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YOU WERE ABOUT EIGHT[I. Chairperson’s Opening Remarks]
HELLO EVERYBODY.IT IS NOW 5 31 AND IT'S AUGUST THE FOURTH AND WE'RE MEETING AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR PORT ARTHUR, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR.
PRESENT ROSALYN QUEEN, PRESENT WHITE.
[IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF MINUTES.DO WE HEAR A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE 31ST OF JULY.
ANY COMMENT QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR A.
NONE OPPOSED? AND SO WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
[VI. NEW BUSINESS - PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS (INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION)]
BUSINESS SIR.IS IT Z 25 DASH OH FIVE ES MINUTE ES ESTIMATE OR READ THE WRONG ONE? YEAH, THE REPORT.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS BAPTIST MISSIONARY ASSOCIATION DEPARTMENT OF MISSIONS INCORPORATED.
THE SURVEYOR AND ENGINEERING COMPANY WOULD BE ARSENAL WILSON AND COLE.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6 2 4 9 GARNET AVENUE, JCAD PARCEL NUMBER 8 5 9 6 1.
AND THE REQUEST TYPE IS OF AN APPROVAL OF A REPL IN PORT ACRES.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A REPL REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING REPL OF E 192 FEET OF LOT SEVEN, BLOCK EIGHT PORT ACRES 6 2 4 7 AND 6 2 4 9 GARNET AVENUE, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
THE NEW TRACK NAMES WILL BE TRACKED A TRACK B AND TRACK C EAST OF 192 FEET OF LOT SEVEN BLOCK EIGHT PORT ACRES, 6 2, 4 7 AND 6 2, 4 9 GARNETT AVENUE, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
THE LOT DIMENSIONS ARE 91313.41 SQUARE FEET.
TOTAL ACREAGE, 2.10 ACRES OF LAND.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE IS NO PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE.
THE ABUTTING ZONES NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST ARE ALL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPL IS TO DIVIDE ONE TRACT OF LAND INTO THREE TRACKS.
AN APPLICATION FOR A REPLAY WAS SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND ZONING ON OR AROUND JUNE 27TH, 2025.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPL IS TO DIVIDE ONE TRACK OF LAND INTO THREE TRACKS ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 16TH, 2025, 13.
NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWSPAPER A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE PNZ PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY, AUGUST 4TH, 2025.
AND THAT IS ALL COMMISSIONERS.
AND THIS, THIS, UH, ITEM, THIS IS JUST A R 25 13, RIGHT? YES SIR.
IS IT APPROPRIATE TO GO AHEAD WITH THE OTHER ONE, REPLAY IT JUST TO ANNOUNCE WHAT IT IS BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC? UM, WELL YOU HAVE TO ASK WHO'S FOR AND WHO'S AGAINST FIRST AND THEN WE CAN UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT ONE.
JUST EACH ITEM AT A TIME THOUGH.
SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO SEE UH, IF THERE'S ANYBODY FOR OR AGAINST AND IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT, ANYBODY WHO'S PRESENT, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE AS YOU COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.
SO THAT SAYS, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? OKAY, GO AHEAD SIR.
I RESIDE AT 61 50 GARNET AVENUE AND THIS IS STRICTLY TO REPLANT IT INTO THREE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
THAT PROPERTY'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR, I'M 64 YEARS OLD TODAY.
IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR 64 YEARS.
I THINK IT OUGHT TO STAY THAT WAY.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FOR, IN, IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM? ACTUALLY HE JUST WANTED TO SPEAK AGAINST IT.
AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, MR. VINCENT,
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THE PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY BUT A CHURCH CAN GO IN ANY ZONE.SO, UM, IT IS OKAY TO REPL IT IN THE, WITH THOSE DIMENSIONS ON THE UM, ACTUAL MAP.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE A CHURCH.
MR. VINCENT, HOLD ON A SECOND.
ANYONE ELSE? WHO'S, ANYONE HERE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM YOU SPOKE AGAINST THEM? JUST HOLD ON ON A SECOND.
WELL, SHE'S GIVEN OUT INFORMATION NOW THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF.
ALRIGHT, ANYONE? ALRIGHT, SO THERE'S NOBODY ELSE HERE.
UH, SO NOW AGAINST WHAT WE HEARD FROM MR. VINCENT, WAS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT? UH, MS. ARIAS, YOU OR MR. BARAND? NO SIR.
AND I DO APOLOGIZE MR. VINCENT.
THE INFORMATION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THIS SCREEN WITH THE MAP BUT IT WENT OFF.
UM, BUT THE ZONING MAP ON IT IS THE REMOTE OVER THERE.
THE CONTROLLER, THE PROJECTOR WENT OFF.
SO IT NEEDS TO THE POWER BUTTON COMMISSION.
DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NOT REALLY.
I SEE THE CHURCH, UH, ON THE PICTURE FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, THAT'S ALL YOU KNOW, I GUESS THEY'RE GOING TO FL AROUND THE CHURCH NOT SHOWING THE LAND THAT THEY'RE GONNA FLS.
THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, I WOULD SEE THE LAND.
ARE THEY REPLANTING IN THE FRONT ON THE SIDE IN THE BACK? THE MAP IS PROVIDED INSIDE OF THE ACTUAL PACKET.
IS THE REPL GOING ON THE SIDE, THE FRONT OR THE BACK OF THE CHURCH? 'CAUSE ALL WE HAVE IS TWO PICTURES OF THE CHURCH.
WELL IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL MAP FROM ARSENAL WILSON AND COLE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE LAND IS BEING DIVIDED UP.
THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHICH WAS ONCE THE PARSONAGE FOR THE PREACHER WOULD BE ON ONE LOT, IT MEETS ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS REQUIRED BY LAW.
THE CHURCH WILL BE ON THE LOT BY, BY ITSELF.
AGAIN, A CHURCH IS ALLOWED IN ANY DISTRICT BY RIGHT.
AND THEN THERE'S A LARGE PIECE OF LAND THAT'S RIGHT ON THE SIDE, UM, OF THE CHURCH THAT THEY WILL PLAT, UM, INTO A LOT.
THAT AGAIN IS, IT MEETS ALL SPECS REQUIRED BY LAW TO BE A LOT ON ITS OWN.
CAN I ASK THIS, IS THIS AN ACTIVE CHURCH? I'M NOT AWARE.
IS IT WHAT ACTIVE? NO, IT'S CLOSED NOW.
OH, THE CHURCH IS CLOSED EITHER WAY.
IT CAN ONLY OPERATE AS A CHURCH ONLY.
ONLY A CHURCH IS OP IS ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT LIKE THAT BY RIGHT ON ACTUAL PROPERTY, THAT ZONE.
SINGLE FAMILY, WHETHER IT'S A ACTIVE CHURCH OR NOT, JUST BECAUSE OF THE LAND THE CHURCH IS SITTING ON.
NO, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A CHURCH.
WELL IT'S A CHURCH AND THE LAND BELONGS TO A CHURCH AND IT'S ALLOWED THERE BY RIGHT.
SO THE LAND STAYS WITH THE CHURCH REGARDLESS? YES.
AND THE CHURCH WILL SIT ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT ON ITS OWN BECAUSE IT'S ALLOWED TO AND IT HAS TO FUNCTION AS A CHURCH, ACTIVE OR NOT? YES MA'AM.
CHURCH THAT RECORDED, THE CHURCH IS NOT FUNCTIONING ACTIVELY AS A CHURCH IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
EVEN THOUGH THE CHURCH IS SITTING THERE, IT'S NOT FUNCTIONING AT ALL.
ALRIGHT, MR. VIS, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? WHY DON'T YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? YEAH, YEAH.
MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A CHURCH, THE PARSONAGE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT HAS BEEN THERE THE LOT THERE AND THE LOT THAT WHICH IS REALLY ADJACENT TO MY HOUSE IS THE ONE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO REPL, WHICH I SUSPECT THAT THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO DO IT AND BUILD A HOME ON IT.
SO THAT'S ONE REASON THEY WANTED TO DIVIDE TO, TO SPLIT THIS UP.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HOME, THE CHURCH AND THEN THE PARSONAGE, WHICH THE PARSONAGE IS NO LONGER GONNA BE A PARSONAGE 'CAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PREACHER PASSED AWAY.
SO WE HAVE THE HOME, THE PARSONAGE, THE CHURCH WHERE THE STAR IS, AND THEN THE LAND, THE LOT THAT'LL BE LEFT AT 61ST IN GARNET, WHICH I CAN SEE WHY THEY'RE WANTING TO DO IT.
IT'S A NICE PIECE OF LAND, BUT I'M AGAINST IT.
THAT'S GONNA GIVE ME NEIGHBORS THAT I, THAT I DO NOT WANT THAT.
THAT'S BEEN NICE, QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOREVER AND IT NEEDS TO STAY THAT WAY.
I, I CUT THIS GRASS AS A KID MANY TIMES.
APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOUR CON APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS SIR.
I'M LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST THE ITEM? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
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ALL RIGHT.THE PROPERTY OWNER IS CHARLES GUIDRY.
THE SURVEYOR IS ACCESS SURVEY SUR ACCESS SURVEYORS, EXCUSE ME.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5,500 PROCTOR STREET EXTENSION, JCAD PARCEL NUMBER 7 2 8 5 3.
THE REQUEST TYPE IS AN APPROVAL OF A REPL IN PORTER IN THE PORT ARTHUR LAND COMPANY SUBDIVISION.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A REPLAY REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING PART OF LOT THREE IN LOT FOUR BLOCK ONE RANGE.
E PORT ARTHUR LAND COMPANY, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
THE NEW TRACK NAME, TRACK ONE, TRACK TWO, AND TRACK THREE PART OF LOTS THREE AND LOT FOUR BLACK, BLACK ONE RANGE, E PORT ARTHUR LAND COMPANY, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
THE TOTAL LOT DIMENSIONS ARE 148,260 SQUARE FEET.
THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 2.49 ACRES OF LAND.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
THE ABUTTING ZONES ARE ALL NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS RE PLAT IS TO DIVIDE ONE TRACT OF LAND INTO THREE TRACKS.
AN APPLICATION FOR A REPL WAS SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND ZONING ON OR AROUND JULY 2ND, 2025.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPL IS TO DIVIDE ONE TRACT OF LAND INTO THREE TRACKS ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 16TH, 2000, 25, 10 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWSPAPER A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE PNZ PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 4TH, 2025.
AND THAT IS ALL COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? NO, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE LAND.
IT'S UM, LITERALLY LIKE IF YOU GO PAST TRAVIS ELEMENTARY, WAY PAST THE EXTENSION ON PROCTOR, LIKE GO FAR, FAR, FAR.
IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE LIKE, OH, OKAY.
UM, IT'S ALL THAT WAY IN THAT BACK AREA WHERE YOU SEE, UM, A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL WORK GOING ON.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO? WHAT PROPERTY? UM, I'M NOT CERTAIN.
UM, AND THEY DIDN'T GIVE US ANY DETAILS AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
BUT, UM, BY LAW THE LOT IS DIVIDED WITH ALL THE SPECS PROVIDED BY LAW AND WHAT NEED, WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, TO BE PASSED, REQUIRED BY LAW.
WHAT NEEDS TO BE REQUIRED BY LAW TO PASS.
AND NO LETTERS FOR OR AGAINST? NO SIR.
FOR THE FIRST ONE, NOR THIS ONE FOR THIS.
SO ANYONE HERE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? ANYONE HERE WISHES TO FAVOR ITEM? ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR AND AGAINST? ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THE ITEM? AND I'LL REPEAT IT TWICE.
ANYONE WHO HERE WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST IT? ANYONE WHO WE TO SPEAK AGAINST? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE.
OR ACTUALLY THE REPLAYS, UM, ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE LA THE ITEM.
LAST ITEM'S, WHAT? THE ZONE CASE SIR? ZONE CASE.
SO WE CAN JUST MOVE ON, UH, WE CAN GO TO THE ZONE CASE? YES SIR.
Z 25 DASH ZERO FOUR AND COMMISSIONERS, YOU WILL SEE THIS, UM, REPORT IS ACTUALLY FAMILIAR.
WE REVIEWED IT BEFORE AND UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING A DIFFERENT ROUTE.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UM, CASE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THIS, BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, DID THIS NOT COME TO US BEFORE THIS? YES MA'AM.
IT CAME BEFORE, BUT THEY'RE GOING A DIFFERENT ROUTE WITH THE ZONE.
SO WHAT WAS THE CHANGE? WE, I'M ABOUT TO, UM, READ IN YOUR REPORT RIGHT NOW.
PROPERTY OH Z 25 DASH ZERO FOUR.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS COLD PROPERTIES LLC.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 35 37 30 NINTH STREET.
JCAD PARCEL NUMBER 9 8 2 1 0 9 8 2 1 1 AND 9 8 2 1 2.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING LOTS 15 THROUGH 20 BLOCK, 23 ROSEMONT EDITION, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS, TOTAL ACREAGE 0.48, ONE ACRES OF LAND.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 30 DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS NOW MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
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UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FUTURE USE IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 30.THE ABUTTING ZONES NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST ARE ALL MEDIUM DENSITY DE RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM A PLAN DEVELOPMENT 30 DISTRICT TO A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AN APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON OR AROUND MAY 1ST, 2025, REQUESTING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM A PLAN DEVELOPMENT 30 DISTRICT TO A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 16TH, 2020 5, 21.
NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITH A 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWSPAPER A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE PNZ PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY, AUGUST 4TH, 2025.
AND, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DR.
QUEEN, UM, THEY WENT FROM HDR TO TO FAMILY BECAUSE WE WENT BACK AND WE REVIEWED IT AND, UM, IT, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SPOT ZONING.
SO WE HAD, WE CONTACTED THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND LET THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT, BUT THEY COULD REZONE IT TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AS IT ALIGNS WITH THE REST OF THE AREA.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN REMEMBER, BUT WE DID HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER OR TWO COME OUT AND SPEAK AGAINST IT.
UM, AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH DENSITY, BUT NOW SINCE IT'S MEDIUM DENSITY, I CAN PROUDLY SAY THAT WE DID NOT HAVE ANY LETTERS OF OPPOSITION WHEN IT COMES TO THIS REQUEST
SO IF YOU'RE SWITCHING IT AROUND SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL SO THAT IT CAN ALIGN MORE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO HOW, I MEAN, I KNOW THE PERSON WHO OWNS THIS, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WOULD WE LEAD CHIEF IS BECAUSE OF THE COMPLAINTS? NO, NO, NO.
IT'S BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT BACK AND DOUBLE CHECKED, YOU KNOW, SO IT WAS THE CITY'S FAULT WE WENT BACK AND WE REVIEWED IT MM-HMM
AND WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT THIS WAS THE CITY THAT WE COULD NO LONGER MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
BUT WE DID NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WAS VERY KIND.
AND SHE SAID, UM, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GET IT DONE.
AND SHE WAS OKAY WITH MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AS AGAIN IT ALIGNS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU OR MR. MADON ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ITEM? UM, NO SIR.
SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, UH, INITIAL REQUEST IN THIS ONE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE ACTUAL MAP, UM, OUR TECHNOLOGY, WE ARE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTIES NOW.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAPER, YOU SEE THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE ALL BLUE AND THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS, THE, THE PORTION THAT SHE WANTS CHANGED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, THE ONE, THE MAP WITH THE COLORS MM-HMM
AND, UM, SHE NOW WANTS TO TURN THAT BLUE TO ALIGN WITH THE AREA.
BEFORE SHE WANTED IT GREEN, WHICH WAS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE CAN HAVE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE WENT BACK AND WE CORRECTED IT AND WE SPOKE TO HER ABOUT IT.
AND, UM,
SO WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR A VOTE.
ANYONE HERE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? ANYONE HERE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, THIRD CALL.
ANYONE HERE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM? OTHERWISE LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST THE ITEM.
ANYONE HERE WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST IT? FINALLY FO CALL.
ANYONE HERE WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, LET'S MOVE ON PLEASE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT ANY OF THESE ITEMS? UM, YES.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE, ARE THEY? NO MA'AM.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS DONE ITS DUE DILIGENCE AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS LEGAL, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
UM, LINE THEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT THAT AND CORRECT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMETHING THAT'S ILLEGAL, THEY WILL ALWAYS SEND A PRELIMINARY.
ONCE WE RECEIVE THE PRELIMINARY, WE SEND IT TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO CHECK FOR ISSUES, ERRORS OR THINGS THEY MAY NEED TO CHANGE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THANK YOU MR. WE FOR ASKING THAT.
I, UM, JUST WISH I BLACK THIS, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S A, A SPIRITUAL CHURCH, THAT THERE'D BE ONE, AT LEAST ONE PERSON PRESENT TO EXPLAIN THE SITUATION.
AND I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE HERE, BUT I, I JUST REGRET THERE'S NO ONE HERE WHO, WHO WISHES
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TO SPEAK IN FAVOR ITEM YET THERE IS A MAN HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST IT.AND SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST, UH, I I I JUST WISH THAT THEY WOULD'VE, UH, SHOWN SOME, SOME, UH, INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS.
SO DO YOU, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY RECORD OF CONVERSATION THAT THE CITY HAS HAD WITH HIM ABOUT THIS SITUATION? UM, NO.
WE JUST, WE ARE JUST IN CHARGE OF THE REPL, THAT'S ALL.
AND TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THEY'RE REQUESTING ALIGNS WITH THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IT DOES.
SO ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I DON'T, IF IT IS REALLY NOT MY LANE, I DON'T GO TO IT.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD THIS COVERAGE BEFORE MM-HMM
ABOUT WHAT'S LEGAL AND WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO.
YOU HAVE TO ASK US TO VOTE MM-HMM
SO IF THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO VOTE, I MEAN, WHY WE VOTING IF THERE'S SOMETHING, IF, IF THERE'S NO CHOICE.
WELL, I THINK, UM, WE HAVE TO OF COURSE VOTE WITH WHAT THE LAW SAYS, WHAT, WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND ITS MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, I MEAN, I THINK THEY'VE EVEN GIVEN MORE THAN THE MINIMUM.
UM, I'VE BEEN ON SITE, I'VE MADE SURE THAT ALL SETBACKS, UM, ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW AND I MADE SURE THAT IT WAS ALL PURPLE.
MEANING THAT IT IS ONLY SINGLE FAMILY.
SO IF ANYTHING THAT TRIES TO OPERATE IN A CHURCH OTHER THAN A CHURCH WILL BE AN ISSUE.
BUT, UM, THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT TO DIVIDE THEIR PROPERTY AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF MY LAW.
IT MUST BE SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY RESIDENCE IS EITHER THEIR CHURCH OR A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
SO THEY CAN BUILD THREE HOUSE? NO, THEY CAN'T.
WELL, THEY ON ON THE DIFFERENT LOTS.
SO TECHNICALLY NO, THEY CAN ONLY BUILD ONE 'CAUSE THERE'S THE PARSONAGES THERE.
I MEAN, IF THEY DECIDE TO TEAR DOWN THE CHURCH, THEY CAN PUT ONE THERE AND THEN THERE'S AN EMPTY LIGHT RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHURCH.
THE REST OF THEM HAVE THINGS ON IT.
THEY DECIDE TO TEAR THIS CHURCH DOWN SINCE NOBODY'S THERE ANYMORE.
WHOEVER OWNED THE LAND THINKING THEY GONNA MAKE SOME MONEY.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY TEAR THIS CHURCH DOWN? IT CHANGES THE HOLE.
THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T EVEN CHANGE THE ZONING.
THE ONLY THING THEY CAN DO IF THEY TEAR THAT CHURCH DOWN IS PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT.
YOU CAN'T EVEN REZONE IT BECAUSE IN ORDER TO TRIGGER REZO A REZONE, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THREE ACRES OR MORE.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE SPOT ZONING.
I'VE ALREADY GOT 'EM LISTED WITH A REALTOR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY GONNA DO.
TEAR IT DOWN, PUT THREE HOLES IN THERE.
I'M GONNA HAVE NEIGHBORS OUT THERE WAZO.
BUT AGAIN, IT IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY.
SO IT'S, IT'S ZONED FOR THAT USE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFICATION, GO AHEAD.
IT IS, UH, IF WE APPROVE MM-HMM
REQUEST, THE CITY COUNCIL STILL HAS THE FINAL SAY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED.
THEY WOULD JUST, THE, THE CITIZENS WOULD JUST HAVE TO KEEP WATCH AS TO WHAT YEAH.
AND IF THEY SEE THE CHURCH OPERATING IN ANYTHING AS OTHER THAN SUCH, THEN WE INVESTIGATE.
AND THERE IS A CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT ALSO.
Y'ALL PREPARED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING? OR, OR YOU HAVE OTHER COMMENTS? I'M DONE LIKE TO MAKE A, UM, MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS OF THE REFLEX BECAUSE THE ZONING IS A SEPARATE ONE.
SO I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON RE WELL YOU CLOSE IT ALL TOGETHER AND THEN CLOSE EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, LET'S, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THESE ITEMS SEPARATELY.
UM, COMMISSIONER, WHAT DO YOU, YOU HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE GO TO A MOTION, ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT? I DO.
IF WE CHOOSE TO PIN OR HOLD THIS REPL FOR FURTHER INFO.
BASICALLY FOR ANY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO PROBABLY JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE BECAUSE THAT CAN HAPPEN IN FOUR ACRES PERCENT.
I KNOW THAT FOR, UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE PROPERTY FOR SURE.
AND WE HAVE SENT IT TO EVERYBODY WHO IS REQUIRED TO RECEIVE A LETTER BY LAW, UM, THAT THIS CHANGE IS GETTING READY TO HAPPEN.
WE'VE ALREADY NOTIFIED ANYONE AND I'VE JUST PROVIDED YOU WITH THE FULL REPORT OF EVERYTHING, UM, AND ALL THE RESEARCH OF THAT PROPERTY.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MAYBE I CAN ANSWER THEM.
WELL, I, I PERSONALLY NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING ON THIS RIGHT NOW.
BY LAW, EVEN IF YOU DENY WE HAVE 30 DAYS TO, TO IT, IT IS PROVE
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AUTOMATICALLY IN 30 DAYS.THE REASON WHY YOU'RE HERE TO VOTE ON IT.
BECAUSE THE, THE, THE STATE WOULD LIKE A COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THINGS GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKING SURE AND, AND KIND OF PUTTING A STAMP ON IT THAT THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT.
WE CANNOT DENY A PERSON'S REPLAY AS LONG AS IT'S LEGAL BY LAW.
SO EVEN IF IT'S WHEN 30 DAYS COME UP, EVEN IF YOU SAY, WELL WE'RE GONNA PUSH THIS ASIDE 30 DAYS, WE HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT ANYWAY.
I KNOW WHAT
WELL, I MOVE APPROVAL, UH, CASE NUMBER R 2 5 13.
ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THREE FLAT FOR R 25 DASH 14.
ANY COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE ZONING ITEM Z 25 DASH OH FOUR.
WE A I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE FOR R OR Z, WHATEVER THAT IS.
ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THIS ITEM IS APPROVED.
[VII. NEW BUSINESS - NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS]
BUSINESS TO COME? YOU SAID EARLIER YOU DON'T HAVE NEW BUSINESS.UM, OTHER THAN A MEETING REMINDER, WHICH IS AUGUST 18TH, 2025, 5:30 PM OKAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE? I JUST SAY THAT I SAW THAT CONSTRUCTION RESIDE NINTH AVENUE MEMORIAL.
IS THAT THE TOWN HOMES? UM, THAT IS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'LL BE BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND IT.
SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? I HAVE A LOOKED, YEAH, THEY JUST CLEARED THE LAND.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYBODY? UH, STAFF COMMISSION? I DO HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING.
MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
AT FIVE MEETINGS CLOSED AT 5:28 PM THANK YOU.