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IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE THIS EVENING.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START.
THE TIME IS 5:30 PM AND WE'RE GOING TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD STARTING WITH CALLING THE ROLE ROSALYN QUEEN DWIGHT WAGNER.
DWIGHT WAGNER, PRESENT JOHNNY BROWN.
[IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL MINUTES.WE HAVE A MOTION, SO MOVE I SECOND.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WAGNER.
UH, ANY CONVERSATION OR QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE.
DR. BROWN, COULD YOU SPEAKING TO THE MIC FOR US? IT'S ON YOU JUST SPEAKING TO IT.
WELL, WELL THANK, THANK Y ALL.
[VI. NEW BUSINESS - PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS]
UM, WE'LL GO ON TO, UH, NEW BUSINESS, WELL UNFINISHED BUSINESS NONE AND NEW BUSINESS.UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEMS THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
EXCUSE ME PLEASE, IF YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR VOLUME UP SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR CLEARLY APPRECIATE AND I WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, UH, FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, LET ME ANNOUNCE THAT FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE, UH, WE'LL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, PUBLIC MEMBERS AND WHO ARE PRESENT TO STATE TO COME FORWARD TO GIVE THEIR OPINIONS FOR AND AGAINST.
UH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UH, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
ALRIGHT, STAFF, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO ON WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, SIR.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S MOVE FORWARD PLEASE WITH THE FIRST ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION, PLEASE.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS AMBER AND JAQUITA DENNIS.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF TEXAS AVENUE AND EAST OF ALIAS STREET, JCAD PARCEL NUMBER 1 0 1 9 1 1 AND 7 4 2 4 4.
THE REQUEST TYPE IS AN APPROVAL OF A REPL IN THE PORT ARTHUR LAND COMPANY SUBDIVISION IN S SKI F EDITION.
THE PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A REPL REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING REPL OF PART OF LOT TWO BLOCK NINE RANGE O PART ARTHUR, THE LAND COMPANY SUBDIVISION AND PART OF LOT FIVE BLOCK ONE SKI EDITION NUMBER ONE, CITY OF PORT ARTHUR JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
THE NEW TRACK NAME TRACK FIVE DASH TWO DASH A PART OF LOT TWO BLOCK NINE RANGE O PORT ARTHUR LAND COMPANY SUBDIVISION AND PART OF LOT FIVE BLOCK ONE SKI EDITION NUMBER ONE.
CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
THE LOT DIMENSIONS ARE 70 FEET BY 130 FEET, TOTALING 9,450 SQUARE FEET.
THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 0.2169 ACRE OF LAND.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE ABUTTING ZONES NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST ARE ALL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE IS NO PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPL IS TO COMBINE PART OF TWO LOTS INTO ONE TRACK FOR A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING.
IE LOW DENSITY MEANING SINGLE FAMILY.
AN APPLICATION FOR A REPL WAS SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND ZONING ON MAY 9TH, 2024.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPL IS TO COMBINE PART OF TWO LIVES INTO ONE TRACK FOR A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING ON FEB ON FRIDAY, MAY 17TH, 2024 18.
NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWSPAPER A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE PNZ MEETING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY.
ANY COMMENTS? MORE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
YES, MS. ES? MM-HMM,
CAN YOU ZOOM IT IN SOME, LARRY? OKAY.
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OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION? NO.UH, ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? SECOND CALL.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM AND THIRD CALL? IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? WE'LL MOVE ON TO SPEAKING AGAINST OR ANYONE HERE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
ANYONE HERE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS ITEM? THIRD CALL.
IS THERE ANYONE? ALRIGHT, MA'AM, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? THIS IS THE REFL, NOT THE ZONE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? ALRIGHT, HEARING NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS OPEN BOOK REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS, LLC.
THE PROPERTY THE APPLICANT IS RODERICK SHIELDS JR.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT JCAD PARCEL NUMBER 7 2 8 4 1 7 2 8 3 8 AND 7 2 8 3 9.
THE REQUEST TYPE IS A ZONING MAP CHANGE REQUEST.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING TRACK CA DASH ONE A CA DASH ONE B AND CA DASH ONE C CA DASH ONE DASH CA REPL OF PART OF ALL OF TRACK CA DASH ONE OF A REPL OF COMMERCIAL, A VISTA VILLAGE SUBDIVISION CITY OF PORT ARTHUR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 1.497 ACRES OF LAND.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, ALSO KNOWN AS SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THE ABUTTING ZONES NORTH AND WEST ARE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND EAST AND SOUTH ARE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
AN APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON OR AROUND MAY 10TH, 2024, REQUESTING A ZONING MAP CHANGE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
A ZONING MAP CHANGE IS A CHANGE OR MODIFICATION TO THE BOUNDARIES OF ANY ZONING DISTRICT WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP.
ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 15TH, 2024 17 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 200 FOOT RADIUS AND PUBLISHED IN THE PORT ARTHUR NEWSPAPER A MINIMUM OF 15 DAYS BEFORE THE P AND Z HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY, JUNE 3RD, 2024.
AND AS OF, UM, TODAY, JANUARY 3RD, 2024, WE DO HAVE ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION IN OUR POSSESSION AND I WILL READ IT INTO RECORD FOR YOU.
IT IS FROM ANGELA NEWCOS AND SHE IS LOCATED AT 53 21 TERRA AVENUE.
TO WHOM THIS MAY CONCERN, AFTER REVIEWING THE LETTER REGARDING THE ZONE CHANGE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I DO NOT AGREE WITH CHANGING NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED OF WHAT THIS MAY RESULT IN.
I HAVE INVESTED IN MY HOUSE SINCE 1992, ENSURING THAT I'M UP TO CODE WITH COMMUNITY AND THE ECONOMY.
FURTHERMORE, APPRAISALS AND PROPERTY VALUES WILL DECLINE DUE TO THE ZONING CHANGE.
RESOURCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH WILL DECREASE TREMENDOUSLY.
CRIME RATES WITH RI WILL RISE, WHICH IS A MAJOR CONCERN TO MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
I ASK THAT WE CONTINUE INVEST IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT IS ALL COMMISSIONERS.
OKAY, LET'S, UH, HEAR FIRST FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
MS. ARIAS, COULD YOU GIVE US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? YES, SIR.
UM, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS MORE IS YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
WHERE, UM, WHERE YOU FIND YOUR LOWDEN IN YOUR LOW DENSITY DISTRICT IS WHERE YOU FIND YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
NOW, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ARE MORE LIKE YOUR CONVENIENCE STORES, YOUR EMERGENCY CARE CENTERS, YOUR WASH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, OR IN THE, THAT TYPE OF DISTRICT.
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SO THIS AREA RIGHT NOW IS LOW DENSITY AND NO, SIR, IT'S NOT.THE AREA RIGHT NOW IS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND THEY'RE SEEKING TO AMEND FOR LOW DENSITY.
WHAT, WHAT AMOUNT OF SPACE? I KNOW YOU READ, UH, A LITTLE OF THAT.
ACRE, YOU SAID JUST A, JUST A COUPLE OF ACRES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? ONE POINT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER ONE ACRE.
CAN YOU GO TO THE ZONING MAP? LARRY, CAN YOU GO TO THE MAP? OH, GO UP.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC.
AS I SAID EARLIER, IF YOU, UH, DECIDE TO SPEAK, IF YOU'LL PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHERE YOU CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY LIVE.
SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? YES, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
RODE SHIELDS, UH, 59 MA AVENUE, PORT ARTHUR, TEXAS.
UH, WE ASKING HIM TO BE CONSIDERED TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY REZONED.
UH, BACK IN AUGUST, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH WE GOT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
GAVE A LITTLE INPUT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING.
UH, NO DUPLEXES, NO COMMERCIAL.
THEY WANT TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING DOWN.
SO, UH, THEY'RE OPPOSED TO AGREE TO DO SINGLE FAMILY.
SINCE THEN, I HAD A BABY, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN SO LONG.
UH, NOW HERE WE ARE APPLYING TO DO SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHICH WILL TAKE EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND PUT ONE FAMILY IN EACH PROPERTY INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, DRIVING A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR COMMERCIAL.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? YES MA'AM.
YOU'LL GIVE YOUR NAME AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
MY NAME IS KARINA SHILLS AND I'M IN 59 99 MOB AVENUE.
I'M IN TEXAS, LICENSED REALTOR.
UH, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT ANY COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR ANYTHING COMMERCIAL IN THAT PROPERTY, SO WE'RE WANTING TO DO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND OPPOSED TO WHAT THE LETTER SAID THAT IT WOULD BRING THE PROPERTY VALUES DOWN, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BRING THEM UP BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD BUILD ON EACH LOT.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
SIR, I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR BODY LANGUAGE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE ABOUT TO SPEAK.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? LAST CALL? YES, MA'AM.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN, IN, IN, IN FAVOR? YES.
ALRIGHT, WELL, IN THAT CASE, LET'S GO TO THOSE WHO WISH, WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS ITEM.
THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS ITEM.
WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? MY NAME IS LORI C. JONES AND I LIVE AT 52 10 TERRACE RIGHT NEXT TO THE VILLAGE.
AND I'M AGAINST THE ZONING, I'M AGAINST THE BUILDING OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I, I'M A WIDOW THAT LIVE BY MYSELF AND I DO NOT WANT NO TRAFFIC OR I DON'T CARE FOR THE NOISE AND ALL THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, STEALING AND, EXCUSE ME, BREAKING IN HOMES.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK THE AUDIENCE, WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE ALLOW HER TO HAVE HER TIME AND SPEAKING WITHOUT INTERRUPTION, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
UH, YES, I SAID I'M AGAINST IT.
I LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE WAY IT IS AND I DON'T WANT MY PROPERTY VALUE, YOU KNOW, LIKE GOING UP.
I DON'T WANT TAXES GOING UP BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY KIND OF HARD BEING, YOU KNOW, A WIDOW AND BY YOURSELF.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR EVERYTHING TO STAY JUST AS IT IS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I LIVE AT 52 48 LINCOLNWOOD DRIVE, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANGLE TO WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
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HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE YOU RIGHT NOW? TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.BUT YOU SAID RIGHT NOW, SO YOU HAVE OTHERS IN THE FUTURE? WELL, IT'S THREE LOTS.
SO IF WE GET TO, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THREE ULTIMATELY YES.
OTHERWISE WE WOULD'VE TO DO COMMERCIAL.
UH, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC BEFORE.
UM, WHERE WOULD, WHERE WOULD THESE PEOPLE BE? PARKING? WOULD PARKING BE CREATED? LET ME, HOLD ON.
MAYBE Y'ALL COULD SPEAK IN THE BACK AND THEN WE COULD ASK A QUESTION.
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION YEAH.
UH, ON THESE PARTICULAR HOUSES, ALL THESE HOUSES WILL BE 50 FEET STARTING.
IF YOU GOING LINK WOOD, IT'S GOING 50 FEET INTO THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY IS 390 FEET DEEP.
SO WE WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET OR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE A NICE PROJECT, YOU KNOW.
AND, AND LIKE THAT, LIKE I SAY, THAT KEEPS FROM US HAVING TO DO BUILD SOMETHING AND GET CONVENIENCE STORES, YOU KNOW, LIQUOR STORES, VAPE SHOPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE REALLY UNWANTED TRAFFIC.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY ZONED FOR.
SO AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, I'M AT A STANDSTILL.
EITHER I GET IT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR WE DEVELOP IT FOR COMMERCIAL.
THERE ARE OTHERS FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'LL SPEAK.
I JUST, WE NEEDED TO COMPREHEND HOW, WHAT HE WAS PLANNING MORE.
GO AHEAD, MS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A CORRECTION FOR THE RECORD.
IT'S, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, SO NOT, IF NOT LOAD DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
WHAT WAS THAT? ARE YOU SPEAKING AGAINST, MA'AM? WELL, COME ON, COME FORWARD PLEASE.
UH, I LIVE AT 4 36 DRUMMOND STREET.
UM, DO WANNA SPEAK, UH, ON BEHALF OF SOME OF THE ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I'VE TAKEN A POLL IF YOU WANT ME TO.
I CAN GET SOME NAMES AND LISTS, BUT ANYWAY, RIGHT NOW WE JUST DON'T WANT A REZONE IN OUR AREA.
UH, RIGHT NOW, GUYS, WE HAVE, AND, AND I'M TELLING EVERYBODY THIS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER ENTITIES, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO CLEAN US UP FIRST.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DON'T WANNA GO FAR INTO THAT, BUT WE'RE DOING THAT.
WE DON'T WANT ANY NEW ZONE IN, UH, IN THE AREA AS THIS, UH, LADY JUST SPOKE.
WE HAVE AN ELDERLY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DON'T, I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S, IT'S ALL, IT'S JUST GUYS, IT'S JUST A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M GONNA SIT DOWN IN JUST A FEW MINUTES GUYS.
VISTA VILLAGE AND THE AREAS AROUND VISTA VILLAGE IS A SACRED PLACE.
I KNOW THIS MAY NOT BE UNDERST STAND BY SOME PEOPLE.
THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT MADE THEIR, UH, HOMES.
I MEAN, UH, BUILT THEIR HOMES, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WERE EDUCATORS.
THEY WORKED IN HOSPITALS, THEY WORKED IN REFINERIES.
I MEAN, WE HAD GREAT PEOPLE THERE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, GUYS THAT STILL LIVE IN THE AREA THAT IS FROM THAT AREA, VISTA VILLAGE.
SO ALSO JUST WANT TO END GUYS BY SAYING WE LOVE OUR CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY.
PLEASE HELP OUR COMMUNITY STAY SINGLE.
WE DON'T WANT ANY TYPE OF ZONING TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
WE LOVE VISTA VILLAGE, THE AREAS AROUND IT.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THE ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION? ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST? PLEASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD, MA'AM.
HI, MY NAME IS ANITA BRYANT AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY LILO DOES
WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED ALL THE EXTRA TRAFFIC OUT THERE.
THE KIDS ARE STILL PLAYING IN THE YARDS.
THEY KIND OF DRIFT OFF INTO THE STREET, YOU KNOW, AND WITH MORE TRAFFIC OUT THERE AND BUSINESSES, THAT WOULD BE AN EXTRA PROBLEM.
THERE ARE ENOUGH BUSINESSES CLOSE ENOUGH BY THAT.
THE WAY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONSTRUCTED IS CONVENIENT AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT A FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MS. ARIES, IF, IF ANYONE, WELL, LET ME FIRST OF ALL MAKE SURE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WISH I, MY, LET ME TELL YOU MY QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL SEE THERE.
ANYONE ELSE HAS TO, HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BETTER THE COMMENTS THAT
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ARE BEING MADE ON BOTH SIDES, SO TO SPEAK.AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW AND THE O THE OPEN OPPORTUNITY FOR BUSINESSES TO BE CREATED OR BUILT THERE AS OPPOSED TO THE QUESTIONS ABOUT MORE TRAFFICKING AND WHATNOT FOR TWO, THREE MORE HOUSES.
I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.
DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAPPEN TO HAVE A COMMENT? YOU AND MR. BARAN, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? MA'AM? I'LL CALL YOU IN JUST A SECOND.
'CAUSE I WANNA UNDERSTAND BETTER.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
UH, MY NAME IS LARRY BATON AND I'M THE MANAGER OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, I, LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
IF, IF IT'S LEFT THE WAY IT IS TODAY, THE GENTLEMAN, MR. UH, CAN, CAN COME IN AND BUILD, LIKE YOU SAID, A LIQUOR STORE.
HE CAN BUILD A DRY CLEANERS HE CAN BUILD, WHICH WOULD BRING MORE TRAFFIC IN THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU REALLY DON'T WANT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE GENTLEMAN IS TRYING TOONE THIS PROPERTY FOR A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ONLY BRINGS SINGLE FAMILY, JUST LIKE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS THERE.
NOW IT'D BE KIDS PLAYING IN, THE KIDS PLAYING IN THE YARD.
UH, IT'LL BE LESS INTRUSIVE, IT'LL BE LESS TRAFFIC.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT THE FACTS OUT THERE THAT WHAT'S THERE NOW CAN BE MORE INTRUSIVE AND BRING MORE CRIME AND BRING MORE, UH, UH, UH, PROBLEMS TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAN IF HE JUST PUT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO CLEAR IT UP.
'CAUSE I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME, UH, UH, A LITTLE BIT CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT, WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.
HE'S NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT, UH, UH, WORSE.
HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE AREA BETTER.
THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK JUST, JUST HOLD ON EVERYBODY.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, WELL JUST CAN YOU WAIT, JUST HOLD ON.
WE, WE WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT LET'S DO IT IN AN ORDERLY WAY, MANNER PLEASE.
UH, NOW, UH, WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, I KNOW WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING, FOUR PEOPLE SPEAKING AGAINST, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF GENERAL UNDERSTANDING WHERE AT LEAST EVERYBODY'S OPERATING OFF THE SAME BASIS OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK AGAINST, I HEARD, IS THAT RIGHT? PLEASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND I WILL SAY THIS SPEAKING AGAIN.
WITH THE LOW DENSITY, IT DOES ALIGN WITH THE AREA.
THIS IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL, BUT IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK AT ALL FOR AGAINST, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
JUST, JUST, YOU CAN COME WITH A QUESTION, JUST, YES MA'AM.
BERNADINE JACOBS 5 41 LINCOLNWOOD.
UM, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
SOME, I GUESS MAYBE A YEAR AGO, MR. SHIELDS WANTED TO BUILD SOME, UH, DUPLEXES OR TOWN HOMES OR SOMETHING THERE ON THE PROPERTY ON THOSE THREE LOTS.
HE GOT A LOT OF OPPOSITION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED THOSE DUPLEXES AND, UH, TOWN HOMES OR WHATEVER HE WAS GONNA BUILD THERE.
SO THIS IS WHERE THIS IS STEMMING FROM.
SO, UM, IF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HERE.
WE ACTUALLY DID NOT KNOW THAT VISTA VILLAGE WAS ZONED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE, I'VE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED OVER THERE OVER 50 YEARS.
AND, UM, NOBODY KNEW THAT THAT WAS ZONED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
IT WAS ALWAYS, UH, THEY'RE SAYING LOW DENSITY.
WE CONSIDERED, I MEAN, I'M OLD SCHOOL AS RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO THEREFORE WHEN, UM, HE SAID WHEN HE, WE CAME BEFORE THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING BEFORE, HE SAID, WELL, IF Y'ALL DON'T WANT ME TO BUILD THAT, THEN I'LL JUST BUILD A WASIER CONVENIENCE STORE, LIQUOR STORE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME IN.
AND SO NOW, UM, HE WANTS TO CHANGE IT TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK NOW AS RESIDENTS, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S BEING SAID TO CHANGE IT.
AND IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THOSE THINGS WILL NOT BE DONE.
IT WILL BE BUILT TO WHAT HE INITIALLY WANTED TO.
HE MAY SEEM DIFFERENTLY, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE, UH, RESIDENTS AGREE WITH ME AS WELL.
IF IT'S CHANGED, THEN THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WELL, CAN I ASK YOU, MAY, MAY I ASK YOU, SO
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WOULD YOU BE AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING BUILT? NO, I WOULD NOT BE AGAINST RESIDENTIAL HOMES IF IT WAS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND NOTHING ELSE.N NEVER, WELL, I MEAN, JUST HOLD ON.
THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU, I'M, I'M, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA GET IN HERE WITH AN ARGUMENT OR ANYTHING.
NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE INTENT.
I THINK THE INTENT IS TO CHANGE IT SO THAT THAT CAN INITIALLY BE DONE TO SOMETHING ELSE.
CAN I MAKE THIS COMMENT BEFORE? GO AHEAD PLEASE, DOCTOR.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK MAYBE THE RESIDENTS WERE OR MISUNDERSTANDING THE ZONING AND WHAT'S IN THEIR AREA.
I WAS OUT IN AQUENT THIS WEEKEND.
I ALSO SAW MANY HOMES OUT THERE THAT WERE EMPTY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE MOVE LEFT THE HOMES AND THEY JUST RUN DOWN OR WHATEVER.
NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT WHAT HE WANTS TO DO BASICALLY IS ADD HOMES.
IT WILL NOT TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR HOME.
IT WILL INCREASE YOUR PROPERTY.
I SEE WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT THERE.
BUT IF YOU'RE AN, UH, A ELDERLY PERSON, 65 AND OLDER, YOUR PROPERTY TAXES WILL NOT GO UP.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO STAY YOU UNDER 65.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO STATE, HOLD ON.
LET'S PLEASE KEEP THE ORDER IN THE, IN THE ROOM PLEASE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO STATE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT'S ALLOWED IN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UNLESS THEY PLAN ON BUILDING A CHURCH OR A SCHOOL.
BUT THEY CANNOT BUILD DUPLEXES CORNER STORES OR ANYTHING, UM, IN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
AND JUST A LITTLE, I THINK THEY MISUNDERSTAND, I'M SORRY.
AND IF THEY WENT TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT LOOKOUT, IF THEY WENT TO A, UH, THEY STAYED IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, HE COULD DO WHAT HE SAID AND BRING THAT TO YOUR AREA.
SO WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS CLEAR THAT UP SO ONLY HOMES CAN BE BUILT THERE.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO GO BACK ON THE CITY WEBSITE, PULL UP ORDINANCES, AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IS, UH, UH, REGRETTABLY, WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU SPEAK MA'AM.
I THINK EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY CAN'T SPEAK AT ONCE AND GET THIS DONE.
BUT I THINK THERE'S JUST A, A LACK OF TRUST THAT'S, UH, REGRETTABLY, UH, WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW.
AND UH, I THINK IF PEOPLE ARE LISTENING, WHAT DR.
QUEEN JUST SAID, JUST SAID, WHAT THE RULE WOULD BE, SHOULD WE APPROVE THIS AND THE CITY APPROVES IT, COUNCIL APPROVES IT.
THE ONLY THING THAT COULD BE BUILT WOULD BE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
UNLESS THEY WANTED A CHURCH OR A SCHOOL UNLESS WANTED CHURCH.
THOSE ARE ALLOWED IN ANY DISTRICT.
WELL, NO, THAT'S ALLOWED IN ANY DISTRICT.
WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO'S GONNA, WHO, DR. KIM.
ANXIOUS TO GET TO THAT MICROPHONE.
AND I ALSO DID WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT THE VARIANCE THEY WERE SPEAKING OF.
THE SHIELDS DID FILE FOR A VARIANCE, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
AND IT WAS BECAUSE BEFORE THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGED, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DID ALLOW FOR DUPLEXES.
WELL, UM, HIS PLANS WEREN'T SUBMITTED BEFORE THE ZONE CHANGE.
AND SO HE FILED FOR A VARIANCE TO GET TO BE GRANTED LENIENCY TO STILL BUILD HIS DUPLEXES, WHICH WERE DENIED.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT.
ONE MORE SPEAKER AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.
COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE, DOCTOR, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
BUT IF YOU HAVE MORE SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONER, THEY ALL HAVE TO SPEAK FOR THE RECORD.
UH, DR. JACQUELINE GREEN TIMMONS 4 4 7 DRUMMOND STREET, FORT ARTHUR VISTA VILLAGE.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION, BUT I I, I WANT TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT PARTICULAR AREA AND THE PROPERTY WAS AT ONE POINT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
NOW HE'S WANTING TO DO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
EVERYTHING ELSE IN VISTA VILLAGE IS RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY, LOW DENSITY, HOWEVER YOU WANNA REFER TO IT.
HOWEVER, WE AS RESIDENTS OUT THERE, HAVE DEALT WITH THE FACT THAT PEOPLE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THEY RENT OUT ROOMS.
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SO IT BECOMES MULTIFAMILY.WE HAVE ADDRESSED THIS WITH THE CITY REPEATEDLY, AND IT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN.
MY CONCERN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TRUST TO ME, AND I, I I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, IT'S ALMOST A THREATENING TYPE OF THING.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T LET ME BUILD THIS, THEN I'M GONNA DO THAT.
MM-HMM,
WELL, IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS, THEN THE DUPLEXES, THEN I, I'M GONNA BUILD A GROCERY STORE OR A CONVENIENCE STORE OR A LAUNDROMAT THAT KIND OF BOTHERS US.
YOU KNOW, THAT AFFECTS THE TRUST PER SE.
SO WHILE MR. SHIELDS MAY WANT TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND COME BEFORE YOU AND SOME REPRESENTATIVES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU.
I WILL BUILD TWO, MAYBE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHO'S TO SAY TWO YEARS FROM NOW THERE'S THREE PEOPLE LIVING IN ONE, THREE PEOPLE OR WHATEVER.
NOT FAMILIES LIVING IN ONE HOME, SIX IN THE OTHER, HOWEVER MANY IN THE OTHER.
IT STILL BECOMES MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS NOT, IT'S NOT ZONED FOR.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT AND WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE CITY HAS YET TO ADDRESS IT.
AND THAT IS WHERE OUR CONCERN IS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WILL BE DEALING WITH TRAFFIC, WE WILL BE DEALING WITH TRANSIENT PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUTTA THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY HAD.
WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH CRIME RATES, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FILTHINESS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF TRANSIENT PEOPLE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, UH, STRAY ANIMALS, YOU NAME IT.
I MEAN,
SO WHILE HE MAY SAY, I'M GONNA BUILD TWO OR THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON A ONE AND A HALF ACRE LOT, WE STILL MAY END UP IN A MULTIFAMILY SITUATION.
ALRIGHT, ONE MORE SPEAKER AGAINST MY ONLY, EXCUSE ME, UH, MS. NEES PROPERTY.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN PLEASE? I'M SORRY.
ACTUALLY, IT'S Y NOBODY EVER PRONOUNCES IT.
UM, I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF LINWOOD AND DRUMMOND, UH, MS. SNEE CORNER IS ON THE CORNER OF LINWOOD AND DRUMMOND.
SO OUR HOMES WOULD BE THE MOST AFFECTED, EXCUSE ME, YOUR ADDRESS, FULL NAME, ADDRESS RECORD.
REBECCA JEAN, LIKE BLUE JEANS, NO S ON N 52 48 LINCOLNWOOD STREET.
UM, JACKIE VERY WELL SUMMED UP SOME CONCERNS.
THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN I HAVE THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER YEAR IS NOISE.
UM, I DO COMPREHEND THAT SINGLE WHILE WE WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO STAY EXACTLY AS IS 'CAUSE THAT'S OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S THE WAY WE LIKE IT.
THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS WOULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY OVER A LIQUOR STORE OR A VAPING STORE OR WHATEVER ELSE.
BUT THAT OTHER CONCERN BESIDES THE ONE THAT SHE EXPRESSED SO ELOQUENTLY, AND WE ARE STILL FIGHTING THAT WITHOUT BEING HEARD.
WE, WE HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY GOVERNMENT AND THERE ARE PEOPLE BASICALLY CHOPPING UP HOUSES AND THREE, FOUR EXTERIOR DOORS.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORKED FOR, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICES, ADULT PROBATION AND RECOGNIZED SOME DRUG DEALERS, SOME GUN DEALERS.
SO YEAH, WE ARE TRYING TO CLAMP THAT DOWN.
BUT THE OTHER THING THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS NOISE.
AND THAT IS VERY MUCH A CONCERN OF OURS.
WE HAVE A VERY QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE AN 11-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER AND I WANT HER TO BE ABLE TO STILL SAFELY PLAY IN OUR YARD.
I'VE GOT PLENTY OF GRASS, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WANT HER TO BE SAFE IN IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I RECOGNIZE LESSER TWO EVILS IT FOR, SO BESIDES HER CONCERN, WHICH IS VERY VALID, IF WE, IF IT COULD BE QUIET, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T HAVE IT STAY THE WAY IT IS, IF IT CAN BE KEPT AS QUIET, THEN
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I DON'T LOVE IT.BUT I'D BE LESS OPPOSED TO IT.
UH, BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC.
MS. ARIAS, JUST SAY THIS ONE THING.
I DON'T THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO BE MALICIOUS SAYING WE CAN PUT A CORNER STORE THERE, BUT THE, THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS IF THEY KEEP IT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND MEET BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
THEY CAN JUST PUT IT THERE WITH NO QUESTIONS ASKED BECAUSE IT'S ZONED THAT WAY.
ARE WE ALREADY CLOSE? WELL, GOT ANOTHER SPEAKER.
I'M SORRY, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? ONE LAST SPEECH.
AND BY THE WAY, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UH, THE COMMENT ABOUT ELOQUENCE BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF YOU'VE BEEN ELOQUENT AND, AND VERY, VERY STRONG IN YOUR COMMENTS.
WELL, I'M JULIANA BARNES AND I LIVE AT 400 LINWOOD STREET.
AND I ALSO, I JUST WANT TO VOICE MY OBJECTION TO THIS BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN TWO OR THREE YEARS.
YOU'RE GOING TO SELL OUT ROOMS 'CAUSE RIGHT ACROSS FROM ME.
SEE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WE COULD GO BACK AND FORTH.
YOU COULD SAY YOU ACCUSE HIM OF DISNEY, HE'D COME BACK.
THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PRODUCTIVE, MA'AM.
YOU SAY YOU I JUST WANT SAY THAT I, ALL I WANT TO DO IS, ALL I WANT TO DO IS VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO IT.
BECAUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, THEY'RE RENTING OUT ROOMS. THERE'S FIVE, THEY EVEN MADE THE ROOMS. SO THEY GOT DIFFERENT AIR CONDITIONERS.
THEY EVEN BUILDING SOME MORE NOW THEY, UH, CLOSING THE GARAGE AND THE FIRST HOUSE ON LAKEWOOD AND WHATEVER THAT STREET IS IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO LIVES THERE.
SO WE HAVE TO VOICE OUR OPINION.
UH, ONE, ONE THING, UM, I AND DR.
QUEEN, YOU'RE ALWAYS, UH, CLOSE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER, UH, AND MS. ARIES OR MR. BADDA MAY HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT WHERE THE PUBLIC GOES TO MAKE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE THINGS THEY'VE BEEN TALK.
MAY, MAY I PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET, LET MS. S WOULD YOU PLEASE RESPOND TO MY QUESTION AND THEN MS. YES.
WELL, UM, OUR INSPECTORS AND EVERYTHING ARE AWARE.
UM, IT ACTUALLY DID MAKE IT TO OUR OFFICE.
BUT THERE IS A PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR THAT PROCESS TO TAKE PLACE.
WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO COURT.
AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A LOT THAT IT, IT'S JUST A LENGTHY PROCESS.
BUT WE ARE AWARE, I EVEN DROVE BY THERE MYSELF AND I DID SEE THE HOMES WHERE THE DOORS ARE ON THE SIDES AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE A FOURPLEX.
SO WE, WE ARE AWARE, BUT IT'S A PROCESS 'CAUSE IT'S NOW YOU HAVE TO GO, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COURTS AND LET OUR INSPECTORS DO THEIR JOB TOO.
COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO MAKE BEFORE WE CLOSE, MA'AM? AND SIR, UH, I, UH, DO WE NOT WANNA LET MS. NEE TALK? WELL, I, DR WHY DON'T YOU JUST, UH, HOLD ON.
WHY DON'T WE JUST CHANGE THE CHAIR BEFORE AND LET YOU DO THIS.
I KNOW I GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HERE.
UH, BUT I DO WANNA HEAR THE COMMENTS OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE.
I DON'T LIVE IN VEST VILLAGE, I LIVE IN LAKESIDE.
SO I UNDERSTAND TO A POINT WHAT THEY WANT.
WE WOULDN'T WANT CERTAIN THINGS PUT IN LAKESIDE.
MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT.
IT'D BE KIND OF CRAZY IN LAKESIDE, BUT THE TRUTH, UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE HE'S COMING FROM AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE COMING FROM.
BUT SOMEBODY'S GOTTA GET TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, IF HE BUILDS TWO OR THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE AND HE KEEPS THOSE HOMES AND HE SELLS THEM AND NOT LEASE THEM, YOU GUYS HAVE A WINNER.
BUT IF HE CHOOSES TO LEASE THEM, THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT A PROBLEM.
AND, AND, AND UNTIL WE HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I GUESS WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING.
SHE KEEPS COMING AND SEND HER AWAY.
AND I'M GOING TO BE VERY BRIEF.
I OWN A HOUSE IN VISTA VILLAGE, 200 DRUMMOND STREET.
AND I'VE HEARD ALL OF THE COMMENTS.
I WAS HERE FOR THE INITIAL MEETING THAT WE HAD, I GUESS IT WAS LAST YEAR, LILO.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE WAY THE ZONING LAW IS NOW, THAT YOU COULD BUILD COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE SITE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT HELPED ME.
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DON'T UNDERSTAND CLEARLY, AND I KNOW THAT WE'D RATHER HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES RATHER THAN, I THINK WE SAID, FILLING STATIONS, UH, WASH INTERIORS OR WHATEVER, ALL OF THESE COMMERCIAL ITEMS OF BUSINESSES THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE.I KNOW THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT.
THINGS THAT THE RESIDENTS OF VISTA VILLAGE HAVE MENTIONED OR CITED.
UH, I THINK THEY NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT.
AND I THINK THE CITY SHOULD HAVE RESPECT TO SUPPORT THEM.
IF I AM UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, BASED UPON OUR FIRST CONVERSATION, WE SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE HOUSES COULD BE BUILT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, SINCE I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT HOUSES WILL BE BUILT, I JUST NEED TO KNOW, ARE THEY FOR RENTAL OR FOR PURCHASING THE HOUSES? FOR PURCHAS, FOR PURCHASING.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.
AND SO I THOUGHT THOUGH THOSE WERE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE AS A GROUP.
I THOUGHT WE SUGGESTED THOSE THINGS BE CONSIDERED.
AND SO I'M NOT FOREIGN NOR AGAINST, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO THE APPROPRIATE THING, THE PROPER THING.
AND WE NEED TO BE TRUSTING OF OTHERS.
NOW, IF SOMETHING OCCURS THAT WE DID NOT AGREE TO AS A WHOLE, AND WE'VE DOCUMENTED THAT, I THINK THERE ARE LEGAL PROCEDURES THAT WE COULD TAKE.
AND SO I DON'T THINK WE WANNA DO THAT, THAT TO HARM ANYONE.
I THINK WE WANNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF EACH OTHER.
AND I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE BUILDING HOUSES FOR, UH, PURCHASE, THE CITY HAS TO APPROVE IT ANYWAY.
AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL NOT APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL OR INAPPROPRIATE.
SO I THINK THAT FROM THE NOS I'VE GOTTEN, I THINK I'VE, I HAVE MORE CLARITY ON WHAT I WAS TRYING TO OBTAIN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION YET TO CLOSE? WELL, I, I HAVE A COMMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE.
I, I, I, I, I, I FEEL FOR THE, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I'M UNDERSTANDING THEIR CONCERNS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE, WE WANT TO BUILD PORT ARTHUR, WE WANT TO GROW.
MY QUESTION FOR YOU, IF I MAY, IS DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PRICE RANGE OF THESE HOMES WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD BE BUILDING? CAN, IS THAT A QUESTION I CAN ASK MS. ARIA? NO, SIR.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION I CAN ASK.
THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER ONCE THEY REACH THAT PHASE.
BUT IF HE WANTS TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION HE CAN.
BUT YEAH, HE STARTING OFF AT TWO 50.
WE ALSO HAVE A POTENTIAL RIGHT NOW.
THESE HOUSES ARE STARTING OFF AROUND TWO 50 AND WE ALSO HAVE A PROSPECT BUYER READY FOR ONE.
THAT'S A, A REGISTERED NOTE RIGHT HERE IN PORT ARTHUR.
AND I HAVE TWO OTHER COMMENTS.
IF I'M, IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER, UM, I WAS WONDERING FROM THE COMMUNITY, 'CAUSE I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
WOULD YOU BE SATISFIED IF THE ZONING DID NOT TAKE PLACE? IF IT REMAINED, WHAT IS IT CALLED? NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES OR YOU SATISFIED WITH IT REMAINING ZONE THAT WAY? OKAY.
WE'RE JUST, WE, WE COULD GO ON TWO, THREE MORE HOURS.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN MOVE FORWARD.
MR. COMMISSIONER AND MR. COMMISSIONER, DOCTOR.
OH, SHE'S, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I CAN VOTE, I, I WANNA MAKE CERTAIN I HAVE ALL OF THE FACTS OKAY.
YOU KNOW, I'M TORN BETWEEN, I WANT PROGRESS FOR PORT ARTHUR AND, AND I KNOW ABOUT VISTA VILLAGE.
IT, IT, IT, IT WAS A DIAMOND AT ONE TIME AND LOTS OF PROFESSIONALS.
IT WAS ALWAYS ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT OUT, UH, EDUCATORS THERE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE GONNA BUILD A HOME, YOU WERE GONNA BUILD IT IN THIS VILLAGE.
UH, SO I KNOW ABOUT THAT HISTORY AND I KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I DO WANT PROGRESS AS WELL.
UH, A $250,000 HOME WHERE I LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE WOULD BE WELCOME.
UM, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM.
WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCE COULD YOU GIVE TO THESE NEIGHBORS? THAT IT IS STRICTLY JUST GOING TO BE FOR
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SINGLE FAMILY.THEIR FEARS, AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR FEARS.
THEIR FEARS ARE THAT IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE ONE FAMILY THERE.
THAT THERE WILL BE SEVERAL FAMILIES THAT IS GONNA BE RENTED OUT.
WHETHER IT'S A $250,000 HOUSE OR A $50,000 HOUSE.
WHAT ASSURANCE CAN YOU GIVE TO THESE NEIGHBORS THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN? I MEAN, I MEAN AT THIS POINT ALL IT IS WOULD BE IS JUST TRUST.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, MY WIFE'S A REALTOR.
WE ARE DEVELOPING THESE PROPERTIES.
IT WON'T BE THE FIRST TO BE DEVELOPED.
SHE SAID SHE STAYED ON LAKESIDE.
WE'VE DONE SOME ON LAKESIDE 2261 CASHMERE.
YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THAT ONE.
WE REDEVELOPED THAT ONE AS WELL.
UH, WE BRING VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO LIKE I SAY, ONCE THE TRUST IS THERE AND THEY SEE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT GOT A LITTLE ROCKY.
ONCE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON, I THINK THERE WILL BE BENEFIT FROM THE REZONE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, SINCE I HAVE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE I VOTE, 'CAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, I AM HEARING THE NEIGHBORS SAY THAT YOU DO NOT WANT THE ZONING TO REMAIN AS IT IS.
IS THAT A CONSENSUS OF MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES? AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT'S THAT MOST OF YOU DON'T WANT IT TO REMAIN THAT WAY.
MEANING THAT IT IT COULD BE, YEAH.
MEANING THAT YOU COULD BUILD SOMETHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO IF WE WERE TO VOTE FOR THE LDR, THE LOW DENSITY, THEN WITH THE ASSURANCE THAT IT HAS TO BE HOMES STARTING AT $250,000, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD LIVE WITH.
'CAUSE I'M, I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE SUCH AN INSURANCE, BUT I THINK IT, IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO TALK ABOUT TRUST, BUT WE CAN'T SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU HAVE TO SELL THESE FOR 250,000 PLUS.
AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY.
YOU CAN'T YOU, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU CAN'T MAKE FOR THE RECORD.
'CAUSE I MEAN, AS FAR AS COST AND THINGS GO AND AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE CANNOT GUARANTEE RIGHT.
THAT HE WON'T SELL IT TO A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL AND THEY RENT THE HOUSE OR ROOMS OUT TO ANYONE ELSE.
THAT'S SOMETHING NO ONE CAN GUARANTEE.
THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE HOMEOWNER IF HE SELLS THE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE THE DECISION OF THE HOMEOWNER.
RIGHT? NOT US, NOT COUNSEL AND NOT MR. SHIELDS.
AND IT'S NOT A LAW YET THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE FAMILY LIVING IN A HOME.
AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE AROUND HERE, PERIOD.
WE HAVE MANY HOMES WHERE MORE THAN ONE FAMILY IS LIVING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND WHO'S GONNA SIT OUT THERE AND LOOK EVERY DAY, 24 HOURS A DAY TO SEE WHO'S COMING IN AND OUT OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THIS GUYS.
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, INVITE YOU GUYS TO MY HOME.
CIRCUS, WE ARE BEING RECORDED.
THIS WILL BE SEEN BY ANYONE IN THE I GOT PHONE, BUT GUYS, LISTEN, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU GUYS TO MY HOME.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS? WASHINGTON 4 36 DRUMMOND PORTHA.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU, EVEN IF YOU DON'T COME, PLEASE STOP BY, HAVE SOME COFFEE WITH ME.
LET'S GO ROLLING AND SEE WHAT MY, MY, MY, UH, MY FAMILY HERE IS TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE DO SEE, AND WE DO WATCH AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND I AS A COMMISSIONER FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.
EVERY TIME WE GET THESE AGENDAS, I DO DRIVE AND GO TO WHEREVER THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING A ZONING, GETTING A REPL.
I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE INDIVIDUALS AT THOSE PLACES, BUT I GO OUT THERE AND I LOOK THAT WAY.
I CAN SAY, OKAY, I SEE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN THEY COME, I SEE WHAT THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT.
I MEAN THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS, AND I'M NOT PROBABLY THE ONLY COMMISSIONER WHO DOES THIS WHEN WE GET AGENDAS.
BUT IT'S MY JOB AS A COMMISSIONER FOR PLANNING AND ZONING TO KNOW WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY COME TO US.
TIMMONS, I I, I PROMISE THIS IS THE LAST THING.
Y'ALL HOLDING ME UP FROM GOING TO UC DR. JACQUELINE GREEN
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TIMMONS 4 4 7 DRUMMOND STREET, PORT ARTHUR, TEXAS, VISTA VILLAGE.SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THINGS CORRECTLY, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT SAY AS FAR AS THE VALUE OF THE HOME AND ALL OF THAT.
IF HE BUILDS THESE HOMES AND THEN HE SELLS IT TO SOMEONE ELSE AND THEY DO SOMETHING WEIRD.
BUT YOU ARE TELLING US BASED ON THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE HAVE MADE ALREADY, THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND WAIT ON TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE.
SO JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD YOU DECIDE TO SELL YOUR 250 OR LESS THOUSAND DOLLARS HOME TO SOMEONE ELSE.
THEY DECIDE TO RUN OUT ROOMS AND HOPEFULLY WE ALL ARE STILL LIVING
I'M NOT TRYING TO GO ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND FIGHT THAT FIGHT THAT WE'RE FIGHTING NOW.
YOU WILL CALL, THEY'LL GO OUT, THEY'LL CHECK IT OUT IN THE DOCUMENTATION INVESTIGATION PROCESS BEGIN.
AND BECAUSE WE ARE AWARE, WE ARE, WE ARE VERY AWARE.
AND HOW LONG IS THAT PROCESS? I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON THE COURT AND, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE INSPECTORS AND THE COURTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DEPARTMENT.
OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT ME IS IT? I WAS EXPECTING NO, THAT'S GOOD.
UM, SO I, I'M JUST ASKING, WE DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES OUT THERE.
I NO, BUT WE DEFINITELY DO NOT.
HOWEVER, WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TWO AT THIS PRO AT THIS POINT.
THE LESSER THREE WE LOVE WHERE STATE JUST LIKE IT'S I'M SURE.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE CAN WELL I AM TALKING ABOUT NOT DIS ZONING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WAY IT IS.
YOU KNOW, LIVING THERE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, NO WE DO NOT WANT IT TO REMAIN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES BECAUSE WE ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT THAT HEADACHE OUT THERE.
WELL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES THEY CALL IT.
WE GOTTA USE THEIR, WE GOTTA USE THEIR TERMS. UM, WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND WE WOULD HOPE AND PRAY THAT IT DOESN'T COME TO, YOU KNOW WHAT AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I NEED TO ASK A QUESTION TO MR. SHIELDS, UM, OR EVEN TO THE GROUP AND MAYBE MR. ARIES OR MR. BADONE.
HAS THIS ORGANIZATION, INVESTOR VILLAGE COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING OR THE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY? WHAT? OH NO, THEY DIDN'T COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING.
YOU CAME BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE VARIANCES TO WITH UM, LANGSTON ADAMS AND THE LAWYERS.
WELL WE HAVE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS THAT SERVE DIFFERENT PURPOSES.
AND BUT THEY DID HOWEVER GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE UM, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, JUST LIKE THIS, THEY WILL SEE, CITY COUNCIL WILL SEE THIS CASE.
SO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
SO NO, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN BEFORE PNZ.
IT WAS ZBA AND THEY HAVE BEEN BEFORE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WHAT I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND, NO MATTER HOW WE VOTE, THIS WILL GO UP TO COUNCIL.
THEY WILL BE THE FINAL DECISION MAKER.
SO IF WE SAY YAY AND THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY NO, NOTHING ANY OF US CAN DO.
NORMALLY IT'S A YEAR'S PROCESS.
IF YOU FAIL IN ONE AREA, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU GUYS CAME TO P AND Z.
I KNOW ZBA WILL DO LIKE, UH, WELL ZBA WAS A VARIANCE, RIGHT.
THEY, THEY DO GIVE VARIANCES 'CAUSE I HAD A VARIANCE ON MY PROPERTY.
SO YEAH, THIS ONE IS CHANGING THE ZONING AND IT LOOKS AND SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOMES.
YOU DON'T WANNA LEAVE IT AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA MAKE A BAD DECISION AND THEN IT GETS REVERSED IN COUNCIL 'CAUSE THEY WILL DO IT.
THEY WILL CHANGE IT AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE.
YOU GUYS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO ARE Y'ALL STILL, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND IT'S ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S NOT FOR OR AGAINST.
THERE'S A PIECE OF, COULD YOU, OH, SORRY.
I GREW UP WITH DRIVE SO I'M STILL TRYING TO LEARN STREET.
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UM, THEY PROMISED IT WAS CHANGING AND I'M LIKE REALLY? MY WHOLE LIFE.UM, WHEN THIS CHANGE IS MADE, DOES IT ONLY AFFECT THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS OF THE PROPERTY UP THERE OR DOES IT AFFECT IT DOES.
SO THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY BEHIND MY HOUSE THAT I AM PLANNING TO BUY.
IT IS ALSO ZONED RESIDENTIAL SERVICES.
SO IF Y'ALL DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY? NO, JUST THE PROPERTY HE OWNS.
SO, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUY THAT PROPERTY BEHIND YOUR HOUSE.
YEAH, I PLANTED IT
BUT EITHER WAY THE WIND BLOWS.
IF WE WANT THAT REZONED, THAT'S ANOTHER PROCESS NOT TO BE ADDRESSED TOO.
IT WOULD BE A REPLANT IF YOU BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY BEHIND YOUR HOME.
THEN WE WOULD REPL THAT TO INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR PROPERTY.
UNLESS YOU PLANNING ON SELLING THAT LAND AND BUILDING SOMETHING ON IT.
ALRIGHT, GOOD THEN WHAT?
SO THE UM, PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO THE ITEMS FOR DECISION? MS. ARIAS, YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO SIR.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FIRST ITEM.
THERE'S TWO A RR 24 DASH 13 REPL.
I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE REPLAY.
ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ISSUES? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THE NEXT ITEM Z 24 DASH ZERO FIVE, ZONE CHANGE REQUESTED ITEM.
IF YOU HAVE A MOTION I MOVE, I'LL SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS BEYOND THAT? YES SIR.
UH, I MADE THE MOTION WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NEIGHBORS DO NOT WANT THE PROPERTY TO REMAIN AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES THAT I'M HEARING.
THE NEIGHBORS SAY THAT THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS WOULD BE TO BUILD HOMES INSTEAD OF DUPLEXES OR BUSINESSES.
AND MR. SHIELDS, I WOULD HOPE IF I CAN SAY THIS, THAT THERE WOULD BE A TRUST BETWEEN YOUR COMPANY AND THESE NEIGHBORS SO THAT THEY WON'T HAVE ANY FEARS IN THE FUTURE OF WHAT THAT, THAT PROPERTY WOULD BECOME.
AND THAT'S WHY I AM MAKING THAT MOTION.
BUT KEEPING IN MIND THAT IT IS HIS PROPERTY AND WE CAN'T REALLY TELL HIM WHAT TO DO WITH, WELL HE CAN BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BUT WE CAN'T TELL HIM ABOUT THE PRICE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M ONLY ASKING FOR TRUST AND IT'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE WRITTEN DOWN.
IT'S NOT A LAW, BUT I'M THINKING OF WHAT'S CONSIDERED MAYBE RIGHTEOUS, RIGHT? YES SIR.
AND I CONCUR WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID SIR.
ALRIGHT THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ALL IN FAVOR AND SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ANY OTHER, ANY NEW BUSINESS OR COMMENTS, UH, MS. S UH, THAT WE'VE NOT ADDRESSED YET? DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
UHHUH? NO, THIS THE FIRST OF A MONTH AND EVERY TIME WE GET A FIRST A MONTH COMMISSION MEETING, WE GET A SECOND ONE IN THE SAME MONTH.
THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR COMING.
I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN REALLY GET ALONG.
HAVE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT?
WELL YEAH, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PZ SCHEDULE FOR THIS MONTH.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S IT.
WHAT'S BUSY SCHEDULE? IT'S ONLY TWO ITEMS. TWO REPL, I PROMISE.
WHAT IS IT? UM, FOR THE NEXT MEETING, HAVEN MEETING.
WHAT IS THAT? IT'S TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
I'LL KEEP Y'ALL POSTED FOR SURE.
HE SAID SAID HE CANNOT BE HERE ON THE 17TH.
SO YOU NEED TO FIND ANOTHER DATE THAT LEAVES THREE.
IF ZUMA SHOWS UP, WE HAVE THREE.
I'LL BE OUTTA TOWN, BUT IF WE HAVE TO RESCHEDULE, NO PROBLEM.
HOW YOU DOING? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.