Jun 20, 2024 TIRZ #1 Board of Directors Meeting

YOU, UH, JUDGE ERY, OUR NEW MEMBER OF THE TOURIST BOARD.

THIS MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.

[1. Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance]

THE TIME IS TWO 18.

I WOULD ASK THAT IF, UH, OUR NEW MEMBER, WHICH IS JUDGE GUILLORY, HE WOULD DO THE INVITATION AND THEN WE WOULD DO THE PLEDGE OF, AND WE'LL START THE MEETING PROPERLY.

YEAH.

OH, GET YOUR, UH, ALRIGHT.

OH, GRACIOUS.

GOD, WE COME NOW, LORD, TO SAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN, GOD, FOR THIS BLESSED OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN YOUR PRESENCE, GOD, TO DO THE WORK THAT YOUR HANDS HAVE CALLED US TO DO.

LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS MEETING, THAT IT BE DONE DECENTLY AND IN ORDER.

THESE ARE MANY BLESSINGS WE ASK IN JESUS NAME.

AMEN.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND SUCCESS.

THANK

[4. Introduction of new TIRZ Board Representative for Jefferson County.(Part 1 of 2).]

WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME HIM TO THE FIRST MEETING.

AND IF, UH, YOU WANT TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE MINUTES TO SAY SOMETHING, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO THAT.

AGAIN, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU, UH, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

I WANT TO THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER SENEGAL FOR THINKING ENOUGH OF ME, UH, TO BRING ME BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND TO, TO PLACE ME IN THIS POSITION.

AND THANK ALL OF YOU.

I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY.

THANK YOU, JUDGE GUILLORY.

ALRIGHT, D LET'S ESTABLISH

[2. Establishment of quorum and call to order.]

A QUORUM.

GET THIS MEETING STARTED HERE.

COUNCILMAN THOMAS KINLAW HERE.

UH, DONALD FRANK, COUNCIL MEMBER CITY OF PORT ARTHUR THURMAN.

BARTEE MAYOR, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR JOSEPH GUILLORY, TWO.

JUSTICE OF THE PEACE PRECINCT TWO.

JEFFERSON COUNTY PRESENT.

JAMES GAMBLE, COMMISSIONER JEFFERSON COUNTY, DRAINAGE DISTRICTS NUMBER SEVEN.

JOSEPH JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER SABINE NACHAS NAVIGATION DISTRICT PRESENT.

RANDY T. MARTIN COMMISSIONER, PORT OF PORT ARTHUR NAVIGATION DISTRICT.

[3. Approval of Minutes from the previous Downtown Tax Reinvestment Zone TIRZ #1 Board Meeting held on Monday, February 26, 2024 at 2:00 p.m.]

UH, NEXT, UH, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS DOWNTOWN TAX REINVESTMENT ZONE.

CHARGE NUMBER ONE BOARD MEETING HELD ON MONDAY, FEBRUARY 26TH, 2024 AT 2:00 PM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE MINUTES? CHAIRMAN, I HAVE, UH, I APPROVE.

MAY I HAVE A SECOND? ONE SECOND.

OKAY, IT'S BEEN MOVED.

AND SECOND THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM, UH, FEBRUARY 26TH, 2024 AT 2:00 PM ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME? IF THERE ARE NO DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

NEXT WE HAVE,

[4. Introduction of new TIRZ Board Representative for Jefferson County.(Part 2 of 2).]

UH, INTRODUCTION OF THE NEW TURS BOARD REPRESENTATIVE FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY.

AND I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY, ANY BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AT THIS TIME? YES, CHAIRMAN, I WOULD, UH, UM, JUDGE GUILLORY, I THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE CHARGE AND BEING A PART OF THIS GROUP.

UH, WE STARTED, UH, SOME YEARS BACK AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE PROGRESS AND I THINK INDEED WE WILL, AND I KNOW YOU WILL BE A POSITIVE ASSET TO THIS BOARD,

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BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE CHARGE, SIR.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING CURRENT AND FUTURE PROJECTS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DOWNTOWN TAX IN CURRENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.

ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, I JUST CHIME IN.

UH, HEY, IT'S BEEN A GREAT RIDE THAT WE'VE HAD IN HIS TURFS TRYING TO DO THINGS AND MOVE THIS DOWNTOWN, UH, TAXING INTO, UH, AFLOAT.

I THINK YOU WILL BE AN ASSET.

UH, JUDGE GUILLORY, UH, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE WHOLE SPECTRUM, UH, UH, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS IMPROVE THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND I HOPE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE'LL SEE, UH, A POSITIVE CHANGE.

SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME AND BEING WITH US, AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD.

[5. Discussion and possible action regarding current and future projects within the boundaries Downtown Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone (TIRZ #1).]

TUR NUMBER ONE, WHAT WE GOT.

CITY MANAGER.

AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO REPORT.

UM, THE LAST PROJECTS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, OF COURSE, WAS THE, UM, MOTIVA, UM, DEVELOPMENT.

THEY ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD, UM, WITH THE RENOVATIONS TO THE, UM, ADAMS BUILDING, ALSO KNOWN AS THE WORLD TRADE BUILDING.

UM, IN THE FEDERAL BUILDING.

UM, DURING, UM, SOMETIME BACK, UM, COUNCIL DID VOTE TO, UM, ABANDONED PORTIONS OF STREET RIGHTS OF AWAY THAT WILL BE PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND SO AGAIN, WE ARE STILL ON TRACK AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

QUESTIONS.

WELL, I, I STARTED OFF, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THEY CAN, UH, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WERE WAITING ON, UM, SOME HISTORICAL TRACK TAX CREDITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEY'VE GOTTEN THOSE BACK.

THEY'RE DOING SOME CLEANUPS OVER THERE.

SO DO WE HAVE AN, AN ACTUAL TIMEFRAME WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO START ACTUALLY SEEING A BIGGER CHANGE IN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS? UM, YES SIR.

UM, WE HAVE HAD, UM, SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH REPRESENTATIVES WITH MOTIVA REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AS YOU STATED, UM, IT WAS A PROCESS IN TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THE, UM, HISTORICAL TAX CREDITS.

UM, THEY WERE ACTUALLY DOING SOME, UM, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY STUDIES, UM, AND SUCH ON THE BUILDING TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS STABLE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY AREAS, UM, THAT NEEDED TO BE REINFORCED, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE GOTTEN BACK THOSE REPORTS AND NOW THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS THE NEXT PHASE.

UM, THAT OF COURSE INCLUDES, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE ABOVE GROUND AND, UH, UM, EVEN UNDERGROUND, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE.

THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR THEIR WATER AND SEWER TAPS.

UM, THOSE TAPS HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

UM, THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH DOING THEIR, UM, TO TEST, UM, THE SYSTEM FOR, UH, FIRE MM-HMM, , UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ALL IN PLACE.

UM, THAT'S CORRECT, FIRE SUPPRESSION.

UM, AND THEY HAVE, UM, SUBMITTED THEIR, UM, APPLICATION TO OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO START ISSUING BUILDING PERMITS.

GREAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, BOARD DIRECTORS, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? YES, I DO.

UM, CITY MANAGER.

DO WE, UH, WELL, HAVE ENGINEERS BEEN, UH, CITY ENGINEERS I SHOULD SAY, HAVE THEY BEEN, UH, HELPING, I MEAN, OR ASSISTING OR KIND OF BEING A PART OF THESE MEETINGS THAT, UH, MOTIVA'S BEEN HAVING WITH CERTAIN ENTITIES IN ORDER TO GET THINGS DONE? YES, SIR.

UM, MAINLY OUR WATER AND SANITARY SEW.

THE ENGINEERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, THEY HAVE MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF MOTIVA AND THE PROJECT MANAGER IN DISCUSSING WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AND HOW WE CAN MOVE, UM, TO GET THIS PROJECT GOING AND COMPLETED SO WE CAN START SEEING THE FOOTPRINT IN DOWNTOWN PORT ARTHUR.

BUT YES, WE HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE MEETINGS WITH CITY ENGINEERS IN MOTIVA ALONG WITH THE, UH, BUILDING'S INTEGRITY, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, UM, WITH THE BUILDING STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, THAT'S MORE OR LESS, UM, WITH MOTIVA OF, AND OF COURSE THEIR ENGINEERING STAFF.

RIGHT.

UM, IN, UM, REVIEWING THOSE REPORTS AND MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

UM, OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS, UM, ONCE WE RECEIVED, UM, ONCE WE RECEIVED THE BUILDING PLANS, THEY DO UNDERGO, UH, A, UM, REVIEW BY OUR ENGINEERING STAFF, UM, TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE CIVILS, UM, TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS AND IT MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY.

AGAIN, WE WILL CONTINUE MEETING WITH MOTIVA REPRESENTATIVES AND GETTING THOSE STATUS REPORTS AT THAT TIME.

SO NO, LIKE, UM, MONTHLY REPORTS ARE GIVEN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT CONCERNING, UM, THOSE, THOSE ISSUES THAT THEY MIGHT RUN ACROSS SO THAT YOU ALL WOULD, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WOULD BE, UH, AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT, THEY MIGHT NEED TO BE AWARE OF.

SO IT WON'T BECOME A LIABILITY, NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT ONCE, UM, FULL FLEDGED CONSTRUCTION STARTS

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, UH, WELL LET'S DO THIS.

IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET A REPRESENTATIVE FOR MOTIVA TO COME NEXT MEETING, OR, I SEE YOU'RE OUT THERE.

YES.

, COME ON UP HERE.

, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO COME ALL, ALL THE WAY HERE AND NOT SAY ANYTHING, MAN.

IT'S GOOD TO, I DON'T MIND SITTING THERE HEARING OUT .

WELL, NO, SINCE YOU'RE HERE MAN, LET, LET'S, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, GIVE US A QUICK UPDATE OR, UH, ANALYSIS OF WHAT YOU THINK IS THE POSSIBILITIES AND HOW WE ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR GUYS PROJECTS IN BUILDING THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR.

SO I'M GONNA ADDRESS THAT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FASHIONS.

INTRODUCE YOUR YOURSELF.

I'M SORRY, MY NAME IS JAY HALL WITH MOTIVA ENTERPRISES.

UM, SO ONE, THANK Y'ALL FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GOING TO, BUT, OKAY.

UM, FIRST OFF, WE WORK EXTREMELY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY RIGHT NOW WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET ALL OF THE CODE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY, THE STATE, OUR BIGGEST HOLDUP IS REALLY AROUND GETTING THE TAX CREDIT REQ REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED BECAUSE THAT'S A GIVEN GO, GIVEN BACK AND FORTH PROCESS BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

EVERY TIME WE SUBMIT NEW PLANS, THEY REVIEW AND GET 'EM BACK TO US.

THEY ARE WELL AWARE, THE CITY IS WELL AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS.

THE CURRENT PROCESS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON NOW IS THE, UH, UTILIZATION OF WATER AND THE SEWER PROCESS TO SUPPORT THAT BUILDING.

SO WE ARE MEETING WITH THEM.

I THINK WE NOW HAVE A MEETING ON THE SCHEDULE FOR WEEK AFTER NEXT THAT WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THAT, UH, TO DO, UH, REPORT OUTS ON THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, THE SEWAGE SYSTEM, DRAINAGE SYSTEM, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY.

SO EVERYTHING IS MOVING ALONG IN ACCORDANCE AS WE GET INTO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND WE START WORKING WITH THE CITY CLOSER, WE WILL START DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UP TO CODE.

RIGHT NOW WE WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGERS AND THE, OR THE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS MEETING CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS AS WE PROCEED FORWARD.

AND I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS, UH, ASBESTOS HAS BEEN ABATED, LEAD, PAINT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

ALL OF THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND UP TO CODE SO THAT, AGAIN, THAT BUILDING THOUGH IT IS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD OR GETTING CLOSE TO A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, IT CAN LAST ANOTHER A HUNDRED.

SO THAT'S OUR GOAL.

SO AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE DEVELOPMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING, AND THOUGH YOU'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON ON THE OUTSIDE, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON ON THE INSIDE.

SO THEY CONTINUE TO DO STRUCTURAL DEVELOPMENT.

IF THEY FIND A WEAK SPOT, THEY'RE FIXING IT RIGHT THERE ON THE SPOT.

QUESTIONS? YES.

MR. HALL.

AND WHAT IS YOUR POSITION AT MOTIVA? UH, STRATEGY AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR MOTIVA.

I WANTED TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION IN TERMS OF, UH, STRATEGY AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

UH, STRATEGY AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.

SO IN TERMS OF THE INITIAL PLANS OF MOTIVA IN, UH, ACTUALLY BUYING THESE PROPERTIES? MM-HMM, .

WHAT, WHAT ACTUALLY WILL MOTIVA BE USING THE BUILDINGS FOR? SO LET'S START WITH THE PRIMARY BUILDING, WHICH IS THE WORLD TRADE BUILDING OR THE ADAMS BUILDING.

OUR INTENTION IS TO, THERE'S TWOFOLD OF THAT.

LET'S START WITH MOTIVA'S INTENT FOR THAT BUILDING.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ALL OF OUR NON-OP OPERATIONAL PERSONNEL OUT OF THE REFINERY AND TRANSPORTING THEM INTO THIS BUILDING THAT ALLOWS US TO FREE UP SPACE INSIDE OF THE REFINERY FOR ADDITIONAL PROJECTS.

SO ALL OF OUR WILL ALSO BE HOLDING MEETINGS THERE, CORPORATE EVENTS, ET CETERA, IN THAT PRIMARY BUILDING.

SO THAT WILL BE OUR PRIMARY HEADQUARTERS.

THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE OPEN TO INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR DOWNTOWN.

AND I USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS A PROCESS WHERE WE CAN LEASE BACK, OFFER SPACE UP TO, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR SUCH THINGS AS A, A SANDWICH SHOP, A BANK, SOMETHING THAT WILL SUPPORT THE ACTUAL PERSONNEL THAT WILL BE IN THAT BUILDING OR THOSE THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE BUILDINGS.

SO THAT'S THE ADAMS UH, THE FEDERAL BUILDING, WHICH IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE SECOND ONE ON, ON OUR AGENDA, WILL ACTUALLY BE TURNED INTO A TRAINING CENTER AND A CONFERENCE CENTER FOR US.

SO THAT'S THE NEXT ONE ON THE AGENDA.

AND THE, UM, HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THE HEALTH BUILDING EVENTUALLY RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY HAVE JUST CLEARED THAT.

SO WE HAVE JUST TAKEN POSSESSION OF THAT, OF THE KEYS.

UH, SO NOW WE ARE IN THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT PHASE OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA DO WITH THAT BUILDING.

A LOT OF UH, GOOD ADEQUATE FLOOR PLACE TO THAT IF WE WANTED TO HAVE LARGE AGENDA MEETINGS.

MA'AM.

OUR GUT TELLS ME IT'S GONNA BE AN OPERATIONAL CENTER FOR OUR PIPELINES, OUR PIPELINE AND OPERATIONS.

AND YOU SAID THAT THE POSTAL BUILDING WILL BE, UM, TRADE CENTER AND CONFERENCE CENTER FOR WHAT? CONFERENCE CENTER FOR US WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HOLD EVENTS IF YOU WERE TO WALK IN, THERE'S

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UH, IT'S DEVELOPED.

IT'S REALLY GOT A NICE LAYOUT FOR A TRAINING, NOT TRAINING, BUT A TRAINING CENTER WHERE WE CAN START TRAINING PEOPLE THERE AS WE NEED AS WE SEE FIT.

WOULD THAT APP, WOULD THAT BE PART OF, WELL, WOULD THAT BE ACCESSIBLE? LET ME SAY THAT TO MAYBE, UH, BUSINESSES IN THE AREA OR TO, UH, ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL.

THAT IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA RIGHT NOW.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AT A LATER DATE ONCE WE GET CLOSER TO FACILITATING AN OPENING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, DIRECTORS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE.

UH, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY.

YOU GUYS GOT ANYTHING BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT? OR DEE OR TORI? ANYTHING WE GOT THAT I'M MISSING? UM, NOTHING THAT YOU'RE MISSING, BUT I'M GLAD MR. HALL BROUGHT IT UP.

UM, THE, UM, FORMER HEALTH FACILITY, UM, WE HAVE VACATED THAT BUILDING, UM, AND WE HAVE TURNED KEYS OVER TO MOTIVA AND ISSUED THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AS WELL TO MOTIVA ENTERPRISES.

SO, UM, IT IS NOW IN THEIR HANDS.

UM, AND WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD OF COURSE IN OUR NEW FACILITY ON NINTH AVENUE.

YES SIR.

CITY ATTORNEY, MR. AL, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

ALRIGHT GUYS.

TORE, YOU GOT SOMETHING? COME ON UP.

MY NAME IS BRIAN WALLACE.

I WORK IN THE CITY OF PORT ARTHUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND I'M A BUDGET ANALYST AND I'VE GOT A INTERIM FINANCIAL STATEMENT FOR Y'ALL.

UH, SHOOT.

ALRIGHT, SO EVERYTHING APPEARS TO BE ON TRACK, UH, WITH THE BUDGET, THE REVENUE FROM ENTITIES, YOU'LL SEE A ZERO THERE, BUT THAT ACTUALLY COMES LATER ON IN SEPTEMBER AND AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO THAT'S WHY IT SAYS ZERO RIGHT NOW.

BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I CAN TAKE THEM DOWN.

NO, WE'RE TRACKING UNLESS THE DIRECTORS, UH, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, DO YOU HAVE SOME? NO, SIR.

WE'RE TRACKING.

THANK YOU FOR THIS.

UH, AND THANK YOU, UH, FOR NEXT TIME, NEXT MEETING.

IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING, WE DISCUSS THE WEBSITE.

YES, YES, YES.

NO, NO, MOST DEFINITELY.

WE NEED TO DO THAT.

COME ON.

UH, TORE.

THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.

OKAY, SO THE ONLY UPDATE WE HAVE FOR THE WEBSITE IS FROM NICK HUNTER.

UM, THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED WITH NICK, WE WERE IN ATTEMPT TO GET THE WEBSITE RELEASED TO US FULLY.

MR. HUNTER HAS SENT US A NOTICE REQUESTING PAYMENT OF $2,964 TO RELEASE THE WEBSITE TO US FULLY.

HE SAYS THAT HE HAS BEEN, UM, HOSTING THE WEBSITE OUT OF CONTRACT AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL UPDATES FOR US.

SO IT IS UP TO THE BOARD OF WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO DO NEXT.

EITHER YOU CAN VACATE THE WEBSITE AND DECIDE TO GO IN-HOUSE AND HAVE OUR OWN IT DEPARTMENT DEVELOP A WEBSITE, OR WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THE ADVICE OF MR. BLACK, UM, AS A SMALL CLAIMS CASE, OR YOU CAN DECIDE YOU DON'T WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

WELL, I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR OUR ATTORNEY, HE READY TO GO GET THAT MONEY, BUT, UH, HE, HE'S, HE'S A GOOD GUY.

UH, I I'M LIKE THE ATTORNEY, UH, TO WORRY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE ABOVE BOARD AND WE'RE DISCUSSING THINGS LIKE THAT, A WEBSITE AND HOSTING ON YOUR OWN AND, AND CHIME IN DIRECTORS AS AS WELL.

BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THAT DIRECTIVE AS AN ENTIRE, UH, ENTITY.

SO IF HE'S, HE'S DONE THAT.

I MEAN, WE APPRECIATE IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ASKING IT FOR MONTHS TO GET THAT, GET, GAIN ACCESS TO IT.

AND WE WERE HEARING THAT IT WAS A DOMAIN SITUATION, CITY MANAGER THAT WE NEEDED TO GET AND WE WERE NEVER PROVIDED THAT.

I KNOW I'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH YOU AND DEE ABOUT GETTING THESE THINGS.

SO, UH, ATTORNEY, IF YOU WANNA CHIME IN, HIT YOUR, HIT YOUR, UH, MIC AND, AND GIVE US OUR LEGAL ASPECT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

YEAH, I'M SORRY MR. KENEL.

I DON'T THINK I'M REALLY READY TO COMMENT ON IT TODAY.

IT'S A, IT'S, UH, NOT A NON-PROFIT, UH, DOMAIN.

I HAD TALKED WITH HIM, THE, UH, OTHER OFFICE STAFF BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, BUT I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT FURTHER.

AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE OF THE RAMIFICATIONS AT THIS TIME, EXCEPT THAT THE WEBSITE THAT HE HAS OF THE, UH, DOMAIN NAME THAT HE HAS OBTAINED, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO KEEP ANYWAY BECAUSE

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I THINK IT'S A.COM.

IT'S A.COM AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY YOU NEED TO GO THE OTHER, UH, DOT GOV OR.ORG, UH, ROUTE, WHICH I THINK YOU CAN DO IN HOUSE.

YES, SIR.

UM, CITY MANAGER, YOU GOT, YOU WANT TO CHIME IN? NOT AT THIS TIME.

I WILL AWAIT MR. BLACK'S, UM, THOROUGH LOOK AT THIS AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE TERMS ON WHAT HIS RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE.

CITY MANAGER, UH, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND JUDGE GILLERY.

UM, YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

IF, HOW YOU DOING, IF, UM, IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO PAY, UM, I'M QUITE SURE THAT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS.

UH, HE WOULD, I'M NOT, I'M HOPING THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE, BUT I KNOW THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO INITIALLY PAY HIM IN PHASES.

RIGHT.

AND WE, AND WE'VE DONE SO HAVEN'T WE.

SO WE HAVE SATISFIED ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE NEEDED TO SATISFY ON OUR END.

AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT? YES, SIR.

HELP ME BRING IT TO MY, REMEMBER, SIR, YOU CAN CORRECT ME ON ANY POINT THAT I NEEDED.

NO, SO THE INITIAL PROJECT THAT MR. HUNTER PRESENTED TO US WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN ABOUT FIVE PHASES.

WE DIDN'T TERMINATE THE PHASES AND SAID WE ONLY WANTED THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE WEBSITE.

HE AGREED TO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE SIGNED TO.

AND THAT WAS $4,900.

AFTER THE WEBSITE WAS DEVELOPED AND CREATED, MR. HUNTER WAS PAID IN FULL FOR THE WEBSITE.

WE DID NOT ALLOW HIM TO HOST THE WEBSITE ON OUR BEHALF BEYOND THE CONTRACT TERMS. UM, IT BECAME A PROBLEM WHEN WE TURNED, DETERMINED THAT WE WANTED THE WEBSITE TO BE SEVERED FROM ANYTHING WITH HIM, THEN HE KIND OF CEASED COMMUNICATION WITH US AND WE'VE BEEN IN TURMOIL WITH HIM SINCE.

YES.

AND NOW HE HAS PRESENTED US WITH A BILL SAYING HE'S BEEN HOSTING ON MY BEHALF.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE HOSTING ON OUR BEHALF MM-HMM, , IS THERE ANY L WELL, ANY LANGUAGE IN THAT CONTRACT WHERE HE WAS GIVEN THAT LATITUDE TO? HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HOST THE WEBSITE WHILE HE WAS DEVELOPING THE WEBSITE, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, HE EXCEEDED HIS SCOPE.

MM, THANK YOU.

SOUNDS ANY, UH, JUDGE GILLER, UH, WHAT WOULD BE STOPPING, UM, US FROM JUST WALKING AWAY FROM IT ALTOGETHER? UH, DOES HE HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONTENT THAT HAS VALUE THAT HE'S HOLDING ONTO THAT WE CAN'T RECREATE? NO, WE CAN RECREATE THE WEBSITE ENTIRELY.

THE, ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE WAS GIVEN TO HIM BY THE TURS BOARD ITSELF.

AND IN THE CONTRACT YOU SAID THAT, UH, THERE WAS NOTHING SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN THAT OUTSIDE OF HIM, HIS DEVELOPMENT PHASE MM-HMM.

THAT REQUIRED HIM TO HOST IT.

AND OF COURSE, IN ORDER FOR HIM TO SEE THAT IT WORKS, HE IT HAS TO, HE HAS TO HOST.

BUT THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE $4,900 THAT YOU ALREADY PAID HIM.

IT WAS.

SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAYBE AN ATTORNEY MAY NEED TO LOOK INTO, UH, RE REQUESTING A REFUND OF THE $4,900 BECAUSE OF BREACH OF CONTRACT.

WE MAY, MAY, THAT MAY NEED TO BE, UH, SOMETHING FOR US TO LOOK AT.

UM, 'CAUSE HE, IF HE'S FAILED HIS PART, HE DIDN'T DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE.

HE HADN'T DELIVERED ANYTHING.

WE'VE PAID HIM, UH, BREACH OF CONTRACT.

IT'S, IT IS A REAL ISSUE.

SOMETHING SIMPLE THAT I'M SURE THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY HANDLE.

BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, TO THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.