Aug 06, 2024 Special City Council

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[I. INVOCATION, PLEDGE & ROLL CALL]

WE ARE GATHERED HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS HERE AT 4 44 FOURTH STREET IN THE GREAT CITY OF FORT ARTHUR, TEXAS, HERE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, UH, FIFTH FLOOR FOR A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL ON TODAY, AUGUST 6TH, 2024.

IT IS NOW 1:11 PM AND, UH, THIS MEETING MAY BE ATTENDED THROUGH THE MEETINGS OF TELEPHONIC OR VIDEO CONFERENCE.

UH, HOWEVER, YOU MUST DIAL 8 7 7 8 5 3 5 2 4 7 OR 8 8 8 7 8 8 0 0 9 9.

ENTER THE MEETING CODE OF 8 9 2 6 5 2 7 2 9 3 4, AND THE PASS CODE OF 5 1 7 6 3 9 AND YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING.

ALSO, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY THAT HERE IN THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, AND FOR THIS MEETING, IF THERE WOULD BE NEED FOR ANY SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS, THEY WILL BE PROVIDED FOR YOU BY CALLING THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AT 4 0 9 9 8 3 8 1 1 5.

HOWEVER, THIS REQUEST MUST BE MADE 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE TO THE MEETING SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TIME TO MAKE THE NECESSARY PROVISIONS FOR YOU.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL HAVE OUR NOW OUR NORMAL OPENING OF THE MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND VACATION, A UH, PLEDGE, AND THE ROLL CALL, WHICH YOU STAND FOR PRAYER FOR US, PLEASE.

SO I'M GONNA DEVIATE.

DR.

THIG, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO LEAVE US IN THE PRAYER TODAY? MY FATHER, GOD SUCH GIVING THANKS FOR THIS ANOTHER DAY YOU'VE BLESSED US WITH FATHER, WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS ON THIS ASSEMBLY, THAT YOU ALLOW US TO PROCEED IN A MANNER THAT IS DECENT, IN ORDER AND PLEASING THE YOUTH WHERE YOUR GRACE AND BLESSINGS ON OUR CITY.

IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.

AMEN.

AMEN.

THANK YOU.

PLEASE JOIN US IN RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ELGI.

I PLEDGE THE LEADERS TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.

CITY SECRETARY, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO ESTABLISH THE QUARTER? MAYOR BARTEE, PRESENT, MAYOR PRO.

TIM BECKHAM, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS.

COUNCIL MEMBER HAMILTON, EVER FIELD COUNCIL MEMBER DEAT.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER KINLAW HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER FRANK, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU SO KINDLY.

WE ARE HERE TODAY AND I'VE ALREADY STATED WHERE WE ARE IN THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, CHAMBERS HERE IN THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR.

AND WE WILL DEVIATE FROM THE PRINTED AGENDA AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH, UM,

[III.A. (1) P.R. No. 23870 – A Resolution To Consider Establishing The Proposed Fiscal Year 2024-2025 Tax Rate, Taking A Record Vote And Scheduling A Public Hearing To Receive Public Comment On The Proposed Tax Rate]

AND THESE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY, UH, REQUIRING INDIVIDUAL ACTION.

THE FIRST ITEM BEING A RESOLUTION PR NUMBER 2 38 7 0.

IT IS A RESOLUTION TO CONSIDER ESTABLISHING THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR OR FISCAL YEAR, EXCUSE ME, FISCAL YEAR 20 24, 20 25, TAX RATE, TAKING A RECORD VOTE AND SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED RATE.

MAY I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? COUNCILMAN KINLAW.

SO MOVED.

MAYOR, MAY I GET A SECOND? COUNCILMAN ETT? SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED.

AND SECOND THAT WE WOULD APPROVE PR NUMBER 2 3 8, 7 0.

AS PRESENTED, WE ARE READY FOR QUESTION.

THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? MAYOR, WE NEED A ROLL CALL.

VOTE ON THIS ONE.

OH, OH, EXCUSE ME.

RECORD.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU DO HAVE IT HERE.

I JUST LOOKED OVER THAT.

ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.

MAYOR PROTE BECKHAM.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER DEAT? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER KINLAW? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS? YES.

MAYOR BARTE? YES.

MAYOR PASSES.

THANK YOU SO KINDLY.

NOW

[III.A. (2) P.R. No. 23871 – A Resolution To Call A Public Hearing To Receive Public Comment On The Proposed Fiscal Year 2024-2025 Budget]

IT IS A RESOLUTION TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 20 24, 20 25.

BUDGET.

MAY I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? COUNCILMAN LEWIS? MOTION

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IT HAS BEEN MOVED.

AND SECOND THAT WE WOULD APPROVE PRA NUMBER 2 38 71 AS PRESENTED.

WE'RE READY FOR QUESTIONING.

THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS.

YOU'RE READY TO VOTE? ALL WELL ROLL CALL.

VOTE AGAIN.

NO.

NO.

OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR? A.

ANY OPPOSES AYES HAVE IT.

SO IT IS ORDER PR NUMBER 23 8 7 1 IS APPROVED AS PRESENTED.

NEXT WE HAVE

[III.A. (3) P.R. No. 23872 – A Resolution Of The City Of Port Arthur, Texas Designating The Officer Or Employee Responsible For Complying With Section 26.04 Of The Texas Tax Code]

HERE'S THE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, TEXAS, DESIGNATING THE OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH SECTION 26.04 OF THE TEXAS TAX CODE.

MAY I GET A MOTION? AND, UH, CITY SECRETARY, DO YOU HAVE TO PRESENT THE NAME OR WE JUST DO THE RESOLUTION AND IF INDIVIDUAL IS SELECTED? UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THIS.

SUBSEQUENT TO THE, OKAY, THANK YOU SO KINDLY.

MAY I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF COUNCILMAN KEN LAW? SO MORE MAYOR, MAY I GET A SECOND? COUNCILMAN LEWIS IS REMOVED.

AND SECOND THAT WE WOULD APPROVE PR NUMBER 2 38 72 AS PRESENTED.

WE'RE READY FOR QUESTIONING.

THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? A ANY OPPOSES AYES HAVE IT.

SO THE ORDER RESOLUTION 2 38 72 IS APPROVED AS READ.

AND FINALLY

[III.B. (1) P.O. No. 7265 – An Ordinance Approving The Appraisal Rolls For The Year 2024 And Receiving Determinations From The Tax Assessors Under Section 26.04 Of The Texas Property Tax Code]

MAY I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MAYOR PROTE MOVED.

MAY I GET A SECOND? COUNCILMAN DOUCETTE? SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED.

AND SECOND THAT WE WOULD APPROVE PEO 72 65 AS PRESENTED.

WE'RE READY FOR QUESTION.

THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'RE READY TO VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSES AYES HAVE.

SO IS ON PO NUMBER 72 65 IS APPROVED AS PRESENTED.

WE'LL NOW

[II. WORKSHOP]

AND I WOULD ASSUME WE WILL BEGIN CITY MANAGER.

YES, WE ARE.

READY? YES.

YES, MAYOR.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE, THE VENDOR THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO YOU, IT'S MUCH SMALLER.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH ALL THE ACCOUNTS THAT ARE BALANCED AT THIS POINT AND, UM, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LABEL THEM FOR YOU WITHIN THE PAGES SO THAT YOU COULD GO THROUGH THEM IN THE PAST.

WE JUST GIVE YOU ONE THING, AND IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO CONSUME, BUT AS COUNCILMAN DOUCETTE INDICATED, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU IN CHUNKS AND SO THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT IT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD COME BACK TO IT AND YOU CAN DIGEST IT, UM, THAT, THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, THERE ARE THREE ACCOUNTS THAT ARE NOT PRESENT AT THIS POINT, AND ONE IS THE SOLID WASTE ACCOUNT, TWO IS THE TRANSIT, AND THREE IS A PLEASURE ISLAND ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT AND THEY'RE NOT BALANCED, BUT WE WILL, AS SOON AS WE GET THAT DONE TODAY, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU AND WE'LL ADD IT TO IT AS WELL.

UM, WHEN WE HAVE DONE THAT, WE WILL TRANSITION TO THE CAPITAL ACCOUNTS WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE CAPITAL REQUESTS BEING MADE AND, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED IN THE PAST SO THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU A VERY CLEAR IDEA AS TO WHAT HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED AND WHAT WE ARE MOVING ON TO.

UM, WITHOUT CONFUSING YOU TOO MUCH, UM, WE, UM, UM, INFORMATION AND THE THIRD PART OF IT THAT WE WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH IS WITH THE GENERAL FUND.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN DO.

SAID SAYS HE WANTS TO SHOW, UM, UM, EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES WHERE THEY'RE LISTED AND WE HAVE ALL THOSE THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TO YOU, BUT WE WILL DO THAT SEPARATELY INSTEAD OF JUST GIVING YOU, UM, JUST A BUNDLE OF INFORMATION SO THAT YOU HAVE THE TIME AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH IT AND, UM, TO, TO LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WHAT WE ARE PROVIDING YOU, UM, IS CREDIBLE AND IT'S EASY TO READ, IT'S EASY TO READ.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN FOCUS THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY.

SO WE HAVE ALL THESE, WE HAVE ALL THESE ACCOUNTS AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, AND, UM, YOU, YOU, UM, YOU'RE FREE TO LOOK AT IT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY

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I KNOW, UM, LYNN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS, UM, AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED, SO THAT WE CAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THE QUESTIONS? I ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOLID WASTE IN HERE.

YOU, YOU DID.

OKAY, LET'S TRY THIS ONE OUT BECAUSE IT'S INCLUDED.

SO WE JUST HAVE TWO MORE COUNTS, TRANSIT AND PLEASURE ISLAND THAT WE NEED TO BALANCE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND AS I, SO HERE, EXCUSE ME, SIR.

OKAY.

COUNCILMAN, UH, KEN, I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU.

SO CITY MANAGER.

SO WE'RE GONNA WALK THE DOG TO EXACTLY LIKE YOU HAVE IT ON THE TYPE OF CONTENTS, HOW YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND ENSURE THAT WE ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE, YOU COULD DO RANDOM DETAILS.

OKAY.

YOU JUST, UM, YOU SEE SOMETHING, YOU JUST PULL IT OUT AND THEN WE, WE GET TO THE PAGE AND WE'LL EXPLAIN.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE TO, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, JUST BRING ATTENTION TO, YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL ACCOUNTS OR FUNDS THAT ARE IN HERE THAT HADN'T BEEN HERE IN THE PAST.

AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I HAVE BROUGHT TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET.

IT'S MY FEELING THAT IF WE'RE SPENDING ANY CITY DOLLARS, THAT THOSE ALSO NEED TO BE APPROPRIATED.

SO IF YOU SEE SOMETHING NEW IN HERE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SPENT AND I'VE MADE A VERY CONCERTED EFFORT TO MAKE SURE AMENDMENTS ARE THERE FOR YOU TO APPROPRIATE FOR 24.

THEY ARE NOW INCLUDED IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

I BELIEVE THEY START AT RIGHT AFTER, I WANT TO SAY THEY START AFTER THE TURS, THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT.

SO IT MAY BE INTERSPERSED IN THERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

THE VERY, I'M SORRY, GO RIGHT AHEAD.

THE EDC BUDGET IS BALANCED.

THEY HAVE NOT FULLY ADOPTED THEIR BUDGET YET, SO IT'S THEIR DRAFT.

HOWEVER WE'VE MADE IT.

ALSO, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE EDC THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

IT WILL STILL BE BALANCED BY THE END IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, I WILL BRING THOSE TO YOUR ATTENTION.

OKAY.

COUNCILMAN ETT? WELL, I WAS GOING THROUGH IT.

OKAY.

REALLY ALL I'M LOOKING AT IS THINGS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT, INCREASE OR DECREASE.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT.

SO IF IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OR SIGNIFICANT DECREASE, THEN THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE.

YOU'RE TALKING LANDFILL, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH ONE.

YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT LANDFILL UNDER REVENUE.

WE S FUNDS FOUR, THREE REVENUE.

UH, WE GOT, UH, 1 MILLION AND 114,000.

YOU GOT AS A, WHAT? IT IS A MISCELLANEOUS INCOME.

WHAT IS THAT GOING TO BE? B ARE YOU ON PAGE ONE? WAIT, WAIT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME? THERE'S A SEPARATE PAGE.

WELL, I, I, OH, I, OKAY.

I NO, NO ONE.

IT'S ONE.

SO YOU, IT IS ONE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, AT THE TOP, TOP, UH, MISCELLANEOUS.

MM-HMM.

.

THE FIRST THING SAYS MISCELLANEOUS INCOME, RIGHT? UNDER REVENUE AND

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THAT'S 1 MILLION AND SOMETHING, YEAH.

1,047,000.

OKAY.

UH, WHAT IS THAT STAND? THIS, THIS IS THE ATTORNEY'S STILL WORKING ON THIS ONE.

THIS IS FOR THE METHANE PROJECT THAT YOU APPROVED FOR THE, FOR THE LANDFILL WHERE WE, UH, WE WILL BE SELLING THE METHANE GAS, UM, TO THE COMPANY.

SO WE ARE PROJECTING, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MILLION AND SOMETHING, WELL, ACTUALLY THEY'LL GIVE US $2 MILLION, BUT OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME WE'RE GOING TO BE KEEPING $1 MILLION OFF IT.

AND, UM, IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO PERCENTAGES.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THEM BACK CERTAIN PERCENTAGES OVER A PERIOD OF VIEW, BUT OFF THE BAT WE WILL GET A MILLION DOLLARS OFF THE BAT.

OKAY.

THEY'LL WRITE US A CHECK.

I UNDERSTAND.

SO, OKAY, THEN THAT'S ON THE, ALRIGHT.

GOT IT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

UH, LET'S GO DOWN TO ADMINISTRATION.

OKAY.

WHY DID WE AT 1,637,000 ADMINISTRATION EXPENSES AND OTHER USES FIRST LINE ITEM, COUNCILMAN DOUCETTE? I AM SO GLAD THIS IS A DRAFT ON PAGE TWO.

IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE 397.

5 84.

WE WILL GET THAT CORRECTED.

OKAY.

I SEE WHERE YOU GOT THREE ON THE SECOND ONE.

ALL RIGHT? YES SIR.

SO THIS GOING TO BE FIXED 3 9 3 9 7.

OKAY, SO, RIGHT.

I SAW IT ON THE SECOND PAGE.

IN FACT, I, UH, IT IS UNDER ADMINISTRATION EXPENDITURES BY DIVISION.

OKAY.

THAT'S, YOU'RE SAYING 3 97, THAT ONE THERE? YES.

AND THAT'S ALSO REFLECTED DETAILED ON PAGE THREE.

OKAY.

DETAILED PAGE THREE.

OKAY, WELL, I KNOW THAT, YEAH, I HAD GOTTEN THAT.

OKAY.

UH, TRASH COLLECTION PAGE FOUR ON THE TOTAL SUPPLY OF THE MATERIAL.

OKAY.

ON THE TRASH.

UH, YEAH.

UH, TRASH COLLECTION.

MM-HMM.

, PAGE FOUR.

YEAH.

UH, UNDER SUPPLIES AND MATERIAL AND MATERIAL, WE ARE GOING TO, WE, UH, BUDGETED 35,000.

WE ESTIMATED WE GOING TO END UP SPENDING 48,000 AND, UH, WE BUDGETING NOW FOR 135,000.

OKAY.

YOU GO AHEAD.

BRIAN WENT DOWN TO GET THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES.

IF WE COULD JUST COME BACK TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.

OH, SURE.

LET ME, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T GET ME WRONG, THAT'S WHAT THE WORKSHOP IS FOR.

I'M NOT, I JUST WANT TO GET THESE ANSWERED AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, THEN THAT'S FINE WITHOUT ME THE ANSWER.

SO THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

I'LL MAKE A NOTE AND YOU ALL CAN MAKE A NOTE.

IT'S NOT THAT IT HAS TO BE ANSWERED NOW, 'CAUSE WE GOT ANOTHER WORKSHOP AND ANY AND ANYTHING WE DON'T ANSWER TODAY, THEN I'LL JUST PUT A MARK BY IT FOR MY QUESTION AND I'LL BRING IT BACK AT ANOTHER WORKSHOP.

OKAY.

UH, I'LL LET, I'LL LET, UH, YOU GOT IT.

OKAY.

WHAT IS IT? UNDER, UNDER THE MINOR EQUIPMENT, THE INCREASE TO 35,000 IS A RESULT OF A TIRE CUTTER IN CANOPY FOR WORKERS.

THE 80,000 FOR THE FUEL AND LUBRICATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON A 4% INFLATION.

AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ACTUALS FOR 2022.

THEY SEEM AWFULLY HIGH.

I BELIEVE THAT THE 25 BUDGET REQUEST IS INDICATIVE OF WHERE THEY MIGHT

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ALRIGHT.

OKAY, LET'S LOOK, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT TEMPORARY SERVICE, UH, UNDER CONTRACTOR SERVICE SERVICES, .

YES.

YEP.

I DON'T HAVE THEIR REASON ON THE, THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME.

I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WERE WANTING TO DO WITH THAT 250,000.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

UH, THESE, THE FUEL AND LUBRICATION, RIGHT? AND MINING EQUIPMENT.

UH, LET'S, LET'S STAY ON PAGE FIVE.

LOOK, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT HOW WE, HOW WE DOING IT AND I JUST, HOW WE GOING TO END UP THIS YEAR WITH LIKE, THEY GOT 61.

I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE WE STILL GOT SEVERAL MONTHS LEFT IN FUEL.

THEY BURN IT EVERY DAY AND STUFF.

BUT WHAT ARE WE PROJECTING? WE GOING TO END UP, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, WE GOT AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, WE GOT, WE GOT, UH, SIX MORE WEEKS AND RIGHT NOW WE ESTIMATING IT TO BE 61,000.

THAT'S SOME SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE.

WE SHOULD HAVE HAD MORE FUELS BURNT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THAT WOULD BE AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART ON THE ESTIMATES.

I OKAY THEN NO PROBLEM.

DIDN'T PUT THOSE IN BECAUSE THEY'RE ESTIMATES I FOCUSED STRICTLY ON WITH THE PAST AND THE CURRENT REQUEST.

I WILL MAKE THAT CORRECTION.

WELL, WELL, WELL, MY THING IS, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, MAJOR DIFFERENCES.

LIKE I SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S ESTIMATED, SO I'M NOT REALLY HARD ON ESTIMATED BECAUSE THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

BUT AT THIS POINT OF THE YEAR, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE CLOSER.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

YOU CAN THROW ANY NUMBER, ANY NUMBER THAT DON'T MATTER WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT COLUMN IS.

THE LAST IS THE LAST DAY OF SEPTEMBER.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT I'M GONNA BE CARRYING ON.

KEN, YOU GOT SOMETHING? YEAH, THANK YOU.

I'M GONNA GO BACK THROUGH SOME MORE.

I'M GONNA KEEP ROLLING.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, CITY MANAGER, UH, DIRECTOR.

LET ME, LET ME SHOOT BACK TO, UH, ON PAGE EIGHT EIGHT.

YES SIR.

THE, YEAH, THE GOLF COURSE FUND.

AND THEN WE WERE TALKING WITH THE, THE INCREASE AS WELL.

UH, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THE ESTIMATE LAST YEAR, UH, FISCAL YEAR WAS 55 6 AND NOW IT'S 150,000.

SO CAN SOMEONE GIMME SOME, UH, DIRECTIVES OF WHY ALMOST A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, $90,000 INCREASE, UH, WITH THAT, UH, UNDERSTANDING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR AS A CITY TO, TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, M AND U AND THE M AND O.

SO, UH, CAN SOMEONE ELABORATE WHY AND HOW? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE, WE'VE ALWAYS BUDGETED, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, DR.

THIGPEN, WE'VE ALWAYS BUDGETED ABOUT 50,000 FOR NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS ON THE GOLF COURSE SINCE WE ARE THE OVERSEERS OF THAT GOLF COURSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO INCREASE THAT ALMOST 90,000.

SO, YOU KNOW, COULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT TO MELINA? I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IN SPITE OF THE, IN SPITE OF WHOEVER GETS THE CONTRACT FOR THE NEW GOLF COURSE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO ATTEND TO IS THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM ON THE ENTIRE GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE HAVE ALWAYS CATERED FOR THAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GOLF COURSE.

YOU KNOW, NOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AS WELL

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UM, WE HAD UNDERTAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ELECTRICALS ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

AND, UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME SORT OF SUBSIDING OF THE ELECTRICAL PANELS INTO THE WATER AND UH, I KNOW THAT HAD COST QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS IN EXCESS OF $50,000.

SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR THINGS WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT OUT THERE FOR THE GOLF COURSE.

UM, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, MAYBE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OR SEE WHETHER YOU WANT TO TRANSFER THAT.

YEAH, AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

SEE, AND I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.

I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA TRY TO LOOK INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FOR THOSE ITEMS BECAUSE THE PANEL, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU AND I AND, AND, AND, UH, DR.

, WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE BEFORE TO SEE THAT IT'S SUBSIDING YES.

ON THE SIDE OF THE BANK THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE UNSAFETY ACTS OF THAT.

UH, JUST, JUST FOR REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THOSE BRIDGES THAT WE'VE HAD OUT THERE, OVER A HUNDRED SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE, THE ABILITIES, YOU KNOW, TO MAINTAIN THOSE THINGS.

UH, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST, UH, PROLIFIC, UM, UH, GOLF COURSES IN THE AREA, MOST PLAYED IN THE AREA.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT IT IS BEING EFFECTIVE AND, AND, AND OUR SAFETY'S CONCERNED.

SO IF YOU CAN, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THOSE TWO PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED.

SO, BUT I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT IF IT'S BUDGETED, IT'S, IT'S FOR THOSE TWO OBJECTS.

UH, THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, UH, PAGE NINE.

PAGE NINE, UH, MUNICIPAL COURT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOTAL REVENUES.

UH, IT WAS ESTIMATED, UH, IT WAS 5,500 AND THEN NOW IT'S 30,000.

YOU KNOW WHAT WE CONTRIBUTE THAT TO THE, THE INCREASE OF, UH, REVENUES THAT'S BEING GENERATED IN MUNICIPAL COURT.

AND, AND I MEAN, BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT, UH, DIRECTOR, ARE WE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING THAT GIVES US THE DETAIL SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS AND ASK YOU GUYS THESE, IF WE HAD THIS, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ASKING THESE DETAILED QUESTIONS LIKE THAT.

SO, UH, I DO HAVE MY LAST YEAR BUDGET, UH, AND I SEE, UH, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THEIRS AS WELL.

UH, WE GO OVER THIS BUDGET AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SPENDING MONEY WISELY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE GET THE, SOME TYPE OF ITEMIZED, UH, UH, DETAIL SPREAD ON WHY THE INCREASE OF WHY NOT THE INCREASE, WHY'S THE DECREASE, THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, LET JUST BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

'CAUSE I'M TAKING NOTES.

WE, WE DON'T WANNA PROLONG IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE LOOK AT AN ACTUALS AND COMPARES BETWEEN COMPATIBLES FROM BUDGET TO BUDGET.

I ACTUALLY HAVE THE REASONS THAT WERE PUT IN HERE FOR THE 25,000 INCREASE THAT IS DUE TO IT REQUESTS SETTING UP TWO COLLECTION SPECIALISTS AND COURTROOM EQUIPMENT, UPGRADE THE OTHER SUPPLIES AND MATERIAL FOR 5,000 IS INCREASING ADDED BACK IN LINE ITEM WHEN THERE WERE NO ELECTIONS THIS YEAR, ANTICIPATING THREE TO FOUR FOR NEXT YEAR.

RIGHT.

PART OF IT WOULD BE THE, THE SOFTWARE THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT.

25.

25,000.

YES.

I THINK IT'S SIMILAR TO THE PARKS AND RECREATIONS DEPARTMENT WHEN WE GET TO IT.

OKAY.

UH, MAYOR, I DEFER AT THIS TIME.

OKAY.

COUNCILMAN DO SAID YOU SAID YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE.

UH, WHO ELSE? BAY YOU GOT ANYTHING YOU WANT BEFORE I START AGAIN? GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UH, I THINK THAT'S GONNA, UH, HELP US A LOT WHAT COUNCILMAN KENARD SAID.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE, WHEN I SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OR A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE, THEN I, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO AND FIND OUT WHAT IT IS.

THAT'S WHY, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE PUT MONEY INTO ADMINISTRATION, THAT'S A POPULAR, THAT'S A POPULAR CO UH, COLUMN, ADMINISTRATION, PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, UH, CONTRACTS, THOSE TYPE THINGS.

UH, WE NEED TO HAVE THE SEPARATE.

AND I, UH, IT'S, I THINK YOU TALK ABOUT MENTIONING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE IN THE CAPITAL STUFF WHERE IT'LL BE BROKE

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AND ONCE WE GET THAT, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THE BREAKDOWN IN ITSELF TOO.

YOU KNOW? SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION BY THE TIME WE DO THE FINAL WORK WORKSHOP, THAT THAT'LL PRETTY MUCH ANSWER THE QUESTIONS LOOKING AT THE, UH, A DC.

YES.

NO, 25, I THINK IT'S 25 FIRST.

UH, AND THE SAME THING WITH THE SIGNIFICANCE INCREASE, UH, WHEN YOU ALL TALK TO THEM.

UH, SO WHEN IT COMES BACK, THEY CAN HAVE SOMEBODY TO, UH, COVER THOSE SIGNIFICANT, INCREASE THE DECREASES.

SO WHEN THEY EXPLAIN IT TO US, THEN WE'LL UNDERSTAND IT'LL BE OKAY.

BUT UNLESS THEY CAN EXPLAIN IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S 'CAUSE UH, SUPPLIES AND MATERIAL IS ALWAYS UP TO THE HIGHEST THEY EVER ESTIMATED WAS THIS YEAR.

85,000 YOU COULD SAY.

BUT NOW THEY WANT TO ADOPT SOMETHING FOR 363, UH, UH, 366.

OKAY.

MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, WE GO FROM ONE 30, NOW IT'S TO 517.

OKAY? THAT'S ALMOST FOUR TIMES.

THAT'S OKAY.

UM, CONTRACTOR SERVICE, UH, WHAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD AND THEN WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT NOW, YOU KNOW, IS, UH, CONSIDERABLE HIGHER.

YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING ALL THE WAY TO FIVE 70.

SO THEY SHOULD DO BASICALLY THE SAME THING THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DO.

UH, THEY, THEY COULD EITHER HAVE US THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT BREAKS IT DOWN ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE MONEY INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING IT IN A PILE.

AND, UH, WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SEE, UH, COUNCILMAN DOUCETTE, YES.

THEY HAVE A, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BREAKDOWN IN EACH OF THEIR BREAKDOWNS THAT I BELIEVE THEY'VE INCORPORATED FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING BECAUSE OF HOW OUR SYSTEM WORKS IN MUNI, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO THIS YEAR, WE WEREN'T UNABLE TO SEPARATE IT OUT.

HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE THAT DOCUMENTATION OF HOW EACH OF THEIR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS TRANSLATE INTO WHAT IS IN HERE.

AND I WONDERED IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THEIR EDC BOARD.

IT JUST DID NOT TRANSLATE WELL INTO OUR SYSTEM.

I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, BUT IT WAS HARD TO INCORPORATE IT PARTICULARLY IN THE WAY WE DO OUR BUDGETS.

WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IF YOU GIVE US THAT, THEN THAT, THAT'D BE SUFFICIENT WHEN I LOOK AT THAT ONE BEFORE I VOTE ON IT, THAT'S GOOD.

KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'M ONLY, I'M ONLY INTERESTED IN IF YOU ARE INCREASING, IF DECREASING, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY.

AND, UH, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY THAT WE, THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE BUDGET IS A, IS FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATING THING.

AND WE ARE NOT JUST PUTTING MONEY IN BUDGETS, LIKE I SAID, CONTRACTOR, UH, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, UH, UH, MARKETING.

WE, WE, WE GOT A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE PUT INTO A TITLE YOU COULD SAY, BUT WE WANT IT PLANNED.

OKAY, THIS IS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.

THIS IS WHAT WE GOING TO DO.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE PUT THE MONEY IN THERE GEARED TO OUR DADDY.

AND IF WE DO THAT, THEN THAT'S OKAY.

SOME THINGS MAY BE IN THE GRAY AREA, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT FOR ALL PARTS, WHENEVER THINGS COME TO US TO APPROVE AS A COUNCIL AND FORM OF RESOLUTION OR STUFF, THEN THAT SHOULD BE NO QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WE KNOW THE MONEY WAS ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT PURPOSE.

SO THEY NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION AND HAVE SOMEBODY HERE AT OUR WORKSHOP SO THAT IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEY COULD CLARIFY US.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT HERE TO UH, UH, GO THROUGH THEIR BUDGET LIKE OURS.

THAT'S, THEY HAVE A BOARD TO DO THAT.

I DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY SOMETHING AND IT'S LOOK OUTTA WAY JUST 'CAUSE THE BOARD DIDN'T LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THE BOARDS ARE, ARE CITIZENS AND STUFF AND WE GOT THE TOTAL AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP.

I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I BRING THAT INFORMATION AND INFORM THE CEO TO COME AT THAT TIME AS WELL.

RIGHT.

THEY SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS SO THAT WE COULD BE CLEAR.

SO WHEN IT'S TIME TO, UH, APPROVE THAT BUDGET, THEN

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AND THEN WHEN WE GET THINGS COMING TO US DURING THE YEAR, WE, WE CAN ALSO EQUATE TO THAT BECAUSE IT COULD BE A MISTAKE AS WELL.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT, I, IF YOU GO TO PAGE 27 AND LET'S LOOK AT COMPUTER PROGRAMS 22,000, 28,042, THEN IT JUMPS TO FIVE OH NINE, FIVE HUNDRED AND NINE A MILLION DOLLARS, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH SIGNIFICANT.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SEE.

WELL, WELL NOW THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, UH, IF, IF YOU MAKING A JUMP LIKE THAT, THE NSBE, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU PLANNING ON DOING TO CREATE THAT AMOUNT.

SO WHATEVER YOU PLAN ON DOING, WE SHOULD KNOW.

PUT RIGHT.

PUT IT DOWN.

BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT MONEY IN A BUDGET AND THEN JUST SAY, WELL I GOT MONEY HERE NOW.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT FOR BOTH.

I WAS AND THEIRS, YOU KNOW, WE PUT MONEY IN A BUDGET FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR TO DO THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO AND WE SHOULD PLAN FOR IT.

THAT'S IT.

YEAH.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF 'EM.

AND, UH, WHEN THEY BRING THEM TO OTHERS, WE DO BASICALLY THE SAME THING.

I TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN DO THAT, THAT CAN HELP ME.

AND I I GUESS THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, AS YOU GET THE REST OF 'EM RIGHT, THE REMAINDER, IF YOU COULD GET IT TO HER, IF, IF YOU COULD GET IT TO US AS YOU'VE COME UP WITH 'EM, THAT'LL GIVE US CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.

SO THEN WHEN WE DO MEET AGAIN, WE DON'T TAKE ENOUGH TIME.

LIKE I WAS GOING THROUGH IT TODAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ASK, GO THROUGH IT SO WHEN WE COME, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO READ AND STUFF.

WE CAN HAVE IT ALL FLIPPED THROUGH WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT, YOU KNOW.

'CAUSE UH, THE REST OF IT, I'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND, AND SEE AND IN CASES WILL WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT, IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES, JUST PROVIDE WITH ONE SHEET PITCH THIS, THIS IS THE AMOUNT AND THIS IS WHAT IT JUMPED TO WITH AN EXPLANATION.

YEAH.

I TELL YOU.

SO YOU JUST FLIP THROUGH IT AND YOU LOOK AT IT.

YEAH, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW.

NOW YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL ABOUT BUDGET.

A LOT OF TIME WHEN YOU DO BUDGET, ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OR DECREASE IS WHAT WE, WE GET PRESENTED.

YOU GET THAT.

EVERYTHING ELSE WE ARE LOOKING AT PRIOR YEARS AND IT'S, AS LONG AS THINGS RUNNING WITH THE LITTLE NORMAL INCREASE IN COST OF LIVING AND COST OF DOING BUSINESS, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

BUT ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OR A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE, WE NEED TO KNOW.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, COUNCILMAN LEWIS? YES.

MUNICIPAL COURT.

WHAT ABOUT THE WARRANTS OUTSTANDING? ANYBODY GOT AN IDEA? HOW MUCH IS IN OUTSTANDING WARRANTS? ARE WE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT? WE COULD READ THE NOTE OF THAT.

SO FOR THE REVENUE PART OF IT TO SEE HOW MUCH IS OUTSTANDING.

OKAY.

UM, WE COULD ASK THE CITY SECRETARY TO, FOR THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO PROVIDE US WITH SOMETHING.

OKAY.

DO WE HAVE A WARRANT OFFICER HANDLING THAT OR WHAT? HOW IS HANDLING? YES, I THINK SO.

OKAY.

YEAH.

YES.

OKAY.

YES.

MM-HMM? .

ALRIGHT.

YEAH.

MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, PLEASE.

OKAY.

UH, MAY I APPROACH THEM? THANK YOU.

UM, LOOKING AT PAGE 12, THE HEALTH SPECIAL FUND, AND I'VE DONE THE SAME THING.

I'VE JUST LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF LINE ITEMS THAT HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT JUMPS, UH, REGULAR EARNINGS, EXTRA HELP, RETIREMENT AND OTHER SUPPLIES AND MATERIAL.

IF WE COULD JUST GET SOME EXPLANATION ON EACH OF THOSE.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

HOLD UP.

MM-HMM.

.

AND THAT'S YOU.

OKAY.

YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THE ANSWER FOR, FOR THAT LATER.

OKAY.

UH, COUNCIL KINLOCK.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, RON ON PREVIOUS, UH, BUDGETS, UH, ADOPTED BUDGETS, WE HAVE THE CIP.

SO ARE YOU GONNA PRESENT IT AT A LATER? OH YES.

OH YEAH.

WE, WE GONNA BRING THIS.

I'M LOOKING FOR THAT TOO NOW.

YEAH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THAT IN DETAIL.

SO YOU WANT THAT IN DE IT TO BE YEAH, BECAUSE YEAH, THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA DO.

I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MANDU SAID, WAS STATED THE LAST TIME WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

IT WAS WHAT WAS FUNDED FOR THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE THE WISHLIST THAT'S ATTACHED IN THE, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BUDGET FOR OTHER YEARS.

WE WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT AS YOU GO AHEAD AND, UM, YOU ARE

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SO WHAT WE WILL DO, WE WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AS TO WHAT YOU EXPEND ON AND AS TO WHERE YOU ARE IN TERMS OF EXECUTING THE PROJECT OR THE PROGRAM.

AND THIS IS WHAT IT'LL TAKE TO CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

IF IT'S IN THE CONSTRUCTION FEES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT IS GONNA TAKE TO DO IT.

A TYPICAL EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE FIRE STATIONS.

REMEMBER WE DECIDED TO DO FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE IN THE PORT ACRES AREA, BUT YOU HAD A COMMITMENT TO DO FIRE STATION TWO ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH WE WILL USE THE SAME DRAWINGS FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS FOR FIRE FIRE STATION THREE.

SO YOU CALLS.

YES.

RIGHT.

SO WE, UH, WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO.

WE'LL REMIND YOU ABOUT THAT.

YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE ALONG, YOU KNOW, IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND WE'LL ACTUALLY LIST IT OUT, WE WILL ALSO LIST OUT A LIST OF VEHICLES AND, UM, EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED FOR THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.

UM, THOSE THAT WE NEED TO RETURN INTO THE POOL FOR ENTERPRISE, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE THAT THE NEW EQUIPMENT WE INTEND TO PURCHASE, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE INTEND TO REMOVE OUT OF CIRCULATION, UM, THAT'S PRESENTLY BEING USED.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

COUNCILMAN ETT, WE TALK ABOUT VEHICLES AND AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, DO WE ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENTS WHEN THEY'RE REQUIRING VEHICLES? DO WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE PERSON THAT'S GONNA BE ASSIGNED THIS VEHICLE, WHAT IS THAT PERSON'S ACTUAL JOB? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY JUST DRIVING AROUND INSPECTING, YOU KNOW, WHY DO THEY NEED TO HAVE A FULL SIZE PICKUP TRUCK WITH A V EIGHT AND THEY'RE NOT CARRYING NOTHING? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, I SEE A LOT OF FOLKS, THEY GOT THE TRUCKS, THEY DON'T CARE.

NOTHING.

I MEAN, IF YOU ARE A SUPERVISOR AND YOU'RE CARRYING STUFF, YES.

YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE GET START GETTING VEHICLES THAT ARE MORE IN COMMEMORATE WITH WHAT A PERSON DO.

I KNOW THE, UH, CALLING FORTH MY THING DONE AT GOOD, GOOD JOB OF THAT.

THEY WENT FROM TRUCKS.

I THINK THEY WENT TO LITTLE CARS.

YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER DOING.

AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY GOT VEHICLES THAT NEED VEHICLES? YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY DON'T NEED A VEHICLE.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY GOT A VEHICLE, SO EVERYBODY RIDE AROUND 'EM.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY VEHICLES, THEY HAD TO WAIT TILL THE VEHICLE COME.

MAY, MAY.

MAYBE WE GET SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT THE MANAGEMENT LEVEL, NOT AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL.

BECAUSE DEPARTMENTS OH, OH, WE GET ANOTHER VEHICLE.

OH YEAH, WE COULD ADD ANOTHER VEHICLE.

YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THAT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEREBY EVERYBODY WANTED A VEHICLE.

SO WE SAW NO, YOU KNOW, PATROLS, YES, BUT YOU PUT SOME IN THE POOL, PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE, THEY WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE, JUST GO OUT IN THE POOL AND GET ONE OF THE POOL VEHICLES.

BUT EVERYBODY DON'T NEED A VEHICLE.

EVERYBODY HAD A VEHICLE, EVERYBODY TAKING IT HOME, GIMME A BREAK.

AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE CITY AND WHEN WE BUYING VEHICLES, WE BUY VEHICLES IN THE CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT THE VEHICLE IS NEEDED AND THE, AND WHATEVER'S GONNA BE ASSOCIATED WITH, INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY SAYING, WE LIKE THIS KIND OF VEHICLE, OR WE WANT THIS KIND OF VEHICLES COUNCIL MEMBER UCED.

UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

THIS IS A, THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE HAD, UM, SEVERAL OCCASIONS, UM, IN RESPONSE TO, UM, THE STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE ABOUT THE VEHICLES REALLY NEED TO BE, UM, CAN KIND OF MATCH THE JOB, IF YOU WILL.

UM, POST COVID, WE WERE HAVING A DIFFICULTY IN GETTING VEHICLES.

SO IN SOME DEPARTMENTS YOU'LL SEE THESE, UM, DOUBLE CAB TRUCKS AND I WILL USE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE DOUBLE CAB TRUCKS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY THING AVAILABLE DURING THAT PERIOD.

UM, BUT WE WILL GO BACK AND ANALYZE THAT.

AND FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT REALLY COULD UTILIZE THOSE TRUCKS, IT MAY BE SIMPLE THAT WE KIND OF SWAP OUT AND GET MORE SMALLER, MORE ECONOMICAL VEHICLES FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

AS YOU STATED THAT DON'T,

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YEAH.

LIKE I SAID, I'M, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ABOUT THE WHAT'S IN THE PAST, THE PAST.

I DON'T DWELL ON PAST.

I JUST TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO.

MM-HMM.

TO, TO BE MORE EFFICIENT GOING FORWARD.

WHAT WE DID IS IMMATERIAL, TO ME IT'S, WE JUST HAVE TO COME TO A CONSENSUS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL.

IT'S GONNA BE COST SAVING AND WE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE MONEY A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY IN OUR LEVEL.

WE, WE'D BE ABLE TO CONTROL WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE AND STUFF.

OKAY.

BUT, UH, I'M GLAD YOU ALL DECIDE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

YEAH.

WITH THE INPUT OF THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SHIFTED A GREAT BEAT FROM, UM, PURCHASING THESE VEHICLES TO ACTUALLY GOING TO ENTERPRISE WHERE WE CAN LEASE THEM.

YOU KNOW, SO BY THE TIME WE GET TO TWO YEARS, WE GIVE IT BACK TO THEM.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST SAVINGS, IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

YEAH.

I I, I HEARD WHEN, WHEN YOU FIRST WENT TO THAT, SO THAT IS WORKING OUT GOOD.

YES.

YES, IT IS WORKING OUT GOOD.

OKAY.

WHAT ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THOSE RENTAL VEHICLES? HOW THAT WORKS? IT GOES BACK IT GOES, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

WERE YOU, WERE YOU REFERENCING MAINTAINING THE VEHICLES, DID YOU SAY? RIGHT, RIGHT.

THE RENTALS, THEY'RE, IT'S ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THE PRICE.

THEY'RE REQUIRED EVERY TIME THAT THERE'S A MAINTENANCE, THEY GET SENT A NOTICE THAT SAYS YOU NEED TO SEND YOUR VEHICLE IN FOR MAINTENANCE.

THEY DON'T MEAN ENTERPRISE IS GOING TO DO THAT.

THEY MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO SOMEPLACE RIGHT NOW AND GET YOUR VEHICLE MAINTAINED BASED ON THE MILEAGE THAT YOU HAVE OR, OR WHAT, WHAT, AND THAT ALL OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT LEASE PURCHASE.

THAT'S GSA.

YEAH.

THAT'S THE SAME JOB.

YEAH.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I MEAN, UH, THAT'S WHAT GSA IS ABOUT.

GSA THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS GSA ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THE VEHICLES.

THEY SEND 'EM OUT TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, BUT THAT VEHICLE HAS GOT TO HAVE THOSE MAINTENANCE CHECKED AT SO MANY MILES.

PERIOD.

NO, AND IFS AND BUTS ABOUT IT.

BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.

I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT OF IT.

NO, NO.

GOD.

ALRIGHT.

THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

OH, COUNCILMAN KEN LAW.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

JUST ON TO, UH, KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT.

THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE WORKING WITH GSA TYPE, UH, UH, DO SECOND KIND OF TEST TO IT AS LEADERSHIP IN THE MILITARY.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T SCHEDULE THOSE APPOINTMENTS, IF YOU DON'T MAKE THOSE APPOINTMENTS, WHAT'S THE RAMIFICATION OF OF MAINTENANCE WHEN THEY GO PAST 2,500 MILES WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, WHEN THEY PUT SOME FUEL THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PUT IN THERE, WHAT IS THE RAMIFICATION OF THAT? DO THEY STILL WARRANTY THAT VEHICLE OR WE HAVE TO PAY ADDITIONAL COSTS? THAT'S AS A, YOU KNOW, COMMANDER, I HAD ISSUES WITH THAT WORKING IN THE SYSTEM LIKE THAT.

SO CAN YOU EXPOUND ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AS A, A CITY WITH, UH, THE RENTAL, UH, ENTERPRISE? WHAT I DO HAVE IS THE POWER OF MS. LANGFORD WHEN I SEND HER THE LIST OF THE ONES THAT YOU GOT THE RIGHT, NOT BEEN YOU, THE PURSE, YOU GOT THE RIGHT PURSE.

THE ONES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IN COMPLIANCE, I SEND THOSE TO HER AND LET HER KNOW HERE ARE THE VEHICLES THAT ENTERPRISE IS SAYING HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED.

AND WE STAY ON TOP OF THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UH, REAL QUICK, CITY MANAGER, I'LL PUT YOU ON THE, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A, UM, OUTLET, BUT I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT FOR A MINUTE.

SO NEXT TIME, HOW ARE WE TRIMMING THE FAT? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME THINGS, AREAS THAT, UH, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE DOING A AND YOUR TEAM IS DOING A, A GREAT JOB AT MAKING SURE THAT WE TRIM THE FAT.

SO, UH, WHAT AREAS HAVE YOU SUGGESTED IN YOUR, IN WHICH YOUR TEAM THAT WE TRIM FAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OPENLY? YOU CAN ANSWER IT NOW OR YOU CAN ANSWER IT LATER.

UH, BUT I JUST WANNA KNOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE A CITY MANAGER YEAH.

AND YOU, THE BUCK STOP WITH YOU, BUT I DON'T PUT THE PRESSURE ON YOU NOW BECAUSE IT'S TAXPAYERS MONEY.

YEAH.

AND WE REALLY NEED SOME THINGS.

IT'S NOT WORKING.

YEAH.

I MEAN, IT'S BASED UPON WHAT WE ARE UTILIZING.

WHAT'S I GOAL? WHAT'S THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL, BUT I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT RIGHT NOW.

SO WHERE ARE YOU TRIMMING THE FED AT? I MEAN, I WANNA HEAR SOME AREAS.

I WANT TO KNOW SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED NOT TO DO ANYMORE.

WE, WE GOT TO MAKE, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS.

OKAY.

AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE.

AS YOU SAID.

IT'S TAXPAYER MONEY.

AND, AND LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, AND I'M GONNA SAY IT PUBLICLY.

THE TRASH THING IS NOT WORKING.

OKAY? IT'S NOT WORKING FOR THE PUBLIC.

THEY'RE PAYING THEIR MONEY.

THESE PEOPLE, THIS REQUIRE SERVICE.

AND IF IT HAS TO COME TO OUTSOURCING IT, I'M GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

LET US

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BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE YOU FIND SOMETIMES SLEEPING ON THE WEST SIDE IN THE TRUCK.

THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE.

SOMETIMES JUST THIS MORNING I GOT THE CALL AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE DISTRICT THAT'S NOT BEEN SERVICED.

YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT BE DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND ACCEPT THE SAME RESULTS.

YOU KNOW? AND WE, IF WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BECOME EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE ON PROVIDING OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR CONSTITUENTS WITH BETTER SERVICE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THE HARD DECISION TO DO IT.

AND I WILL MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR IS NOT AN EMPLOYMENT AGENCY.

THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR IS HERE TO DELIVER SERVICE TO ITS PEOPLE EFFICIENT SERVICE AT ALL TIMES.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO SEND A HARD MESSAGE TO OUR EMPLOYEES THAT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO.

AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR PROBLEM AT TIMES, YOU KNOW, IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IN GARBAGE, IN TRASH, IN STREETS, IN UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.

THE CITY OF HAWAII, I THINK SAID SO ONE TIME, WE ARE NOT HERE TO MAKE MONEY.

WE ARE THERE TO DELIVER A SERVICE.