2 42. PARK AND RECREATION. COME ON, GET SOME EXERCISE. JOHN JUST FINISHED LUNCH AND STUFF. DIDN'T WALK AROUND THE BUILDING OR AROUND THE PARK LIKE YOU NORMALLY DO. I'M GONNA HELP YOU TODAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MY FAVORITE EMPLOYEE. I CAN TELL. NO, YOU AND I GET ALONG REAL GOOD. I WANT, I SAW WHERE, I'M SORRY. I SEE WHERE WE HAVE, UH, MOORES AND STUFF AND UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, I NOTICED WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, UH, RIDING LAWNMOWERS, UH, ZERO TURNS MM-HMM . AND UH, I SEE LIKE ON PARKS, I SEE LIKE FOUR OF 'EM BE OPERATING. I'LL BE, AND LEMME TELL YOU, THEY BE GETTING IT. OKAY. I MEAN THEY BE GETTING IT. BUT I LOOK AT THESE PARKS AND IT'S SO MUCH OPEN AREA. MM-HMM . AND I, I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE WE HAVE UM, BUSH HOGS YES. THAT GO BEHIND A TRACTOR THAT CAN CUT THAT GRASS JUST LIKE A RIDING LAWNMOWER AND YOU PROBABLY COULD SAVE A LOT OF TIME IF WE GOT THAT AND, AND PUT IT BEHIND ONE OF YOUR TRACTORS. 'CAUSE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I MEAN THEY SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND IT JUST OPEN AREA AND LEMME TELL YOU. SO I SEE THE ONE IN LAKESIDE WHEN THEY BE CUTTING OUT THERE, THEY GOT FOUR OF THEM AND THEY BE GOING ON, THEY BE GETTING IT WIDE OPEN. BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE PROBABLY COULD GET MORE DONE IF WE HAD SOMETHING THAT COVER MORE OF AN AREA THAT GIVE YOU THE SAME RESULTS. SO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. OKAY? I WILL. OKAY. POLICE, POLICE . 2, 2, 4, 3. UH, 2, 4 3. AND IT'S GONNA BE THE, THE DESCRIPTION, THE CHIEF. OKAY, I'LL JUST KEEP MOVING. I'LL COME BACK TO IT WHEN CHIEF COME IN. UH, SEE. OH, WORDS, NOTHING. OKAY. STREETS, STREETS. [02:10:06] PAGE 2, 4 5, 2, 4, 5, 2, 4, 5. I'M SORRY BABE. OKAY. I MET WITH YOU AND MANAGER, UH, WHEN I HAD DONE A PRESENTATION AND I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA MOVE ALONG WITH THE PROGRAM. SO MY QUESTION, UH, WE HAVE HOW MUCH MONEY THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE ALLOCATED FOR STREETS, CONSTRUCTION AND RECONSTRUCTION FOR THIS YEAR. HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE DID WE ALLOCATE IN THIS COMING BUDGET? LIKE NEW, IT'S COMMON BUDGET, TOTAL MONEY. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY NEW FUNDING FOR STREETS. WE ARE COMPLETING. ALL THESE STREETS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR UNDER DESIGN OR UNDERBID TO FINISH ALL THE FUNDING. WE ALREADY HAVE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS BUDGET YEAR, WE START WITH 20.9 MILLION FOR RESURFACING. WE STARTED WITH 20.94 MILLION FOR RECONSTRUCTION. AND A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, A LOT OF THAT MONEY WASN'T EVEN ALLOCATED YET. NO PROGRESS TOOK PLACE ON THESE STREETS. SO WE RELEASED FOUR MAJOR STREETS THAT COUNCIL APPROVED FOR, UH, DESIGN THAT STARTED ALREADY. AND YEAH, AND WE HAVE FIVE, UH, $6.4 MILLION RIGHT NOW. UH, GOING OUT FOR BIDS FOR DISTRICT ONE AND FOUR. WE ARE FINISHING UP DISTRICTS, UH, TWO AND THREE ON A CONTRACT WITH TEXAS MATERIAL THAT WILL BE DONE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND CLIFTON HAS AWARDED TWO PROJECTS THROUGH BY BOARD ALREADY. THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THE STREETS THAT YOU SEE IN THIS CAPITAL, UH, PROGRAM FOR THIS COMING YEAR ARE THE STREETS WE NEED YOUR BLESSING ON. SO WE CAN START DESIGN AND THE DESIGN WILL BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS BUDGET YEAR AND WE WILL BE FUNDING THEM IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR TO CONSTRUCTION. BUT ALL THESE STREETS ARE GONNA BE GOING TO DESIGN. FEW OF THEM WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO UTILIZING THE IN-HOUSE CREW BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE STREET. BUT WE STILL, WHAT WHAT WE, WHAT WE AGREED ON COUNCILMAN TO SET WHEN WE MET IS THE STREETS THAT NEED TO BE ADOPTED TO BE DONE HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND HAVE TO BE INSTALLED IN THE BUDGET. SO THAT'S THE LIST OF STREETS THAT WE PICKED FROM THAT STUDY BASED ON THE MOST CRITICAL DOWN. AND IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO CHANGE SOME OF THESE STREETS, UH, REPLACE ONE BY SOMETHING ELSE, WE ARE, UH, ALL EARS SO WE CAN FOLLOW YOUR DIRECTIVE. OKAY. NOW GO BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. WHAT I'VE BEEN OKAY IT, I HEAR YOU SAY THIS IS A MONEY THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. THIS IS A LIST OF STREETS THAT APPROVED. I SEEN STREETS THAT I WENT ON AND SAID, OKAY, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE WAS GONNA GET WITH THE PROGRAM SO WE COULD GET SOME POINT IN TIME WHERE WE START. SO WE HAVE HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE GOING TO PUT IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR STREETS? ARE WE GOING TO PUT ANY MONEY OR ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH MONEY THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY APPROVED BY COUNCIL? AND THAT'S WHAT I FIND HARD TO, TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW CAN WE HAVE MONEY THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY COUNCIL IF IT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL WITH THE SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO COUNCIL THE ANSWER. OKAY. THE FIRST, SO THE FIRST PART OF THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WITH THE $18 MILLION CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, WE ARE PROPOSING $3.1 MILLION NEW MONEY SO THAT YOUR COUNCIL COULD ALLOCATE TO VARIOUS STREETS IN THE NEW BUDGET. OKAY? THERE IS A PROPOSAL HERE. NOW, WILL THAT MONEY BE USED IN THE NEW BUDGET? WE DON'T KNOW AS YET BASED ON THE VOLUME OF WORK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OUT THERE. BUT AGAIN, WE ARE PROPOSING FROM CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATIONS $18,000,003.1 MILLION. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT AS WELL. OKAY. AND THAT IS NEW MONEY BASED ON YOUR QUESTION. [02:15:01] WELL, YEAH, THAT'S BASED ON NEW MONEY. WE TALKING ABOUT A BUDGET. YEAH. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS CAPITAL AND, AND I HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME, CAPITAL, UH, BALANCE OR, OR OR RESERVE. AND, AND THAT'S THE THING I'VE BEEN FIGHTING TO GET RID OF BECAUSE WE DON'T DO THAT EVERY YEAR. WE DO A BUDGET EVERY YEAR. WE SELECT THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO EVERY YEAR. EACH PROJECT THAT WE SELECT IN A BUDGET MUST HAVE A ESTIMATE OF COST AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE IN WHICH WE PUT IN CONTINGENCIES. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS LIST, IS THIS LIST CORRECT? THAT'S IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET? IS THIS WHAT? IS THIS WHAT YOU ALL PRESENTING, PROPOSING TO US? WHAT WHAT I SEE THESE. YES SIR. SO WHEN I LOOK AT A LIST LIKE THIS AND I SEE NINE AND A HALF MILLION AND I'M ROUNDING AROUND NINE AND A HALF MILLION FOR DISTRICT ONE AND I SEE 4.8 MILLION FOR DISTRICT TWO, 7.6 MILLION AND IT ROUNDS UP, UH, FOR THREE AND 5.06 MILLION FOR FOUR, THEN I START ASKING HOW DO WE DISSEMINATE OR DISTRIBUTE MONIES WITH THESE AMOUNT BASED ON STREETS AND STUFF? BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THE STREETS LISTED. WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, TOTAL LENGTH, IT'S BASICALLY THE TOTAL LENGTH OF STREETS FOR EACH DISTRICT IS ABOUT THE SAME. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY, HOW DO WE GET THAT? OH, THE OTHER THING IS WHEN I LOOK AT THIS LIST, I LOOK AT WIDTH DISTRICT ONE, I'M LOOKING AT THE STREETS THAT ARE LISTED HERE. DOES YOU HAVE ONE STREET THAT IS 20 FEET WIDE? BUT EVERY ONE OF THEM FROM ME ON GOES FROM 21, 28, 35, 37. YOU KNOW, IN FACT, I'M GONNA JUST GO THROUGH 'EM SO YOU COULD REALLY GET, EVERYBODY COULD HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING. DISTRICT ONE WIDTH, 28TH, 28, 35, 37, 28, 28, 21, 22, 33, 28, 28, 21, 22, 20 AND 20. THIS IS THE WIDTH STREETS. OKAY, LEMME GO TO DISTRICT FOUR. OKAY. DISTRICT 4, 21, 28. 18 18, 16, 18, 19 16. 28. 28. I GO TO DISTRICT 3, 24, 23, 22, 22, 24, 28, 28, 28, 21, 28, 24, 24, 21. OKAY, I GO TO DISTRICT 2, 26, 20 26, 20, 26, 26, 28, 29, 15, 21, 18 RESIDENTIAL. SO ALL THESE STREETS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WE SELECTED AND WE GOT STREETS THAT, THAT WIDE SOMEWHERE. WE DIDN'T FIND OUT THAT WHEN WE HAVE A LENGTH, I'M SORRY, WHEN YOU HAVE A LENGTH THAT MAY BE IN THE BALLPARK THERE, IF THE STREET IS 28 FEET WIDE, THEN IT'S GONNA REQUIRE MORE MONEY. OKAY? SO MUST BE TIME FOR YOU TO GO. I TELL YOU WHAT IT, I WANT TO GO BADDER THAN I THAN Y'ALL THINK. OKAY? I GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN THIS. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I WANT TO, I WANT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. IT'S PRETTY HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE, HOW WE GONNA DO THAT? BECAUSE ONE THING SAYS WE, [02:20:01] WE GIVE THE MONEY TO THE DISTRICTS AND WE SELECTED THE STREETS WITHIN THE DISTRICT BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT BEEN ALLOCATED TO THE DISTRICT. THAT'S WHAT THE ADOPTED PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO IF WE DO THAT, THAT MEAN IF YOU GOT A STREET, THAT'S WHY YOU GOTTA SELECT AND STAY WITHIN WHAT YOU GOT. OKAY? AND IT WORKS THE SAME, BUT IF IT GOT SMALLER STREETS, RIGHT? THEN QUITE NATURALLY YOU MIGHT END UP HAVING MORE TREES. BUT BECAUSE THE SMALLER WIDTH WILL DETERMINE HOW MANY SQUARE YARDS, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BASICALLY COST. EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO USE BASE, EVEN IF YOU USE ASPHALT OR WHATEVER. OKAY. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF WE SELECTING AS THE PROGRAM SAYS, BASED ON MONEY ALLOCATED, THIS DOESN'T, THIS DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT. NOW , I, I MEAN, I TRIED, I I, I'VE BEEN TRYING FOR TWO YEARS. I JUST WANTED TO MOVE ON. I JUST WANTED TO GET THE PROGRAM RIGHT. I, I DON'T LIKE TO GO BACK AND POINT THINGS, BUT I'M, BUT YOU BRING YOURSELF FOR ME TO APPROVE OF THE BUDGET THAT DOESN'T COME IN LINE WITH WHAT THE PROGRAM WAS THAT HAD BEEN FIGHTING FOR TWO YEARS TO SAY, LET'S JUST FOLLOW WHAT'S ADOPTED. OKAY. I'M NOT TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT. WHY. IT'S BASED ON THE LENGTH, THE SQUARE YARDS OR THE WIDTH OF A STREET WHEN THE PROGRAM CLEARLY STATES DIVIDE THE MONEY AMONG DISTRICTS AND THEN SELECT STREETS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT BASED ON THAT MONEY. THIS DOESN'T DO THAT. AND IF IT DID, JUST TELL ME, UH, COUNCILMAN, LET, LET ME ADDRESS YOUR FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS ONE. IN NOVEMBER 24, WHEN I, UH, HAD TO TAKE OVER THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE, UH, MR. CANEL LEFT, THE FIRST THING I LOOKED AT IS WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS WE HAVE THAT ARE LISTED IN TYLER THAT HAVE A PROJECT NUMBER AND ESTIMATED BUDGET. A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS WERE NOT YET STARTED, DESIGNED, OR HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. SO MY FIRST STEP TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY DOLLAR IN THE 20.9 MILLION RESURFACING AND 20.9 MILLION RECONSTRUCTION IS ASSIGNED TO A PROJECT. SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT LIST. THAT'S ALREADY IN TYLER. SOME OF THEM WENT TO DESIGN BECAUSE THEY NEEDED CONSULTANTS. 10 MILLION OF THEM WE CHOSE TO DESIGN IN-HOUSE. 'CAUSE THE COST TO DESIGN OUTSIDE THE CONSULTANTS WAS AROUND $700,000. SO I PERSONALLY GOT ENGAGED AND PUT THESE CONTRACTS UNDER MY COMPANY AND UNDER MY CEILING AND MY INSURANCE. AND SOME OF THEM ARE BID OUT, SOME OF THEM ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE ALSO DID, WHAT YOU ASKED US TO DO IS LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM THAT WAS GENERATED AT THE TIME AND DETERMINE IF THAT PROGRAM WAS FOLLOWED. WHEN WE DID THAT, WE REALIZED THERE WERE TWO STREETS IN THAT BUDGET THAT WERE NEVER DONE. REDBIRD WAS ONE OF THEM. SO WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT REDBIRD AND YOU ALL APPROVED GETTING IT DONE. SO THAT LIST THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN THE BUDGET WAS, IS FULLY COMPLETED. AND I BELIEVE AT THE TIME HASSAN WAS HERE WHEN THIS WAS DONE, AND THAT WAS PUT IN THE BUDGET. NOW ANSWERING YOUR NEXT QUESTION, STAFF HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DECIDE HOW THIS MONEY IS GONNA BE DIVIDED. SO WHAT I INSTRUCTED STAFF TO DO IS LOOK AT THE LIST WE HAVE THAT THE STUDY CREATED IMPACT THE SAME NUMBER OF CITIZENS, WHICH IS DEPENDENT ON PER LINEAR FOOT, NOT BY WIDTH. AND PROVIDE US A BREAKDOWN FOR THESE STREETS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. AND WE BROUGHT THIS LIST TO YOU ALL, AND THEN COUNCIL CAN DECIDE IF THEY WANNA SPEND 10 MILLION IN ONE, 2 MILLION, IN THREE, WHATEVER THE NUMBERS YOU ALL CHOOSE, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO TAKE THIS PROGRAM, [02:25:01] FOLLOW ITS ORIGINAL INITIATION, COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW. STAFF CANNOT DECIDE THAT. SO IT'S GONNA BE UP TO YOU ALL WHICH WAY YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS. AND WE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS LIST TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR DESIRES. OKAY? I, I'VE TALKED ABOUT STREETS. I HEAR THE SAME THING. COUNCIL, STAFF, COUNCIL, I SAID IT FROM DAY ONE WHEN I GOT BACK ON HERE IN JULY, TWO TIMES 23. IT IS NOT WHAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS. WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO IS AMEND ANYTHING THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED OR APPROVED BY A COUNCIL. I SAID THAT FROM DAY ONE. I KNEW IT WAS, WAS MESSED UP. I SAID, LET'S GO BACK. LET'S STOP WHERE WE ARE, GET AND FOLLOW WHAT WAS ADOPTED. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. AND I, FOR TWO YEARS ON COUNCIL, I ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES, WHEN ARE YOU ALL GOING TO BE READY FOR ME TO COME AND SELECT STREETS? AND I WENT A COUPLE TIMES, BUT WHEN I HAD A COUPLE OF TIMES I HAD QUESTIONS AND I SAID, THIS IS NOT WHAT THE PROGRAM'S AT. SAID, I GOTTA REPLY. WELL, I HEAR YOU. I JUST DO WHAT I'M TOLD. OKAY? I LEAVE. I SAY, WELL, WHEN YOU READY, I'D LIKE TO SELECT STREETS. SO I I WAITED FOR TWO YEARS. NOTHING. YOU, WHEN YOU SAY THE STAFF HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DIVIDE, THE MONEY IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAD REVIEWED THE PROGRAM AND UNDERSTOOD THE PROGRAM, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS APPROVED ABOUT THAT. IT WAS, YOU CAN TAKE AWAY, FIRST YOU GOTTA FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE PUTTING IN THERE. THEN AFTER THAT, IF YOU NEED EQUIPMENT, IF YOU NEED TO TRANSFER MONEY TO HELP STREET MEN, YOU TAKE THAT OUT. WHAT WAS LEFT OF IT? WHAT WAS LEFT OF IT, THE STAFF WAS SUPPOSED TO USE THE PERCENTAGE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AND DIVIDE IT. AND WHEN YOU DIVIDE IT, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE FOR EACH DISTRICT. SO WHEN YOU, AND WHEN YOU GET THAT, YOU LOOK AT THE STREETS, YOU MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WHEN YOU CALLED US, WE GO IN THERE WITH YOU AND YOU SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND WE YOU FIX IN YOUR DISTRICT. OR THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY YOU ARE ALLOCATED. AND IF WE FELT, NO, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS ONE, WE COULD MOVE IT AS LONG AS WE DIDN'T EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU ALL TOLD US WE HAD BASED ON WHAT YOU SUPPOSED TO DIVIDE BY THE ADOPTED PROGRAM. OKAY? THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. YOU KNOW, WHEN I GOT UP HERE, I SAY, WELL, HOW MUCH YOU BEEN SPENDING ON THE ADDRESS? WELL, WE WASN'T KEEPING TRACK, OKAY? I DIDN'T MAKE NO BIG ISSUE. I SAY LET'S START DOING IT RIGHT. LET'S DO IT RIGHT. OKAY. AND KEEP GOING. SAME THING WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING. NOW YOU MENTIONED REDBIRD, THE COUNCIL DID PASS IT, BUT I'M NOT DONE WITH IT WHEN I DO MY PRESENTATION, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT AGAIN BECAUSE STAFF TOOK TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE STREET FUNDS AND DOING A WATER UTILITY PROJECT AND A DRAINAGE PROJECT AND YOU'RE USING STREET FUNDS. THAT'LL BE DONE IN, SEE, THAT IS WHY I WANT TO KNOW HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS? STAFF IS STILL DOING WHAT STAFF WANT. AND YOU SAID YOU TALK WITH THIS PERSON, TALK THAT PERSON. WHY DON'T SOMEONE GO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE, THE MEETING WHEN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL AND THEY ASKED THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THAT PROGRAM. SO WE TALKING ABOUT, AND WHEN THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROGRAM, ONCE THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROGRAM, THAT IS THE PROGRAM. SO AFTER THAT, WE CAN NOW GO BY IT. SO I GOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M NOT GONNA BE LEGAL THIS, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANNA GIVE COUNSEL. UM, DR. HANEY, HE WAS RESPONDING, NOT DR. HAYNE. UH, JUST REAL QUICK, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON RED BIRD, BUT, UH, I WAS STANDING AT THIS PODIUM NOT TOO LONG AGO WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION THREE TIMES AND I WAS CONFIRMED THREE TIMES THAT [02:30:01] WE NEED TO USE STREETS FUNDING FOR WATER AND SEWER WHEN WE ARE DOING STREETS THAT HAVE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER THEM. SO THAT IF THERE IS A FAILURE, IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE STREET AND WE HAVE TO REDO IT. BUT SECONDLY, THE PROGRAM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE WAS DONE FOR A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM. AND WE HAVE PEOPLE, LET'S SAY THIS PROGRAM IS NO LONGER EFFECTIVE. COUNCIL MEMBER, DOUCETTE SAYS IT IS STAFF IS BEING PULLED FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. THAT'S WHY WE ARE BRINGING THIS TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE. DO YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT PROGRAM? THAT WAS A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM THAT EXPIRED IN 23. DO YOU WANNA COME UP WITH A NEW PROGRAM? DO YOU WANNA DO THESE STREETS IN TWO YEARS? DO YOU WANNA PUT ALL THE MONEY ONE YEAR IN ONE DISTRICT? ALL THE MONEY IN THE OTHER? WE WE NEED DIRECTION BECAUSE COUNCILMAN, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND YOUR POINT OF VIEW, BUT THERE ARE OTHER POINTS OF VIEW THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO LISTEN TO THAT MAYBE YOU ALL NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN OR REVITALIZE THE OLD PLAN. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU ALLALL WANT DO. MY MY OBJECTIVE WAS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SAME FOOTAGE IN ALL THESE DISTRICTS. 'CAUSE IT IMPACTS THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE. OKAY. OKAY. JUST I'M GONNA SAY THIS AND I'M THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN FROM AND THAT'S WHY I KEEP TELLING EVERYBODY READ OR LOOK WHAT IT, I SAID IF THE MEETING, IF YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT COUNCIL APPROVED, IF YOU GO BACK AND REVIEW THE MEETING IN WHICH THE RESOLUTION WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL APPROVED IT, APPROVED THE PROGRAM, AND WE DIDN'T APPROVE NO LIMIT ON THOSE YEARS. IT WAS APPROVED ON HOW THIS CITY WILL DO STREETS. IT EXPLAINED HOW THIS CITY WILL FUND STREETS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW MY HEAD, I UNDERSTOOD IT. I TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE I GOT BACK. BUT IF THIS, WHAT GONNA BE PRESENTED , I'M ONE COUNCIL MEMBER. BUT WHEN I DO MY PRESENTATION, I'M QUITE SURE THERE'S GONNA BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF MORE PEOPLE GONNA BE INTERESTED IN STREETS. OKAY? BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAY, WE SUPPOSED TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S STILL AFFECTED OR NOT EFFECTIVE. IF YOU WOULD'VE REVIEWED THE FILM THAT I'VE BEEN PREACHING FOR TWO YEARS, YOU'LL C NOBODY TALKED ABOUT NO YEAR. THEY SAID, HOW WE GOING TO DO THIS IN THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR? THAT'S WHAT WAS SAID ON THE MEETING. THAT WAS COUNCIL APPROVED NO YEARS. OKAY, COUNSEL? UH, ONE, OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MCKEN LAW. ALL RIGHT. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA THANK YOU. UH, LOSE A QUORUM. I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE. OKAY. AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK HAD TO LEAVE AND I, I NEED TO LEAVE RIGHT AWAY. OKAY? OKAY. HOW MUCH TIME WE GET ABOUT GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD COUNSEL. GO AHEAD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, I'M GOOD, DOC. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. UH, CITY MANAGER, HR DEPARTMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ASK, UH, DR. THIGPEN OR THE, OH, I'M SORRY. UH, UH, 57, UH, BACK 2 57. 50 57. 2 57. I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. HEY, DOC, WHILE YOU WALKING UP HERE, JUST KIND OF, I WANTED TO DEPICT AND I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY. WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUESTED IN 25, 26? UH, THOSE VACANCIES THAT ARE REOCCURRING, THOSE THINGS I'VE BEEN ASKING EVERY YEAR, EVERY BUDGET REOCCURRING MORE THAN TWO YEARS THAT WE CAN'T FILL. OKAY, SO MY QUESTION IS TO YOU, DOC, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WE KEEP BUDGETING FOR THESE TYPE OF JOBS. WE CAN'T FILL THESE JOBS FOR WHATEVER REASON, DON'T KNOW WHATEVER REASON YOU GUYS HAVE DOWN IN HR, BUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE DOING IF WE CAN'T FILL THEM, BUT WE KEEP BUDGETING FOR THEM. WHY CAN'T WE ALLOCATE THOSE THINGS OR THOSE JOBS TO SOMETHING CHANGE JOB DESCRIPTIONS LIKE WE'VE TRIED TO DO FOUR YEARS AGO, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. WHY CAN'T WE FILL THESE POSITIONS? AND, AND THE REASON I'M GONNA GET TO THE SECOND HALF OF MY QUESTION ONCE YOU ASK, ANSWER THAT. WELL, UH, WITHIN THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, THERE ARE A FEW JOBS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO FILL. UM, AS YOU SAID, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS FOR THE DIFFICULTY. SOMETIMES IT'S JUST THE DIFFICULTY WITHIN THE MARKET ITSELF. UM, THE, SOME PHYSICIANS, UH, WE'VE ENCOUNTERED, SOME ARE VERY TECHNICAL. UH, THERE ARE A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE [02:35:01] THAT ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THOSE JOBS. UH, WE'VE HAD A MARKET STUDY. WE ARE ENGAGING, UH, IN A NEW WAGE AND CLASSIFICATION PLAN TO UPDATE OUR SALARIES. WE ARE CONTINUING AND UPDATING, UH, RECRUITMENT EFFORTS TO TRY AND FILL THOSE POSITIONS. WE'VE ENGAGED, UH, OUTSIDE RECRUITMENT AND WE STILL ENCOUNTERED THOSE DIFFICULTIES. NOW, THE ISSUE BECOMES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF, THE DEPARTMENT HAS THOSE JOBS LISTED BECAUSE THEY DO FEEL THEY NEED SOMEONE TO FILL THAT FUNCTION. AND IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING SIMPLY TAKE THE JOB OUT OF THE BUDGET AT THAT POINT IF WE CAN'T FILL IT. AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE TO RECOMMEND THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP THAT POSITION. WE DO RECLASSIFY POSITIONS, UH, IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE ACTUAL JOB DESCRIPTION OF THE POSITION ITSELF, BUT THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT SOME POSITIONS, SUCH AS SOME OF THE SEARCHES WE'VE ENGAGED IN, UH, IT'S JUST BEEN IN, UH, UNFORTUNATELY UNABLE TO FILL IT. OKAY. AND I'M OKAY. THANK YOU DOC. BUT, UH, COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN EVER, I KNOW SHE'S GONNA BE GLAD TO HEAR THIS, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, ON TUESDAY SHE MENTIONED ABOUT AFTER WE HAD OUR BUDGET MEETING, SHE TALKED ABOUT SOME TYPE OF MEDIA SLASH ADVERTISING OFFICER PERSON YEAH. YOU KNOW, TO HELP WITH PROMOTING AND, AND RECRUITING. UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M TOTALLY INTERESTED IN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BEING ON A COUNCIL FOR, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE WHILE NOW, WE CONSTANTLY SEE THESE SAME POSITIONS NOT BEING FILLED. UH, WE WANNA KNOW THE WHY, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL WANNA KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT BEING FILLED. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET, UH, THE CITY MANAGER HAS APPROVED THE, UH, PLACEMENT OF A MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, MARKETING. OKAY? OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE, DID I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WITH, UH, HR? WE, WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THAT'S GONNA BE TUESDAY. SO IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, DOC, THAT'S ONE OF MY PRIMARY THINGS I WANT TO KNOW. MM-HMM . VACANCIES. I'M TRACKING VACANCIES. I'M HONEST, BEING HONEST WITH YOU. MM-HMM . UH, AND I KNOW A COUPLE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE TRACKING VACANCIES. OH, WE KNOW. SO THOSE VACANCIES NEED TO BE POSTED CORRECT. ON OUR WEBSITE UNTIL FILLED. NOT IN THE PROCESS. NOT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING ON IT IF WE HAVEN'T OPEN, AND I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THE DAY PRIOR THAT VACANCY NEEDS TO BE FILLED AND WE NEED TO UPDATE WEEKLY. CORRELATE WHATEVER UPDATE MEANS YOU HAVE. THAT'S MY THING. VACANCIES NEED TO BE POSTED IN OR OUT. I DON'T CARE IF WE'RE GOING OUT OR IN, IT NEEDS TO BE POSTED SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT VACANCIES. OKAY. THAT'S MY SPELL ON THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DOC. OKAY. I GOT 1 0 1. COUNTY GOT COUNTY. OKAY. I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, HR. YOU STILL DOING SECTIONS? HERE WE ARE. AND SAY YOU HAD TO LEAVE IF YOU WANT ME TO HOLD UP TUESDAY. RIGHT. IF WE COULD DO THAT UNTIL TUESDAY. I'VE GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE AND GO. OKAY. QUESTION JUST BRIEFLY, DOC. HELLO DOC. THOSE, THOSE D THOSE DIFFICULT JOBS TO FILL, CAN YOU DIS REDISTRIBUTE AND CHANGE JOB DESCRIPTIONS IN, IN, IN HOUSE TO GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF? UH, COUNCILMAN WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO JOB DESCRIPTION, BUT SOME OF THESE JOBS ARE JUST VERY TECHNICAL. YEAH. FOR INSTANCE, WE, UH, WERE SEEKING TO FILL THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY POSITION THAT HAS REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPTION TO WAIVE. YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED TO PRACTICE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE AND YOU HAVE TO WANT TO WORK HERE IN PORT ARTHUR. AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE FACE WITH SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, WITH THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MOTION FOR DISMISSAL. SO MOVED. SECOND. NEED A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY NOS? THE AYES HAVE IT. WE ARE GONNA CONCLUDE THIS WORKSHOP AND, UM, SEE YOU GUYS NEXT TUESDAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.